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Good article reassessment for Armenian Revolutionary Federation

Armenian Revolutionary Federation has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 19:02, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Copy edit drive question

Hi all, I'm not an official part of the Guild but I've attempted to participate in this month's copy editing drive. I tried to take on a meaty article in the requests section, Critical Role Productions. I've copy edited most of it but it's extremely heavy on unnecessarily long quotes from sources; is this my responsibility to fix, or should I leave quotes alone? To make this more natural would make the overall task significantly harder and basically be rewriting most of the article. Any assistance is greatly appreciated. StewdioMACK (talk) 11:21, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Welcome, and thanks for your help. You don't have to be a GOCE member to participate in the drives and blitzes, but copyediting GA and FA candidates usually calls for a bit of experience. The request should be tagged as {{Working}} on the requests page to notify the requester and other potential copyeditors. I don't know what you mean by fixing quotes, since they ordinarily shouldn't be copyedited except for adding {{sic}} or similar minor fixes. FWIW, I look at an article first before deciding on a copyedit; it helps the rest of us to finish what's started. Have fun and all the best, Miniapolis 14:03, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

@StewdioMACK: I'm going to mention a bit here if you do want to go further than a copyedit and rewrite some of the material. Heavy use of "unnecessarily long quotes" is not compatible with encyclopedic tone and can even run afoul of fair use. (In general, anything "unnecessary" should probably be trimmed.) You can paraphrase or partially paraphrase, or make a tighter summary of the material being quoted. In the last paragraph of Critical Role Productions § Industry expansion (2022–present), for example, there are three quotations which are all in agreement and building to the same point; they become repetitive, and the paragraph could probably be summarized in two sentences without any quotations. Since the article is intended for GAN, I'd at least mention the quotation issue to the requester. – Reidgreg (talk) 14:31, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments, Reidgreg. I've gone ahead and rewritten a lot of sections to reduce quote-farming, and I've added a "promotional tone" template to the top of the article. Haven't published my edit yet but will when I'm done with the copy edit. StewdioMACK (talk) 14:45, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Help the Wikimedia Foundation better understand how on-wiki collaborations work

The Campaigns team at the Wikimedia Foundation is exploring how to expand it's work on campaigns to support other kinds of collaboration. We are interested in learning from diverse editors that have experience joining and working on WikiProjects, Campaigns, and other kinds of on-wiki collaboration. We need your help:

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Whatever input you bring to the two spaces will help us make better decisions about next steps beyond the current tools we support. Astinson (WMF) (talk) 19:00, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Gordon Campbell#Requested move 18 September 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Gordon Campbell#Requested move 18 September 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 12:25, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

I have replied at the talk page. I don't see anything for the GOCE to do there. Baffle☿gab 16:40, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

A discussion of interest?

GOCE was mentioned in it: Wikipedia_talk:Don't_use_Grammarly#Another_note. TL;DR Do we need a proper guide about the use of Grammarly on Wikipedia? Right now WP:GRAMMARLY redirect is going to a controversial user essay... _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:04, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

I remember the 2023 discussion where we decided that Grammarly should not be given the prominence that the GOCE had been giving it. I haven't any first-hand experience with the program, but I suspect it can be used as a spellchecker is used, in that it can serve as a check on what is being written without its reminders being taken as dispositive. Dhtwiki (talk) 03:38, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Piotrus:, I think a general guide for all AI language tools might be helpful for regular editors. I don't think that user essay is helpful in any way. My opinion of the matter of AI tools hasn't changed since my comments in the linked discussion. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 07:22, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Small Banner of GOCE

Is there a template or a small banner which I can use in the talk pages of articles to signify that I am doing this copyedit as a member of the guild when it is not from the requests page? I don't want to use the Goceinuse template as I think that is not good for large copyedits that take a lot of time and telling other editors not to edit the article during that time is probably not good TNM101 (chat) 11:14, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi @TNM101:, we don't have a smaller template, though you're welcome to make one. Use of {{GOCEinuse}} isn't restricted to articles on the requests page. You can also use it to mark the section you're editing; just add |section=yes to the code. I also find editing by (sub)section begets fewer edit conflicts. Are your edits being reverted or conflicted? I usually check the article's history and avoid ones that are being actively edited. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 19:48, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

The GOCEinuse template belongs on the article itself, not the talk page, which itself gets Template:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors at the end of the copy edit. GOCEinuse's injunction against other editors' editing is often ignored, if it is even seen, and it will be taken down by a bot if no one has edited in ~24 hours (the interval is apt to vary widely but should be greater than 24 hours). GOCEinuse is actually most useful in warning away other copy editors looking for another article on the backlog to edit during a drive or blitz (such a warning not being needed if one removes or comments out the copy edit tag at the beginning of the copy edit, rather than at the end). Dhtwiki (talk) 02:04, 15 November 2024 (UTC)