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The result of the debate was DELETE. -Splashtalk 23:09, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:IndiaGov

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Template:IndiaGov (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete — Fair use tags must explicitly specify what valid uses the images have. This tag is too vague and can't easily be rewritten to meet the previous requirement. Furthermore, almost none of the images tagged with it appear to be fair use. JYolkowski // talk 23:30, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Original version was PD-IndiaGov, and was incorrect: works of the Indian government are copyrighted for 60 years. Current version is just plain useless. --Carnildo 02:03, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per nominator.--nixie 04:45, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per nom -- DaGizzaChat © 07:34, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Nominator has valid concerns, which could be addressed and I have updated the text to better reflect what constitutes a work of the Indian government. If you have any concerns, I would be happy to look at it. This license is necessary, because a large no. of Images are uploaded, because people don't know that a work of the Indian government is copyrighted. --Pamri • Talk 06:47, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
On second thoughts, delete. It doesn't add much and better to use the existing fair-use tags. --Pamri • Talk 08:36, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The updated text carries the message of copyright in letter and spirit. Images from the websites of the Indian Government can be used under fair use.(Many people in India dont know the real meaning of copyright. Webmasters just add the text at the bottom of the website without realizing that some of their content is infringed) I belive fair use of images which can't be easily sourced from other avenues should be allowed or else many of the images related war, people and events will get deleted. User:Aravind parvatikar Talk 07:08, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The rewritten template still does not meet the requirements for a fair use image. We should be avoiding giving the impression that anything lifted from an Indian government site is fair use. These images should be dealt with under the existing fair use framework. Furthermore the template is not in wide use (I can only see four inclusions), so deleting this misleading template should not cause any great harm.--nixie 23:40, 29 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was DELETE. -Splashtalk 23:09, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Periodic table

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Template:Periodic table (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete — The template holds table code for the large article Periodic table, and is not used anywhere else (see links). It has now been obsoleted by transclusion of the small article Periodic table (standard) – equivalent to the template – into the large article. The large and the small article were created in 2001 and 2002, respectively. The template was created in March 2005 by taking out parts of the large article. Eddi (Talk) 21:25, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean merge and delete? Regarding a merge of histories, I'm not sure how this is done, but I think a merge with Periodic table (standard) might be more relevant than with Periodic table. --Eddi (Talk) 23:25, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
As I understand it, a merge involves the undeletion of one page over the other and is not an option here. With two existing histories it would result in a mess that "official quote: may only be undone by spending quite silly amounts of time". For historical reasons, the template could be archived at Wikipedia:WikiProject Elements/archive/Template:Periodic table, though its edits are mostly of a trivial nature, or about things that have been discussed elsewhere. Just in case I salvaged Template talk:Periodic table into Talk:Periodic table (standard). So, my vote is delete. Femto 11:40, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was SUBST and DELETE. -Splashtalk 23:26, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:United States Constitution ratification vote

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Template:United States Constitution ratification vote (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete — The template is not used (which is reason #3 on Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion#What (and what not) to propose for deletion at TfD. It had been used only for one article, United States Constitution, and I can't imagine what other articles could use it. I've subst-ed the template into the article. —Markles 18:53, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Nomination withdrawn Prodego talk 01:38, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:User Wikipedia search (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete — Pointless, as wikipedia is not a search engine Prodego talk 17:48, 26 January 2006 (UTC) withdrawn per changes to template.[reply]

Yes, that's better, but I can't believe there already isn't a template about using Wikipeida as a 'primary point of reference', otherwise I would have changed it myself. But, I can find no evidence of such a duplicate existing, so let's keep. Prodego talk 22:16, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was KEEP. -Splashtalk 23:17, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Defban

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That would be a legal threat, then. Goes with Template:Defwarn that probably needs removing as well, but that can go for a seperate nomination depending on what happens here. The present template uses such biting language that I nearly speedied it. IMO, it should probably never be used. Worryingly, it already has been. Delete. -Splashtalk 17:09, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I know it's a legal threat, but let's face it: it does have a warning notice on it about extreme circumstances etc.--TheDoctor10 (talk|email) 18:38, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Both: Per WP:NLT Keep, per Jtdirl Prodego talk 19:02, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I don't think so much energy should be put into WP:NLT (perhaps that's naive) but it's 'Pedia policy and it's pretty clear. This is a legal threat and should be removed. That goes for the other one too. - Hayter 19:24, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:NLT and because it is non-global. Stifle 20:46, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It is not a legal threat. It was created after consultation with members of the arbcom (the advice of Jimbo was also sought). It is an explanation that while Wikipedia is covered legally in the event of defamation statements placed on it, the user who placed them is explicitly stated in law not to be. This template was created to deal with specific cases where users as a childish game were posting clearly defamatory statements (one now banned user accused Jimbo of child sex abuse in sixty messages, for example, another individual was accused of rape, another user was stated to be a convicted rapist of young girls, all untrue, I might add) oblivious to the fact that under US law (which is the relevant source of law in this case) the poster was leaving themselves open to being sued. As mentioned it was created after consultation with members of the arbcom and the advice of Jimbo was sought. It is only used in extreme cases (as it is explicitly stated that it is only to be used sparingly). The arbcom and Jimbo have ruled that individuals posting threats of the sort of defamation are to be banned immediately and indefinitely. Defban explains to the user the legal reasons for their ban. Defwarn informs a user that they may have unintentionally posted a defamatory comment that leaves them in legal jeopardy of being sued, and informs them of the need to re-examine their edits, to have the offending edit removed from WP by a developer, and of the danger that if they do not do so they are liable to face an immediate indefinite WP ban. The wording, in particular of defban, is based on legal advice as to wording and tone. I am astonished that Splash knows so little about the problems WP has faced of late with vandals posting defamation. Those who have had to deal with defamation being posted (including having to remove all records of defamation posted from Wikipedia records) have praised the template for communicating the legal situation clearly. It was also made clear by all those consulted in the arbcom and elsewhere that this template is not covered by WP's policy on no legal threats because it is not a threat by a user but it simply points out the legal situation a user is in thanks to posting defamation. In fact it is in practice a practical necessity in so far as in the event of a serious case of defamation on Wikipedia which results in a storm of protect, WP can point to this template's existence as evidence that it takes the issue of defamation seriously, warns users if an example is spotted, and blocks them with a detailed explanation on occasion. So it has a practical use both in protecting users from getting themselves into legal difficulties and in protecting WP from appearing not to take defamation lightly. As a result it is necessary and the message in it has (on rare occasions) to be communicated. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 00:12, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • In response to Splash, I'd like to quote from Wikipedia:No legal threats:

Similarly, slander, libel, or defamation of character is not to be tolerated on Wikipedia. True instances of such writing, which might legitimately expose Wikipedia to legal sanction, should immediately be called to the attention of an administrator and/or the community at large. Disagreements as to the identity of a person, their motivations for a given action, opinions of third parties about them, etc. do not fall under slander, however, and legal threats cannot be used to have points of view enshrined in an article.

Keep, per Jtdirl. Mackensen (talk) 00:55, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Defamation is a serious problem which affects the credibility of the project. Fred Bauder 01:33, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Per Jtdirl and Fred Bauder. A critical precaution as Wikipedia comes under rapidly increasing scrutiny with the growth of its notoriety. A certain editor of the John Seigenthaler Sr. article comes to mind... 172 | Talk 04:24, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, it is not a legal threat, it warns a user that by making defamatory statments someone may choose to take legal action- which is entirely true.--nixie 04:48, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above. -Xol 05:03, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep wikipedia professional and credible, crack down on all vandalism as appropriate. Djegan 20:48, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest to add some of the above into Template talk:Defban and make usage instructions vs. rationale vs. approval very clear-cut. I'd say right now the text there is rather chaotic. mikka (t) 01:29, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It is very much needed and gives a clear message to the respective user posting such info. --Winter 22:59, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was DELETE. -Splashtalk 23:18, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Prinsessakerho

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Template:Prinsessakerho (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
The article the template links to, Prinsessakerho, was deleted per AfD. It was judged not notable enough. Therefore I don't see much point in keeping this template around any more. Delete and remove from articles it appears in. JIP | Talk 12:17, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, even if everyone on the club and the club itself was notable, it would still be a single-sentence template used at most on 14 articles. As they aren't, it's useless. - Bobet 19:37, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was DELETE. Clearly, the change to the template did not change minds. -Splashtalk 23:19, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:User vand

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Template:User vand (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
We shouldn't have "self-proclaimed vandals" on Wikipedia, nor templates designed to encourage them. I generally have a pretty laissez-faire attitude towards userboxes, but this one blatantly crosses the line. Crotalus horridus (TALK • CONTRIBS) 06:21, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good job God. I was going to make one that said that eventually. Keep per God of War's edit. --The most intelligent Wikipedian to exist, period! 21:18, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
My delete vote stands --Doc ask? 21:25, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, unpersuasive. The reform should involve leaving their past behind, and their talk page will provide record of any unapproved behavior. -- nae'blis (talk) 21:33, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think that many vandals start off with ip level vandalising before they see the value of the project. They then get themselves a brand new user account that doesñ't show any record of vandalism.--God of War 23:53, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Duly blocked. Who's up next? --Doc ask? 00:48, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I just cheked out the other user linking to the page: User:Conrad-14 year old socialist. According to his self-made info-box, he's a "part time wikipedia vandal." He is alsop "Un-American" according to a userbox, not to mention the fact that he wants to overthrow the government in favor of socialism. I'm going to check whether he added the box before the update. -Xol 04:41, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, he added it before the update. He is a self-proclaimed Wikipedia vandal. Such a stupid person to lose to such a stupid cause. -Xol 04:43, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps you should subst it on your page and apply it for deletion, reason= author request? -Xol 05:29, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep new version. - Cuivienen 04:17, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Per the discussion here, I have created a new template Template:User reformed vandal--God of War 20:03, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
And it was deleted because it's a fork. Oy. --AySz88^-^ 02:23, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Someone needs to add a :) or something, at least. --AySz88^-^ 02:23, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was DELETE. -Splashtalk 23:21, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:91X

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Template:91X (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete — List of countdowns by year of a radio station in California. All the year countdowns have now been deleted via precedent here. Pepsidrinka 04:57, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Speedy delete per CSD:G7. Stifle 20:47, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:PD-AUGov

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Template:PD-AUGov (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete — Images are not PD because of they are the work of the Australian government. Was only attached to one image which has been retagged as nolicense. The only image was actually under a not free at all license. This template makes people think that any work of the Australian government is PD when they are not. Secretlondon 02:39, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was DELETE. -Splashtalk 23:22, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:MLB see also Phillies

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Template:MLB see also Phillies (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete - unused template. Rmhermen 02:13, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Speedy keep, nominator withdrew and no votes to delete. - Bobet 13:28, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Rayment

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Template:Rayment (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete — Freehosting site transcluded in 60+ articles. Site has 4 "link:" results. I doubt this page deserves this many citations from us. Perfecto 01:54, 26 January 2006 (UTC) --Perfecto 01:54, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Virtually all the information on Ronald Bell is available from a variety of other sources. I would oppose deletion. 195.194.75.209 12:34, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was DELETE. It's already been subst:ed into its only article. -Splashtalk 23:27, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Champions of Pro Football

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Template:Champions of Pro Football (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Subst and delete — This is currently only used on one article: National Football League championships. Unless someone puts it on a second article or has another suggestion, it has got to go because of the waste of server resources. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 00:57, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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