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links in links from nonexistent template

There are 60 User talk pages with links in links error generated by a nonexistent template in Wikidata weekly summary #643. I have started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wikidata#Wikidata weekly summary #643. —Anomalocaris (talk) 20:05, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hold -- per Jonesey95's reply at the discussion you've linked. Jonesy95 and I discussed it a bit earlier, and we want them to fix it since they broke it. I fixed a similar link issue on the #641 mailer 2 weeks ago, and I would like it not to become a regular thing. Zinnober9 (talk) 21:54, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This issue has been addressed today is seems. Not sure how/who, but the result's clean and logical. Nice. Zinnober9 (talk) 22:36, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with lintHint?

lintHint is failing with an error seconds after clicking the button, even on very short pages. It started yesterday. Is anyone else experiencing this? —Bruce1ee ^talk 09:10, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bruce1ee, I am too. It seems to be an error on Parsoid's end. — Qwerfjkl talk 12:53, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, that helps. —Bruce1ee ^talk 13:21, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Working fine for me when used on Wikivoyage. Not here though. Zinnober9 (talk) 15:02, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I should clarify that I was working with talk pages, so wasn't looking at other types of pages where these templates are more likely. Any update on this issue getting fixed? Zinnober9 (talk) 15:43, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bruce1ee Yes, been getting HTTP 500 errors since yesterday as well. Special:ExpandTemplates works OK, though. Gamapamani (talk) 11:04, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I wonder why it still works in ExpandTemplates. —Bruce1ee ^talk 12:21, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Probably because it's not sending the source wikitext for analysis, but the expanded result.

I've experimented a bit, and this error seems to happen when you have any of the following on the page:

{{SHORTDESC}}, which is used by {{Short description}}
{{DEFAULTSORT}}
{{Italic title}} or its Lua module, used by {{Infobox}} and it's derivatives (not all infoboxes)

There are probably more, but most wikitext appears to work OK when testing from the preview. Gamapamani (talk) 17:13, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

lintHint appears to be working again. —Bruce1ee ^talk 23:13, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, Linthint's all good again. Too bad all HTML tags are no longer displaying in green for me when Syntax Highlighter is on. Started yesterday on WikiVoyage, today here. They are in a green in my browser's light mode, but in dark, they are indistinguishable from plaintext. Argh. Zinnober9 (talk) 23:43, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zinnober9, see Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Tech News: 2024-37 — Qwerfjkl talk 14:45, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:User sandbox

{{User sandbox}} was recently modified to emit tables, which means that pages with this template on a line that begins with a colon (:), pound (#) or asterisk (*) will generate multiline table in list lint errors. I did a regex search to find the "easy" ones, those where the colon, pound or asterisk immediately precedes the template, with up to one space between. There are many harder ones to find, but the linter will find them over time; the workaround is to insert a newline before {{User sandbox}}. As far as I know, there is no regex search for an unlimited number of characters not including a newline. What I'd really like to search for is the string

asterisk as first character on page, or immediately following a newline

an unlimited number of characters not including newline

{{User sandbox}}

If there is a way to do this search, I'd like to know. —Anomalocaris (talk) 06:43, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The actual solution, revert the change. Ask the person requesting the change to seek a bot to help them implement it, when they do, they can add it back. There is absolutely no reason to change something that breaks something else and leave it to other people to fix. Gonnym (talk) 08:08, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The template was changed following a request ~~and discussion~~. The template is transcluded on over 300,000 pages, and the overwhelming majority of them do not have the template on a line beginning with a colon, pound, or asterisk. It's fine to clean up the few that use what should be regarded as careless markup. —Anomalocaris (talk) 09:18, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see no discussions in the last 7 months on that page. I see only requests. Again, anyone implementing a request needs to consider the follow up cleanup. If you aren't going to clean up the mess you made, you shouldn't implement changes. Gonnym (talk) 10:14, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have objected to the navbox portion of the change on the template's talk page, as it is disruptive, among other problems. Any of you could do that as well, if you independently decide to do so. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:30, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Right, there was no discussion. I crossed it out. —Anomalocaris (talk) 09:29, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bot assistance needed

@WOSlinker and @Qwerfjkl, can your bots help with clearing some issues from Wikipedia:Linter/Signature submissions? Gonnym (talk) 16:28, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gonnym, any in particular? It would take a while to go through one by one and come up with replacement code for all of them. — Qwerfjkl talk 16:28, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not in the camp that it's all lint errors in one go, or nothing at all. That has proven it can't be done. To be honest, any on that page that you can will be of help. If you can get those with the higher error count, even better (I've made the table sortable so it's easier to see). Gonnym (talk) 18:27, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would focus on any patterns that are straightforward, like this misnested tag sequence. They mean a foolproof regular expression. If you try to get fancy, there is always a risk of hitting false positives. Keeping the bot edits focused on the "misnested tag" table for now would be a way to reduce some of the higher-priority errors. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:57, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jonesey95, Gonnym, for something like signatures, where the same text is used a lot, a simple find-and-replace plaintext (without regex) would probably be easier. If someone could make a list of find & replace (& search query) that would be really helpful, otherwise I'll see if I have time to look at this over the weekend. — Qwerfjkl talk 16:21, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The "Very Evil" bogus images and misnested User:Eyesnore would both be foolproof X to Y quickies. I'd suspect the "Wikicurious for Latin Music" mass message could be as well. Could all the various Newsletters be tackled with (verbose) X to Y replacements? Zinnober9 (talk) 17:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I started a "Replacement" column in the misnested tag table. I will probably have time to populate some of it in the next day or two. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:04, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My bot is not an automated bot and is really just javascript assisted editing, so was fine for me when going through some of the high priority issues that caused display problems. It is not really suitable for the bulk editing that MalnadachBot used to do. -- WOSlinker (talk) 17:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WOSlinker, could it be adapted for w:de:Benutzer:Schnark/js/bandersnatch (a script for JS mass editing)? — Qwerfjkl talk 17:54, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's just scripts such as User:WOSlinkerBot/linttask21.js which is mainly full of regex replaces. -- WOSlinker (talk) 19:06, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Qwerfjkl, I have added a bunch of find/replace combinations to Wikipedia:Linter/Signature submissions#Misnested tag. Fixing them will fix many thousands of Linter errors. Other editors are welcome to add more find/replace combinations to that table and to other tables on that page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:47, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jonesey95, I think I should be able to do these tomorrow. — Qwerfjkl talk 19:51, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BRFA filed. — Qwerfjkl talk 16:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone know anything about the status of these invalid signatures? Possibilities include (1) user has fixed the signature; (2) status unknown because the user hasn't edited for a long time, or since user was asked to fix signature (3) user active, request made on the user's talk page to fix the signature but user hasn't complied; (4) user active and hasn't been asked to fix the signature. Are there any signatures in category 4? How about category 3? Would it make sense to add another column to the tables to show this status, or an improved version of this status? –Anomalocaris (talk) 01:16, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What signatures are you talking about? If you are talking about editors' signatures that have Linter errors in them, there should not be any new ones being created, AFAIK. There were a couple of software changes implemented in early 2024 that were intended to prevent editors from saving signatures with Linter errors in them. See T355462 and its related tasks. If you are seeing recently posted signatures with Linter errors, please post example diffs in a new section on this page. I can't recall seeing active editors posting with Linter-error-laden signatures in a long time. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:59, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Right. Back in October 2017, I began my effort to notify users with linty signatures and ask them to change to non-linty signatures. I contacted several hundred users. Most complied. Some ignored. A very small number were nasty. I continued to contact linty signature owners as I discovered their linty signatures. Again, most complied. Gradually I forgot about the project. When I came to this discussion and clicked the link to Wikipedia:Linter/Signature submissions, I wondered if any of these are still active. I'm glad to hear that linty signature postings haven't been seen in a long time. —Anomalocaris (talk) 05:19, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No user should have an active signature that is causing lint errors. The ones on the list are just old on on pages that need to be fixed. Gonnym (talk) 08:18, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions

Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions is maintained by a bot that causes lint errors. Discussion at Wikipedia talk:Requested moves#Current Discussions bot needs to do better than copy, wrap, paste. —Anomalocaris (talk) 00:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

3,000 errors fixed with one edit, and up to 300,000 errors await a regex bot run

Opportunities are still out there for big, easy fixes! First, a minor celebration: I just fixed 3,000 errors on about 200 pages with a single template edit. That's 0.1% of all remaining errors with one edit. Hooray!

An opportunity: I have been manually fixing missing div tags at the end of welcome messages on User talk pages for a while, and it occurred to me today to try to figure out a regex pattern and estimate how many pages are affected. At least two welcome templates were missing closing div tags until 2018, and it appears that those templates were substed on about 300,000 User talk pages. A bot that uses regular expressions may be able to fix 300,000 missing end tag errors in a single pass. That's 10% of all remaining errors! Do a search for "WelcomeMenu" at Wikipedia:Linter/Signature submissions for more details. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:07, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New linter category

In case you missed it, there's a new linter category at Special:LintErrors/duplicate-ids. (This link may time out, so here's the mainspace only one: [1].) Get them while they're hot! Izno (talk) 20:46, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cite-generated IDs should probably be discussed at Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 96#New linter category for duplicate IDs if anywhere. Izno (talk) 21:35, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed them from the usual reports until smarter nerds than I get them sorted out a bit. If they get down below a million instances, and they are things we can and/or should fix with our normal de-linting processes, we might consider including them. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:02, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any way to adjust my Linthint settings to ignore this type? I don't wish to mess with these and don't want to be seeing these with this tool. Zinnober9 (talk) 17:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe many of these errors are bogus. This minimal snip of markup generates this lint error: {{tq|A}} Foo {{tq|B}} —Anomalocaris (talk) 10:00, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've also seen this. A single {{tq}} on a page doesn't generate a duplicate id error, but two or more {{tq}}s generates duplicate id errors on the second and subsequent {{tq}}. What's odd about this is that expanding {{tq}} in Special:ExpandTemplates shows that the template has no id attributes. —Bruce1ee ^talk 10:41, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that as well. When I put that code in my sandbox and save it, I do not get duplicate id errors, and expanding {{tq}} in Special:ExpandTemplates shows me no use of |id=. It's an odd one. Let's see if the problem happens on this page: A Foo B. Answer: No, not for me. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:48, 30 September 2024 (UTC) – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:48, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to only report duplicate id errors for {{tq}} when the page is in edit mode. If you put this page in edit mode, Jonesey95's addition of {{tq|A}} Foo {{tq|B}} above gives a duplicate id error. —Bruce1ee ^talk 13:02, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That may be a problem with the LintHint script then. I submitted a message to the LintHint talk page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:00, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Signpost Fostered Content

If anyone is wondering, the sudden explosion of 22k fostered table errors is due to Template:S-s being nominated for deletion. In the nomination, there's talk of these being a fostered issue with the intended redirect (to Template:Signpost/item) so I'm wondering if either that template could adjusted to accommodate these cases, or if not, these pages could be addressed by a bot? @Jonesey95 @Qwerfjkl Do either of you know if this is botable if the template fix isn't feasible? And for a little humor, I'm feeling a bit like Bob Parr in the Incredibles interview after I cleared up the fostered issues earlier this year. :) Zinnober9 (talk) 22:36, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a minor disaster. I have put the TFD notice in noinclude tags for now. Pinging HouseBlaster, who might be able to link to the discussion that motivated them to TFD this template. What is the plan or consensus for replacing it? Was this brought up at Template talk:S-s or Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/Technical recently? I don't see anything. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:22, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There was no discussion beforehand; the TFD is the discussion. My idea is to gain consensus at the TFD to use a bot to put a pipe before the uses of the template (which eliminates the fostered content issue), before redirecting {{s-s}} to {{signpost/item}}. See example edit, which adds a pipe before the <!-- markup and thus is lint-free. We don't need two templates which do the same thing, so I nominated {{s-s}} for deletion.

I am cleaning up three-letter templates, most of which should be renamed per WP:TPN. However, I am also TFDing the obsolete/redundant/useless ones (such as {{s-s}}). Best, House Blaster (talk • he/they) 23:54, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Sorry for overstating the number of affected pages in my edit summary; it looks like about 2,800 is the right number, not 20,000 (that's the number of Linter errors caused by the TFD tag, since there are apparently an average of 9 transclusions per page, or something). – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:11, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eh, as long as it is fixed :) House Blaster (talk • he/they) 00:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Future problems detected

I've had a few months off from linting fixes, but when I fixed a missing close italics tag on William Haygarth and clicked on "lintHint" I received a message saying "Future problems detected". I've not seen this before, is it new? What should I be looking to fix - I couldn't see any guidance. LicenceToCrenellate (talk) 17:23, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's likely "Duplicate IDs", a new linter category. LintHint normally reports them as "Duplicate IDs", but occasionally they show up as "Future problems detected". When I click lintHint on William Haygarth, it reports three "Duplicate IDs". —Bruce1ee ^talk 23:24, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I'm now seeing the duplicate IDs message. LicenceToCrenellate (talk) 08:28, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Linter/reports/Protected pages by Lint Errors

Now that we have a bot running, I think temporarily removing the protection from the pages Wikipedia:Linter/reports/Protected pages by Lint Errors will enable the list of be dramatically reduced. Gonnym (talk) 14:44, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Probably, but I could also see the bot being brought up to access their level as well. I know I've greatly dwindled that list manually with the help of Primefac, especially when I was eliminating the Tidy Fonts, but also in days since when I did some targeted request sets for dropping that list down to 21 or fewer. I hadn't found many protected pages in my more recent errortype eliminations, so hadn't felt the urge to target these pages since my previous set in July. I can hop back onto clearing those pages up. And I don't know about "temporarily removing protection", as temporarily lowering has been very effective and doesn't allow IP/low level vandals any access to these pages. Zinnober9 (talk) 17:46, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just 6 of the 54 pages with 21 errors have something other than obsolete tags, and Qwerfjkl (bot) is not fixing those errors without a different error type present at this point. Legobot might be able to fix a few of these pages, but IIRC, it limits its actions to pages on which it can fix every error, which may be unlikely for those pages. With such a low hit rate, I think it might make sense to focus energy elsewhere. That report contains 717 pages with 5,010 counted errors, and we still have over 3,000,000 counted errors left to fix. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:08, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We could wait, for example, until the bot operator returns to us with a list of pages that could not be edited by the bot because of protection, or we have fixed all of the unprotected pages with high-priority "HTML5-incompatible misnesting" errors, then request lower protection for that set of pages. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:06, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There were only I handful I saw from the logs, fewer than ten of 15-20 thousand. Qwerfjkl talk 20:21, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Temporary Intentional Case of Bogus Images, leave be

Just a heads up that the four Bogus Image Option issues on User:Thryduulf/sandbox right now are intentional, and part of the discussion Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Warn on inline image usage. Please ignore these four per discussion with user, and contribute to the Pump discussion if you have any input. Thanks. Zinnober9 (talk) 20:10, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's "very evil" day!

800+ pages are showing a bogus image options error that shows only on 31 October.

The fix is to change the middle "px" to "x". Let's go, team! – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:06, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was just coming to mention that this had just gone live and was also on the Wikipedia:Linter/Signature submissions page. While I had hoped they'd be nabbed by bot before today, they won't lasting too long. Zinnober9 (talk) 00:29, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

104 remain, all one per page. I'm tapping out for the evening, will hit any that remain (if any) when I'm free again later tonight. Great work everyone!! Zinnober9 (talk) 22:11, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All done, with 25 minutes before Halloween is over! Nice work, everyone. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:35, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nearly there (3 million)!

Depending on the rate of edits for ~~Qwerfjkl(bot) Task 31~~ all our delinting efforts, we'll be under 3 million Lint errors in the next day or few. 3,008,823 errors from previous Firefly update. Let's go! Zinnober9 (talk) 05:27, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The bot hasn't been editing for a couple of weeks, probably because I haven't provided another batch of find-and-replace strings for its operator. Instead of doing that useful task, I've been plugging away at easy edits on AFD pages, which are each transcluded at least once, which means that every batch of 100 edits with five or so fixes in each edit has netted at least 1,000 fewer Linter errors on the Firefly page. We are getting close to a nice milestone. I've also been slowly working on the high-priority misnesting errors, which are one-by-one edits that are typically not in any sort of pattern. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:31, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I hadn't looked at the bot's recent contributions, and had just been seeing that the total had been steadily dropping by a decent rate daily and had incorrectly assumed. Nonetheless, still very impressive and exciting. I've been hitting some of the misnested ones too, but since they widely vary in execution, it's been harder to settle into nice edit session focused on those. Zinnober9 (talk) 06:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about that, I'm a bit too busy to do much right now. I'll try to get another batch running sometime soon. — Qwerfjkl talk 11:15, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We made it under 3 million. Whew! I need a break. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:49, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good job! Gonnym (talk) 08:31, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]