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Can you please stop taking information about towns such as bolton and bury out,such as ones which mention that they are in Lancashire which they are,as i am from the bolton and bury area i think i should know that they are in Lancashire,and i will not be told by someone on here where i live.also people who are from around here would take serious offence if you said they live in greater manchester.all you are doing is causing trouble.stop now.the tradiotional county boundaries of lancashire have not been altered.i cannot believe how bloody minded and disrespectful you are as i have been looking up articles on people who have now died,and you mention greater manchester.this is enough to make those people turn in their graves,as they were proud of their Lancastrian culture.show some respect please — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.178.233.125 (talk) 20:02, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements and Counties of England. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:07, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Erm, I was born in Bury, then in Lancashire and now in Greater Manchester. I'm from the area and I'm not at all insulted by the boundary changes. If you live in Bolton or Bury then you live in Greater Manchester. If you don't like it, move further north. Parrot of Doom 20:19, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

It may also be necessary to exhume the bodies of deceased Lancastrians and move them further north, too, if the OP is certain that they would be grossly offended by their remains now being in Greater Manchester. It's interesting that Greater Manchester keeps growing; I remember when Bury was in GM but Bolton was still in Lancashire, but now, by the sound of it, it's gobbled up both of them. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:29, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

(ec) Your memory may be playing tricks on you as when Greater Manchester was created in 1974 both Bolton and Bury were part of it. Nev1 (talk) 20:40, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

I would have thought more disrespectful to deliberately introduce incorrect information into articles.--J3Mrs (talk) 20:37, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Bolton & Bury became part of Greater Manchester at the same time.--J3Mrs (talk) 20:39, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

I thought the solution was always to mention the "historical county" as well as the ceremonial or metropolitan (or whatever else it may well be these days) in terms of the towns/cities/settlements. However it cane be a bit inconsistently applied when it comes to people, i.e. looking at his recent edits re: Robert Whitehead, the previous "Greater Manchester" mentioning was wrong. Meanwhile one of his changes regarding Warburtons were actually valid "Warburtons is the most popular bread in its native Lancashire and Greater Manchester area with a 45% market share compared with a 15% share of London" isn't what the news article says. It says "45 per cent in its native Lancashire to about 15 per cent in London and the South East". As Greater Manchester isn't "Lancashire" without citation can we prove it is a 45% market share? Of course I am joking and just drawing out one point for emphasis as to how it can all get very sloppy around the fringes. Koncorde (talk) 21:31, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

It can get a bit complicated. The usual phrasing in settlement articles can be seen at Sale, Greater Manchester: "Sale is a town within the Metropolitan Borough of Trafford, in Greater Manchester, England. Historically part of Cheshire..." As for biographies, they should use the counties as they were when the person was alive, so there's no problem with this edit. And you're right about the Warburtons article, the reference doesn't mention Greater Manchester so I've tweaked the article to reflect what the source says. Nev1 (talk) 19:18, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

i have been looking these last few weeks,about the county issues,and i have come to the conclusion that Bolton and Bury are in Lancashire,and that Greater Manchester is in Lancashire,Yorkshire and Cheshire.why do you think lets say when Bolton and Bury play its called a Lancashire derby,and when Oldham play Leeds its called a roses derby,Lancashire and Yorkshire. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.149.199.219 (talk) 19:05, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

to prove my point further most of the Boroughs of Greater Manchester have red roses on their coat of arms,and Lancashire county cricket is based at old trafford,so there you are LANCASHIRE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.149.199.219 (talk) 19:09, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Fascinating stuff, but you are wasting yours and everybody else's time by repeating this nonsense. Parrot of Doom 19:16, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Not this rubbish again. Have you nothing better to do with your time? Nev1 (talk) 19:17, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

How am i wasting mine and everybodys time,the truth hurts doesent it gentlemen? and if ive not got anything better to do with my time,how can you talk your the 1 whos never off here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.149.199.219 (talk) 19:25, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

What sporting organisations choose to call their fixtures, and what boroughs choose to put on their coats of arms, is entirely their choice: they are not bound by any Wikipedia policies (and nor could we expect them to be). We may report (with the use of reliable sources, per WP:V) that the coat of arms of Bolton MBC includes red roses, just as we may report that the arms of Manchester includes a sailing ship. But it's a long time since sailing ships were seen around No. 1 Dock. They display these devices as a commemoration of the past, not a statement of the present. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:41, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

ok redrose 64,maybe bury and manchester are greater manchester but bolton is definiatly Lancashire. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.149.199.219 (talk) 19:45, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

If you're so certain tell Bolton council, not us. Nev1 (talk) 19:48, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

omg,ive spoke to several members of the council and they all agree with me — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.149.199.219 (talk) 19:51, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Prove it. Nev1 (talk) 19:51, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

omg,ive done nothing wrong and i get accused of attacking people wth?

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Photo request

File:Manchester Arndale Halle Square 1977.jpg

On the right is Halle Square in the Arndale, around Christmas 1977. Upstairs to the left is C&A (maybe C&A is downstairs too?). The shuttering upstairs on the right would become Beaverbrooks. I think a 'then and now' comparison would add to the Arndale article. Could someone take an up to date photograph from the same viewpoint? The kind of thing I have in mind is this photograph; obviously shops have changed, but the big change in layout is the daylight coming into the modern shot (the Arndale in 1977 was entirely artificially lit). There are a couple more 1977 shots here at geograph.

Blimey, I remember that layout! I particularly remember those things hanging from the ceiling, I recall they had small light bulbs in them. Parrot of Doom 19:17, 12 September 2011 (UTC)