Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/California

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Documents

• Buford House (Napa, California), refnum 77000314, has photos doc where expected but text document is not available:"National Register of Historic Places Inventory/Nomination: Buford House". National Park Service. With accompanying two photos from 1977. --Doncram (talk) 06:44, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

• Hiram D. Scott House, refnum=77000348, at 4603 Scotts Valley Dr. in Scotts Valley, California, listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1977, has NRHP doc and photos available, but the document is scanned badly and is unreadable: ("National Register of Historic Places Inventory/Nomination: Hiram D. Scott House / Scott House". National Park Service. Retrieved August 24, 2019. (very hard to read). With accompanying seven photos from 1912 and 1975-76 ). --Doncram (talk) 13:52, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

• Winship-Smernes Building, at 948 Main St. in Napa, California, designed by Napa architect Luther M. Turton was listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1977. The National Register nomination document from 1977 should be available online, but in 2019 only the accompanying photo is found. See: "National Register of Historic Places Inventory/Nomination: Winship-Smernes Building / Hennessey Building". National Park Service. Retrieved December 8, 2019. With accompanying photo from 1976 ). --Doncram (talk) 04:19, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Omissions and exclusions

• There is an apparent omission error in NRIS for Yolo County Courthouse, which was NRHP-listed on February 26, 1987, as can be seen on page 26 of the 144 page PDF file of NRHP listings during 1987. Which you access by clicking on "1986" (not 1987) on the NRHP announcements page [here]. However, NRIS reports only that its application was received on date of December 16, 1986, in refnum 86003660, with status "DR" that apparently means "Date received/pending nomination". NRIS should be corrected to show its NRHP listing in 1987. Issue identified by User:Killiondude, and Elkman and i also helped sort out what happened. doncram (talk) 04:11, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

A webpage about the property http://www.yolo.courts.ca.gov/AbouttheCourt/HistoricalView.html states it was NRHP-listed in 1987. doncram (talk) 07:24, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Big Four House, moved to Old Sacramento area

• Big Four House, in Sacramento, vs. Southern Pacific Railway Station, in Davis.

NRIS entry is missing for Big Four House. The NRHP refnum given in the NHL summary webpage for Big Four House, and used in the filename for its inventory/nomination document (https://npgallery.nps.gov/NRHP/GetAsset/NHLS/76000541_text) is 76000541. However, NRIS shows "Southern Pacific Railroad Station" in Davis, instead, for that refnum (see NRHP.COM version, which gives " (added 1976 - Building - #76000541), H and 2nd Sts., Davis)" ). Further notes (adapted from Dudemanfellabra posting at wt:NRHP):

• The nomination form has information about the "Big Four House" and not the "Southern Pacific Railroad Station", but says that the Big Four (which are people) founded the Southern Pacific Railroad, so there is at least some connection with the two. The NHL summary page said the house was designated in 1961 before the NRHP was started in 1966, so the house should have been among the first listed on the NRHP on October 15, 1966.

  Note, the date on the nomination form was September 1975 and it talked about events that happened as late as 1967. The Railroad Station wasn't listed until 1976, so a September 1975 nomination form date would fit, but nowhere in the form is there any mention of "Southern Pacific Railroad Station"... only "Big Four House".

  The nomination form mentioned that the Big Four House had been moved in 1966 from its original location at 220-226 K Street, Sacramento to the North side of I Street between Front and Second Streets, still in the city of Sacramento, and the address listed for the Railroad Station is the corner of H and 2nd Streets, in Davis, California, an entirely separate city. Most of the Davis (Amtrak station) article was written by User:Duran7 (talk) way back in 2006 (and he hasn't made an edit since 2007), and I'm not sure how reliable it is.

  I am thoroughly confused as to the connection of these two properties. Maybe there's an error in the NRIS database? Perhaps whoever made the NHL summary page accidentally put in the wrong refnum and it propagated into the creation of the pdf at the wrong location? Maybe the two buildings are actually the same place, and there is an error in the address of the railroad station? All I know is that there are currently two properties in different cities linked to the same reference number, which I thought was impossible. Can anyone sort this out? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! --Dudemanfellabra (talk) 08:27, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

  It seems possible the October 15, 1966 data entry was missed. Also perhaps there were 2 related NRHP entries to make into NRIS database, for "Southern Pacific Railroad Station" to cover the Davis or Davisville railroad station (Davis (Amtrak station)) and also a change to the Big Four House property in 1976, and they got mixed up. Will check the National Register printed announcement of changes in 1976 to look for these, next. doncram (talk) 16:34, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Southern Pacific Railroad Company's Sacramento Depot
U.S. National Register of Historic Places
Location	5th and I Sts., Sacramento, California
Coordinates	38°35′3″N 121°30′0″W
Area	5 acres (2.0 ha)
Built	1925
Architect	Bliss & Faville
Architectural style	Late 19th And 20th Century Revivals, Mediterranean
NRHP reference No.	75000457
Added to NRHP	April 21, 1975

References

• Page 23 of 218 in this PDF of the Federal Register reporting of 1966-1978 NRHP listings (if link doesnt work try accessing from here, click on "1966-1978" towards lower left) shows, in Yolo County, CA: "Davis. SOUTHERN PACIFIC RAILROAD STATION, H and 2nd Sts., (11-7-76)".

  Page 19, in Sacramento County, CA, shows: "Sacramento. SOUTHERN PACIFIC RAILROAD COMPANY'S SACRAMENTO DEPOT, 5th and I Sts., (4-21-75)".

  I see no mention of "Big Four House" or "220-226 K Street" in the Sacramento County section. There are other places listed in Sacramento. Another person's scanning the PDF might possibly turn up something else that seems relevant. doncram (talk) 16:57, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

  From NPS Focus searching on "Southern Pacific", i find the "Southern Pacific Railroad Company's Sacramento Depot" listed, with refnum apparently 75000457 (from url of where document would be, although no documents are available online). doncram (talk) 17:11, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

  The Sacramento county NRHP list pipelinks from "Southern Pacific Railroad Company's Sacramento Depot" (at 5th and I St) to Sacramento Station which is "an Amtrak and Amtrak California train station which serves the city of Sacramento, California. It is located at 401 I Street, on the corner of I Street and Fifth Street." doncram (talk) 17:11, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

  Adding NRHP infobox for the Sacramento depot, apparently a structure in 1925, from Elkman's system, at right. It appears the Sacramento depot was listed in April, 1975, and was adjacent or close to the original location of the Big Four House building which was being moved away in 1966. doncram (talk) 17:30, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

• The Sacramento Depot is actually closer to the new location of the Big Four House. I just looked on Google Streetview and found the Big Four House in it's new location (though I had to look across a courtyard from J Street to see it because Streeview isn't available on that part of I Street), and at its old location stands an empty lot. At 401 I Street, a few blocks down from the new location of the Big Four House, is the Sacramento Depot. I don't think the Sacramento Depot has anything to do with the Big Four House. The only problem I see, as you stated below, is the mismatched reference number. --Dudemanfellabra (talk) 20:15, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

• Adding a pic to that infobox here (and added to Sacramento Station article now too). There are 2 or 3 errors at the National Register involved here:

  1. The 1966 beginning of the NRHP should have included the Big Four House, as it was already an NHL, but may not have. There is no entry in NRIS for this building.

  2a. If the 75000456 refnum belongs to the Big Four House, as suggested by NHL webpage and the inventory document filename, then the NRIS entry for the Davis station is wrong, should have a different refnum

  2b. If the 75000456 refnum belongs to the Davis station, as NRIS currently shows, then the NHL webpage for Big Four House and filename for its inventory document are wrong, should use a different refnum

  doncram (talk) 17:49, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Property names

• Crescent City Lighthouse, A St., Battery Point Island, Crescent City, California, refnum 83001177 is listed in NRIS with "Crescent" misspelled as "Cresent" instead. doncram (talk) 20:02, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delano House, 70 Buena Vista Terrace, San Francisco, is listed in the NRIS as "Delane House". NRHP plaque says Delano. I'm inclined to believe the plaque. Delano is a historic family name in San Francisco (e.g., there's a Delano Ave. and Delano Groceries). --sanfranman59 (talk) 22:11, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
• "Marguerita Lane Historic District, Marguerita La. off South Morengo Ave., Pasadena, 09000177, LISTED, 4/10/09" - new listing. The street is Marengo - not Morengo. Einbierbitte (talk) 17:55, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
• Heinold's First and Last Chance Saloon, 56 Jack London Square, Oakland, is misspelled as Heinhold's in the NRIS database. In addition to the name on the building itself, there are several plaques with the Heinold spelling. --sanfranman59 (talk) 02:31, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
• Dr. Edwin Hennessey House, 1727 Main St., Napa, is misspelled as Henessey in the NRIS database. It's now operated as a bed and breakfast inn and the proprietors assured me that Hennessey is the correct spelling. --sanfranman59 (talk) 18:27, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
• Bakersfield Californian Building, 1707 Eye St., Bakersfield, 83001183, is misspelled as "Bakersfield California Building" in the NRIS; its nomination form says Californian, which is the name of the newspaper based there. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 00:32, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Demolished but still listed

• The Pioneer (Visalia, California), a 1915 sculpture that was listed on the NRHP in 1977, destroyed by an earthquake in 1980, gone, but apparently still listed in NRIS. doncram (talk) 15:59, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
• St. Paulus Lutheran Church in San Francisco burned to the ground in 1995. The property is now basically an empty lot with what remains of the building's foundation. I could find no markers. --sanfranman59 (talk) 05:31, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
• Cowell Memorial Hospital, Berkeley demolished in 1993 and replaced by a new building for the Haas School of Business.[1] --sanfranman59 (talk) 22:38, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
• Geyserville Union School, demolished in 1994 and replaced by a (now virtually empty) office-retail-residential complex.[2] --sanfranman59 (talk) 04:33, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
• Andrew Carnegie Library (Corona, California), demolished in 1978, one year after 1977 NRHP listing. Demolition in 1978 sourced to ( "Corona, Riverside County". Carnegie-libraries.org. Retrieved August 16, 2019. ). Still included in NRIS2013a. --Doncram (talk) 06:35, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• Cloverdale Railroad Station: "A rail station previously served Cloverdale along the original Northwestern Pacific Railroad, and was listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1976 as Cloverdale Railroad Station. That station, however, was destroyed in a fire in 1991."Historic Depot consumed in morning blaze". Cloverdale Reveille. Cloverdale, California. September 25, 1991. p. 1. Retrieved April 11, 2013." --from article Cloverdale station, redirect target. Confirmed still listed, at least in NPS Gallery, January 31, 2021. --Doncram (talk) 18:30, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Town location issue

• Typo in city name; Winters House (Sacramento, California) is listed in NRIS as being Winters House at 2324 and 2326 H St. in "Sacremento" when correct spelling is "Sacramento". Its refnum=98001634. doncram (talk) 08:04, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

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• The Chung Mei Home Historic District (refnum 13000792) is listed as being in El Centro when it is actually in El Cerrito. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 08:23, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Street address issues

• Mary Andrews Clark Memorial Home is NRIS-listed at 306 S. Loma Dr., Los Angeles. That address is not recognized in Google maps. Per google maps, 306 Loma Drive in Los Angeles is located close to the NRIS-provided coordinates for the site. There are other S. Loma Drives in the L.A. area. My current belief is that it should be listed at 306 Loma Drive, Los Angeles. doncram (talk) 21:22, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

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• Oakland City Hall is listed in the NRIS as 1421 Washington St. That address no longer exists. The current address is 1 Frank H. Ogawa Plaza.[3] --sanfranman59 (talk) 23:06, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
• Green Gables-Mortimer Fleishhacker Country House is listed at 329 Albin Ave., Woodside. It should be 329 Albion Ave. --sanfranman59 (talk) 20:55, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
• The Martin Building in South San Francisco is located at 220 Linden Ave. (at Grand Ave.), not 220 Grand Ave. as recorded in the NRIS database. --sanfranman59 (talk) 01:45, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
• Hollywood Melrose Hotel, also known as Melrose Arms and later as the Monte Cristo Island Apartments, is on Melrose Avenue. The address in NRIS and the NRHP registration document is "5150-70 Melrose Boulevard" (see "National Register of Historic Places Registration: Hollywood Melrose Hotel / Melrose Arms". National Park Service. Retrieved July 28, 2019. With accompanying 17 photos ) but the street is Melrose Avenue. --Doncram (talk) 15:03, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

architect, builder, engineer issues

• St. John's Lutheran Church (Orange, California) is stated in NRIS to have architect "Frederick Fley". The architect actually is Frederick Eley, confirmed by the NRHP nom doc at https://npgallery.nps.gov/NRHP/GetAsset/NRHP/91001520_text. Change "Fley" to "Eley". --doncram 22:58, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
• Inyo County Courthouse is listed in NRIS as having architect "William W. Weeks"; it should be "H." not "W."; the NRHP registration document https://npgallery.nps.gov/NRHP/GetAsset/NRHP/97001664_text is clear that it was designed by noted architect William H. Weeks. --doncram 21:04, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
• Fullerton City Hall, refnum 03000424, at 237 W. Commonwealth Ave. in Fullerton, California was designed by noted architect G. Stanley Wilson not "Wilson G. Stanley" which is what NRIS2013a gives. Per its NRHP nomination document. --Doncram (talk) 09:41, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
• George E. Goodman Mansion, at 1120 Oak St. in Napa, California, refnum 93000261 is stated in its NRHP registration document to have been designed by architects McDougall and Marquis of San Francisco. NRIS apparently incorrectly states that as McDougall and Douglas. See document ( Donald S. Napoli (December 31, 1992). "National Register of Historic Places Registration: George E. Goodman Mansion". National Park Service. Retrieved December 4, 2019. With accompanying eight photos from 1992 ). --Doncram (talk) 17:31, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
• Semorile Building, Napa, California was in fact designed by architect L.M. Turton (Luther M. Turton), not "L.M. Thurton" as shows in NRIS version 2013a. Five or more other NRHP listings in Napa are by Turton. And this bio about him uses Turton and says he designed this building. Apparently the author of the NRHP nomination document was not familiar with the name and/or there was a typo in the one mention of the architect in the document ( Kathleen Kernberger (April 9, 1974). "National Register of Historic Places Inventory/Nomination: Semorile Building". National Park Service. Retrieved December 8, 2019. With accompanying two photos from 1972 ). --Doncram (talk) 03:49, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

other

• A. S. Bradford House's NRIS correctly includes "Colonial Revival" as an architecture code, but it incorrectly includes "Georgian Revival". Georgian Revival is not mentioned in the NRHP Inventory/Nomination document: drop it. --doncram 08:03, 24 June 2016 (UTC)