Wikipedia talk:Help desk

I opened a discussion about the Help desk header template

I'm pretty sure there's some kind of neutral discussion notice template I am supposed to subst here, but I couldn't find it so here's a link instead: Wikipedia talk:Help desk/Header § Reformattings. Yall may be interested in engaging, which is vacuously true but my attempt at an invitation. Folly Mox (talk) 17:40, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Minor niggle

At the bottom of the Help Desk, there are two links both purporting to go to the top of the page. Neither does, though they go most of the way. If it were just one such link, I wouldn't complain; but while there are two, couldn't at least one of them do what it claims? Maproom (talk) 17:18, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

If you are talking about the "To top of page" and the "navigation up/down arrows" they both work just fine for me on Chrome. I guess technically they put "Wikipedia Helpdesk" at they very top of my screen, neglecting the navigation tabs, is that what you're referring to? TiggerJay (talk) 01:02, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that's what I'm referring to. As I wrote, they don't go to the top of the page. Maproom (talk) 08:21, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

@Maproom - it looks like this is implemented as part of a template, and if you think the functionality of where the "up" arrow takes you, consider bringing it up on at Template talk:Skip to top and bottom. TiggerJay (talk) 16:04, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 November 2024

Please remove one level of = from the ===heading=== and add the following question:

Edit, revert, ghost—How to proceed?

I'm in a somewhat frustrating situation. On 3 November, Szelma W (talk · contribs) reverted (Special:Diff/1255250737) an edit of mine (Special:Diff/1255197206). On 5 November, I created Talk:List of Mersenne primes and perfect numbers#Recent reversion - is anything salvageable? to discuss the matter, as the revert's edit summary "It was better" didn't really give me a lot to go on.

And there, the discussion has stalled, as @Szelma W hasn't been on WP since 4 November. It appears they tend to contribute in small bursts about once a week (although I haven't noticed an obvious day-of-the-week pattern) and it's been two weeks with no edit activity. It's not like they're specifically ignoring me, they just haven't been around in a while. So there's no bad faith, but it's still frustrating for me as the memory of the various number theory pages I was working on at the time fades.

Does anyone have any suggestion as to how to proceed? My only real complaint is the lack of specificity in the original revert (I try to be a lot more encouraging when reverting a good-faith edit), but that wouldn't be a problem if there were subsequent discussion. 97.102.205.224 (talk) 15:25, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

 Done -- John of Reading (talk) 15:59, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Is this the correct way to add information?

can you help me?

"The head office is located in Zurich, with branch operations in Kenya and the United Arab Emirates, and subsidiaries in Canada, Hong Kong SAR, Pakistan, South Africa, and the United Kingdom. The bank also has representative offices in Bangladesh, China, Hong Kong SAR, Pakistan, and Türkiye. As of 31 December 2023, the bank employed a total of 7,629 people [5] in 559 offices." Is this correct way to add this information, I wrote it being quite neutral, and gave the necesery reference, if not what could I do to alternatively? Ateeb Ali Syed (talk) 04:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

@Ateeb Ali Syed: Since you are autoconfirmed, please ask this at the proper page for the help desk. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:51, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Ateeb Ali Syed (talk) 06:43, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 December 2024

Moved to help desk -- John of Reading (talk) 07:32, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

I have corrected a page that was vandalised. The vandal editor has responded immediately saying they will revert the entry to their vandalised version of it on the basis it was not sourced properly, which it was, as the extensive references attest - how to get out this vicious circle? Ozrocka (talk) 21:15, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 00:01, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Whose quick survey?

If Wikipedia wants me to complete a quick survey, why am I then redirected to a Google website? Please either fix this or stop following me with popups. 93.139.219.62 (talk) 16:03, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure to what you are specifically referring to, but if you don't wish to take the survey, then don't. You can avoid seeing popups by creating an account and suppressing them in the account preferences. 331dot (talk) 16:17, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

I don't understand why is Google involved in this. I would like to take a survey to improve Wikipedia but I'm degoogled for a reason. I can answer the questions here or anywhere on Wikipedia. My only question is: Why is Wikipedia redirecting me to a predatory data harvesting company? 93.139.219.62 (talk) 16:28, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

You would need to ask the Foundation as to why they do what they do; we volunteers have nothing to do with the popups or surveys. 331dot (talk) 16:43, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2024

I request permission to ask a question; no context. Informationappeared (talk) 03:38, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

@Informationappeared: If the help desk itself is still protected, please write your question here, on the talk page, and someone will copy it to the help desk to be answered. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:50, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2024

Moved comment to main project page. Myrealnamm (💬Let's talk · 📜My work) 00:50, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 December 2024

It says edits aren't' to ask for help, and directs me to the Help Desk, but this *is* the Help Desk, and I can't use it because I'm not an established user. That sucks Heapsofworms (talk) 17:27, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 17:30, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Blame it on spammers. 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon 17:35, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

@Heapsofworms: If you have a question for the help desk, ask it here and someone will move it to the help desk for you. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 December 2024

I would like to request assistance with uploading the company logo for the draft article Draft:Apipet.

• • Details of the file**:

- **File name**: Apipet_logo.png - **Purpose**: To use the logo in the infobox of the article draft for identification purposes. - **Source**: Official website of the company, [1](https://www.apipet.eu). - **Owner**: Hedera d.o.o., the parent company of the Apipet brand. - **Licensing**: I am requesting this under "non-free content" guidelines as the logo is copyrighted and used strictly for encyclopedic purposes.

• • Fair use rationale**:

- The image is used for **identification purposes only** within the article about the subject (Apipet brand). - The file is of **low resolution** and will not harm the commercial use of the logo. - There are no free equivalents of the logo available. - It is a necessary visual element for readers to identify the brand.

Please upload the file and include it in the infobox using the filename: `Apipet_logo.png`.

Thank you! UnidigitalHR (talk) 18:37, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: This is the page for requesting changes to the help desk ITSELF, not for requesting help. Try WP:HD. PianoDan (talk) 19:22, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

@PianoDan: I have reset the flag. As the helpdesk is semi protected new users like UnidigitalHR have to use the talk page. TSventon (talk) 19:44, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Got it, thanks for the clarification. PianoDan (talk) 22:26, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

 Already done by TSventon as noted. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:07, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2024

ChatGPT screed

Subject: Request for Immediate Removal of Blasphemous Images from the "Kaaba" Wikipedia Page Dear Wikipedia Team, I hope this message finds you well. My name is [Your Name], and I am writing as a member of the Muslim community deeply concerned about the presence of pictorial depictions of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his blessed companions on the Wikipedia page titled "Kaaba" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaaba). These images, located under the 'History' tab, are highly offensive and blasphemous to Muslims around the world, as any visual representation of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is strictly prohibited in Islam. The specific images in question are: 1. "Muhammad at the Ka'ba" from the Siyer-i Nebi, showing Muhammad with a veiled face, c. 1595. 2. A miniature from 1307 CE depicting Muhammad fixing the black stone into the Kaaba. These images not only disrespect our beliefs but also deeply hurt the sentiments of millions in the Muslim community, including myself. The existence of these images on a public platform like Wikipedia fosters misunderstanding and disrespects our faith, which is rooted in profound reverence for our beloved Last Prophet (Peace be Upon Him). We kindly request that these images be removed from the Wikipedia page immediately, without any delay or further explanation. We understand that Wikipedia requires supporting evidence for high-profile articles. In this case, the prohibition of visual depictions of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is well-documented in Islamic teachings and widely recognized by scholars and religious authorities. Numerous fatwas based on Qur'anic scripture and hadith traditions from all schools of thought strictly prohibit drawing images of the last Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his blessed companions, deeming such acts as blasphemy. This prohibition is rooted in Islamic teachings that emphasize the importance of avoiding idolatry and misrepresentation. Scholars unanimously agree that there is no permissibility whatsoever for visual representations of the Last Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) or his blessed companions, as such depictions are considered blasphemous and fundamentally incompatible with Islamic teachings. Furthermore, surveys indicate that a significant portion of Muslims find such depictions offensive. The Journal of Islamic Thought and Civilization highlights that Muslims believe visual depictions of all prophets should be prohibited, particularly those of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), as they hurt their emotions and go against their faith (Journal of Islamic Thought and Civilization). We urge you to consider the sensitivity of this matter and its impact on millions of Muslims worldwide. Addressing Wikipedia's FAQ: 1.Wikipedia is not censored: While Wikipedia aims to provide a neutral point of view, it is essential to consider how these images offend deeply held beliefs. The presence of such content does not foster an inclusive environment for all users. 2.Historical accuracy: The images in question are historically inaccurate, as acknowledged by Wikipedia. The artists who created these works lived centuries after Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and could not have seen him. Using inaccurate images perpetuates misconceptions rather than providing educational value. 3.Offense to Muslims: Wikipedia recognizes that depictions of Muhammad are offensive to many Muslims. This offense affects millions globally and cannot be dismissed as a minor issue. Suggesting that users change their settings to hide images is not a viable solution; such representations on a public platform like Wikipedia perpetuate disrespect and harm. 4.Preventing idolatry: The traditional prohibition against images of prophets serves to prevent idolatry—a principle that should be respected in any educational context. The presence of these images on Wikipedia violates this fundamental religious principle. 5.Comparison to other figures: While Wikipedia may use images of historical figures like Jesus, it is crucial to note that any depiction of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be Upon Him) is universally forbidden in Islam. This distinction makes comparisons inadequate and unjustifiable. 6.Separate link for images: Creating a separate link for these images is also not an acceptable solution. The core issue remains that any depiction of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be Upon Him) is considered blasphemous in Islam, and there is no allowance for such visual representations under any circumstances. The existence of these images on a public platform like Wikipedia is inherently offensive and harmful. We acknowledge the FAQ section on the Talk:Muhammad page but believe that this request warrants special consideration due to its unique nature. The presence of these images does not contribute to the educational value of the article but rather perpetuates significant cultural and religious offense. Examples of Content Removal from Wikipedia 1.John Seigenthaler Wikipedia Hoax (2005): A false and defamatory article about journalist John Seigenthaler was posted on Wikipedia and removed after being identified. This instance illustrates Wikipedia's commitment to maintaining content integrity by removing material that is harmful or misleading. 2.Essjay Controversy (2007): Contributions from a prominent Wikipedia editor who falsified his credentials were scrutinized and subsequently removed, demonstrating that Wikipedia actively removes content undermining its reliability. 3.Wiki-PR Scandal (2012): Manipulated content created by a company using sockpuppet accounts was removed, showcasing Wikipedia's efforts to prevent abuse of its platform. 4.Orangemoody Investigation (2015): Fraudulent content posted by a group of blackmailers using sockpuppet accounts was removed, highlighting Wikipedia's proactive stance against harmful content. Relevant Policies Wikipedia's Policy on Images: According to your guidelines, "images that would bring the project into disrepute... may be removed by any user." The continued presence of these offensive images directly contradicts this policy as they clearly offend a significant portion of users. Wikipedia's Policy on Offensive Material: 1.According to Wikipedia: Offensive material, while Wikipedia aims to include material that may offend, it explicitly states that "offensive words and offensive images should not be included unless they are treated in an encyclopedic manner." The inclusion of these blasphemous images does not meet this criterion as they serve no educational purpose but rather cause harm. 2.Neutral Point of View: As outlined in Wikipedia's Guide to Deletion, all content must adhere to a neutral point of view (NPOV). The presence of these offensive images violates this policy by failing to respect a significant portion of your readership who find such content unacceptable. 3.Speedy Deletion Policy: This policy states that pages can be deleted without discussion if they meet criteria for speedy deletion due to being obviously inappropriate for Wikipedia (Wikipedia:Deletion policy). Given their blasphemous nature, these images qualify for immediate removal under this guideline. 4.Content Integrity Maintenance: Content that undermines Wikipedia's reliability or trustworthiness can be removed proactively by editors or administrators (Wikipedia:Content Integrity). Allowing these offensive images undermines your credibility as an encyclopedia committed to accuracy and respect. 5.Adherence to Neutrality: Wikipedia has a strong stance against Holocaust denial and antisemitism, clearly reflected in the Holocaust denial page, which debunks false claims and provides historical evidence. This commitment to neutrality and respect for deeply held beliefs should be extended to the depiction of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as well. Handling of Other Sensitive Topics: 1.Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: Wikipedia handles content related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict with sensitivity and neutrality, ensuring a balanced representation of different perspectives. 2.Abortion: Wikipedia presents diverse viewpoints on abortion respectfully, acknowledging the sensitivity of the topic. 3.Censorship and Internet Freedom: Wikipedia respects local laws and cultural sensitivities, demonstrating its commitment to respecting different cultural and religious practices. In light of these considerations and your own policies, I urge you to take immediate action to remove these offensive images from the "Kaaba" page and review your guidelines regarding sensitive religious content moving forward.

Thank you for your understanding and swift action on this matter.

Sincerely, Yasha Ullah Afghan Jeelanshah (talk) 07:21, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

You might place this request at Talk:Kaaba instead. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 07:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the page Wikipedia:Help desk. Please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned. — Czello ^(music) 07:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)