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The result of the debate was deletion. RyanGerbil10(Говорить!) 00:12, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Recent book (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

This was created almost immediately after the deletion of {{Current fiction}}. As the closing admin stated in Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2007_December_15#Template:Current_fiction, "Articles about new things need help. This is not a new concept. A box with one of those bright stripes doesn't need to tell us that." An argument was made in the deletion debate that {{Current fiction}} was like {{Recent death}}, but it was not a compelling argument as information does not change rapidly for fictional works as they're static and don't change rapidly. Chaz Beckett 18:57, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • The message is virtually the same. They both declare something to be new. Readers can figure out that a book is new from the lead. If an article is need of clean-up, there are plenty of clean-up templates with a more specific message than "this is new". The example you cite, {{recent death}} is more like {{current}}, that is to say, it is news, and the article may be unstable while the current event occurs. Information about recently released books doesn't change the way news of future books or news about recent deaths do, so I see little point to this template other than "OMG SPOILERS". If there is a problem with many editors editing an article on a recent book in a short period of time, then {{current}} can be used. --Phirazo 21:55, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The message is virtually the same? How so? They both declare something to be new? That's not why {{current fiction}} was deleted. And the {{current product}} template has existed since September. Temporal templates are not necessarily for cleanup. A death is not a current event. It happens once, and then it's over. Articles about recently released books do change alot after the book is released. Again, this template has nothing to do with spoilers. Most book releases are not considered "events", so I don't see how the {{current}} tag would apply. --Pixelface (talk) 05:59, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Unable to determine its purpose since its message keeps changing (three distinct versions in the past day). If the message is simply declaring it's a recent book (as it does at this moment), then I see no purpose for it; I can look at its publishing history to see how recent it is (if the article lacks that information, then add it instead of this tag). Template tags like this must have a useful purpose, and that purpose is usually clear from the message it creates on the page. For some reason, this template's message (as well as those of its sisters) is deemed secondary or fungible or unnecessary by its creator. Therefore, I cannot discern its intent and must vote to Delete.
    Jim Dunning | talk 13:49, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I can't think of a useful reason to tag an article with this template. The book is finished, so no changes will take place (normally!). Critical reaction will be ongoing for eternity. The tag is not requesting assistance from editors, nor is it alerting readers to potential problems. SilkTork *SilkyTalk 13:57, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and expand. I think this template is useful, but should say more than it does, mentioning more specific problems with the article as the old 'currentfiction' template did. I don't think this was intended as a spoiler template, but some people seem to think it is one, so if kept it should be reworded to clarify its actual purpose: alerting readers that an article may not be up to our highest standards of quality, due to inevitable problems with recentism. That's a real issue, and this is a helpful template. Terraxos (talk) 04:07, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Per other editors' rationales and the fact that its useless.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 05:11, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per all arguments at the {{Current fiction}} TfD. This is virtually a G4 speedy candidate, and just more disruption from User:Pixelface, who continues to demonstrate that he has no interest in creating an encyclopedia and endless interest in "beating the dust which has blown over the bloody smear where the dead horse once lay", to quote a recent AN/I thread. --Stormie (talk) 08:57, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, having nothing to do with the spoiler or currentfiction arguments, but simply because it is completely useless and provides no added value to either readers or editors of the encyclopedia. Maintenance tags are not intended to enlighten readers - and it does not do that, since the release date should be presented within the article. They are intended for editors, to provide useful information and/or areas to concentrate improvement efforts. This template does nothing in that regard. Happymelon 21:50, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per other users rationals, especially per Hiding. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:36, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per reasons stated here, recent film and current fiction. Simply stating that the book is recent is not helpful, but requesting specific improvements is. There are already cleanup templates that offer better advice and link to appropriate guidelines. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 17:25, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was deletion. RyanGerbil10(Говорить!) 00:13, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Recent film (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Like {{Recent book}}, this template was created almost immediately after the deletion of {{Current fiction}}. Chaz Beckett 18:57, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: I am leaning toward endorsing deletion of this template, but I'd like to pose a question. I've kept an eye on quite a few articles of recent films in the past year, and I've rarely noticed hefty editing on the large majority of them. They've usually been gnomish edits, either copy-editing or fine-tuning details to the Plot section. The film articles pale in absolute comparison to articles covering recent events or recent deaths, so I'm asking, how does this template serve to inform the reader in any way? A thought of mine is to wiki-link to WP:MOSFILM and encourage readers to get involved, but there is still an issue of when a film is recent. For example, The Killing of John Lennon is no longer a "future film", but it does not have a large presence. If it gets a wide release in the United States, would the template really apply there? From where we're standing, we can perceive points in the timeline where a film gets more awareness (such as a foreign film being introduced in an English-language territory, controversies, awards, or DVD releases), but from what I've seen, the traffic is rarely quantifiable based on the meager edits to articles on films. The objective threshold that's been used is the first non-festival release, so my issue is whether the template would really help even if it only exists in the first x weeks of a film's release, where it may find higher traffic afterward for a reason like the ones I previously listed. —Erik (talkcontrib) - 22:32, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Effectively this is a recreation, or at least a circumvention of deletion, or a previously deleted template. --Tony Sidaway 15:24, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Then what is it about? That a film is new? Readers can figure that out from the lead. That an article is in need of clean-up? There are plenty of clean-up templates with a more specific message than "this is new". The example you cite, {{recent death}} is more like {{current}}, that is to say, it is news, and the article may be unstable while the current event occurs. Information about recently released films doesn't change the way news of future films or news about recent deaths do, so I see little point to this template other than "OMG SPOILERS". If there is a problem with many editors editing an article on a recent film in a short period of time, then {{current}} can be used. --Phirazo 21:51, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Readers can figure out that Ike Turner died from the lead too. And they can also figure out that Cloverfield hasn't been released yet. Articles about recently released films do change quite a bit — and many of those articles do need attention. The template has nothing to do with spoilers or spoiler warnings. The template has never been about "OMG SPOILERS" and I have no idea why you would think that. Films are not current events, so no, {{current}} cannot be used. A film premiere may be a sort of "event", but the information about the premiere is often not what changes, the entire article changes, usually significantly. This is a temporal template. Most temporal templates lack any clean-up messages and just indicate that an article may change rapidly. I would say that articles about recently released films change much more after the film's release than before the film's release. I see no reason why the {{future film}} template should exist, but not the {{recent film}} template. --Pixelface (talk) 04:49, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per my concerns about the lack of ease in implementing such a template consistently, reflected in my comment a few bullet points above. —Erik (talkcontrib) - 06:24, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Unable to determine its purpose since its message keeps changing (three distinct versions in the past day). If the message is simply declaring it's a recent film (as it does at this moment), then I see no purpose for it; I can look at its release dates relevant to my location to see just how recent it is (if the article lacks that information, then add it instead of adding this tag). Template tags like this must have a useful purpose, and that purpose should be clear from the message it creates on the page. For some reason, this template's message (as well as those of its sisters) is deemed secondary or fungible or unnecessary by its creator. Therefore, I cannot discern its intent and must vote to Delete.
    Jim Dunning | talk 13:37, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I can't think of a useful reason to tag an article with this template. The film is finished, so no changes will take place. Critical reaction will be ongoing for eternity. The tag is not requesting assistance from editors, nor is it alerting readers to potential problems. SilkTork *SilkyTalk 13:56, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The film may be the finished but the article isn't. Articles about recently released films often change very quickly and some need updating and improvement. The tag did encourage people to expand the article, but some editors didn't like that wording so I changed it. This template puts articles into a category. An editor may work on one article and then see other articles in the category and work on those too. You said yourself that critical reaction will be ongoing. Film articles continue to change after the film has been released for a while, but I think the most changes come in the first few weeks after the film's release. --Pixelface (talk) 04:59, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was keep and clean up. RyanGerbil10(Говорить!) 00:15, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Hillary Rodham Clinton (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

This is consists of content which is mostly unrelated to Hillary Clinton. Even if it is not deleted, I still think that much of its content should be removed (like links to associations which she is a member of). I would also suggest people look through Wikipedia for similar templates because I have not seen any others quite like this. Comments appreciated. EvanStalk |sign here 18:05, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was deletion. RyanGerbil10(Говорить!) 00:18, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2007-08 New Jersey Nets season game log (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Orphaned. Nothing links to it. -- ALLSTARecho 09:58, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was deletion. RyanGerbil10(Говорить!) 00:19, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2007-08 NBA Central standings (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Orphaned. Nothing links to it. -- ALLSTARecho 09:57, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was deletion. RyanGerbil10(Говорить!) 00:20, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2007-08 Charlotte Bobcats season game log (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Not used in any article. Userfy if need be.. -- ALLSTARecho 09:56, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was deletion. RyanGerbil10(Говорить!) 00:21, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2006 San Francisco Giants season game log (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Orphaned. Nothing links to it. -- ALLSTARecho 09:55, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Home Run Derby templates

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The result of the debate was deletion of all. RyanGerbil10(Говорить!) 00:23, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2006 Home Run Derby (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Template:2005 Home Run Derby (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Template:2004 Home Run Derby (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Template:2003 Home Run Derby (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Template:2002 Home Run Derby (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Template:2001 Home Run Derby (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Template:2000 Home Run Derby (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Not being used in any article. Userfy if need be. -- ALLSTARecho 09:54, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep and unsubstitute. These templates were first proposed for deletion in July. The reason for no consensus was that the same tables were used across two articles. They still are, it's just that someone had substituted them. It's certainly possible that the format for these tables will change, considering the two types of formats in Home Run Derby. It's easier to edit one template than it is to know to make the same changes to two articles. The templates also make sure there are no discrepancies across articles. This time, I'll make sure they get unsubstituted. Note: I've merged the 7 nominations here to avoid copy and pasting across discussions as the same result should apply to all of them; for the same reason the templates should stay.Pomte 01:14, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all. Two articles are not very difficult to change. It is basically still a single use template. Resolute 04:35, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Not very difficult" still allows it to be more difficult to some degree, and every bit helps if someone's trying to maintain and check for consistency across 8+ articles. What does basically single use mean? They're clearly not single use. –Pomte 11:34, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was deletion. RyanGerbil10(Говорить!) 00:26, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2006 Bears Draft (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Template:2003 Bears Draft (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Orphaned. Nothing links to it. -- ALLSTARecho 09:53, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was deletion. RyanGerbil10(Говорить!) 00:27, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2006-2007 National Division Three South (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Not being used on any article. Userfy if need be.. -- ALLSTARecho 09:52, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was deletion. RyanGerbil10(Говорить!) 00:28, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2003 FIFA Womens world Cup Venues (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Orphaned. Nothing links to it.. -- ALLSTARecho 09:47, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was deletion. RyanGerbil10(Говорить!) 00:29, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2000s NBA Eastern Conference Final broadcasters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Orphaned. Nothing links to it.. -- ALLSTARecho 09:44, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was no consensus. This goes against many guidelines for the template namespace - but if editors agree it could be useful it shouldn't be deleted - at this time. RyanGerbil10(Говорить!) 00:30, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template:1998 FIFA World Cup Finalists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Orphaned. Nothing links to it.. -- ALLSTARecho 09:32, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK, maybe I can link stuff to it? Because this template exists for 2002 + 2006 World Cups, so why not 98 as well? WilliamF1 (talk) 19:29, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was deletion. RyanGerbil10(Говорить!) 00:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template:1996 Florida Gators roster (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Orphaned. Nothing links to it.. -- ALLSTARecho 09:32, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete by administrator Xaosflux as a test page. Non-admin closure. JPG-GR (talk) 19:20, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Wikipedia Wikipedians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

This template was apparently created solely to serve as an example for how football templates should be laid out. Obviously, it is not in use in any actual articles. A better practice would be to pick a template for an existing team to perfect and point to as a model (this appears to have been done too, rendering this template obsolete). — BD2412 T 09:30, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was deletion. RyanGerbil10(Говорить!) 00:33, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template:1996 Florida Gators depth chart (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Orphaned. Nothing links to it.. -- ALLSTARecho 09:29, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete Maxim(talk) 14:55, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template:1994 Atlantic Division Standings (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Orphaned. Nothing links to it.. -- ALLSTARecho 09:28, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was deletion of both. RyanGerbil10(Говорить!) 00:34, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template:1990s NBA Western Conference Final broadcasters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Template:1980s NBA Western Conference Final broadcasters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Orphaned. Nothing links to it.. -- ALLSTARecho 09:27, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Too specific to go into individual articles. Make an article of it and delete the template. BD2412 T 09:38, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Delete per BD2412. This is an article in template form, not a template. JPG-GR (talk) 18:34, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was deletion. RyanGerbil10(Говорить!) 00:35, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template:1969MLBPlayoffs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Orphaned. Nothing links to it.. -- ALLSTARecho 09:25, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete Wizardman 01:07, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Offensive pictures (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Template is hopelessly POV. What is obscene to me may not be to you. WP is NOT Censored. — Gillyweed (talk) 08:14, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was deletion. RyanGerbil10(Говорить!) 00:36, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Tl1 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Filing this nomination on behalf of User:H3xx, who added the TfD template but did not list it here. [1]WODUP 07:33, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • This one's different from the ordinal numbers below. It has some unnecessary User talk links, unclear acronyms, and shows all parameters regardless of their existence, which makes it an outdated version of {{tls}} variants that should be deleted or at least mark deprecated. –Pomte 11:59, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Ordinal numbers

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The result of the discussion was delete --Rifleman 82 (talk) 08:09, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template:9th (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Template:11th (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Template:12th (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Template:13th (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Template:0th (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Filing this nomination on behalf of User:H3xx, who added the TfD template but did not list it here. [2] Also, I agree that this template should be deleted with {{th}} as a better alternative. — WODUP 07:33, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Speedy deleted per only editor's request. JERRY talk contribs 19:27, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cite press release/doc2 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Unused, redundant to Template:Cite press release/doc.. —Remember the dot (talk) 02:38, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was deletion. RyanGerbil10(Говорить!) 00:47, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Roads in Washington, DC suburbs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

This template is too large and is unnessecary to link all the roads in the area — Dough4872 (talk) 01:32, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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