Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2008 September 10

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September 10

Image:Dehydroepiandrosterone.png

Image:Dehydroepiandrosterone.png (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Mykhal (notify | contribs).

• Orphaned, replaced by higher resolution PNG image Image:DHEA.png. JaGa^talk 08:44, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

• Comment - The DHEA.png version is missing the "CH₃" formula and the number of horizontal lines between the H's and the hexagons are different between the images. -- Suntag (talk) 20:17, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Reply to comment: neither of those matter in terms of representing the molecule. CH3 is implied at the end of a line, if it's not specified. The number of horizontal lines is irrelevant - the line only serves to represent the stereochemistry of the molecule. Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:19, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

See also Skeletal formula Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:22, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Image:User dmharvey sig.png

Image:User dmharvey sig.png (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Dmharvey (notify | contribs).

• Image appears to be a user signature. According to Wikipedia:Signatures, "Images of any kind must not be used in signatures". User appears to be inactive for the past year (Special:Contributions/Dmharvey). Content simply a blurry version of Image:It-学.png. 24.199.97.20. (talk) 10:41, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

• Delete - Redundant, bad version of Image:It-学.png. Also, deleting the image would be a quick way to remove it from the many pages in which User:Dmharvey posted his signature. (Perhaps a bot may be needed to clean his signatures). -- Suntag (talk) 19:58, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Image:Trisha Yearwood cropped.JPG

Image:Trisha Yearwood cropped.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by ONUnicorn (notify | contribs).

• Low quality, blurry. I put a cleanup tag on it a month ago and the creator re-uploaded a supposedly "cleaned up" version which only made the moiré even worse. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 14:38, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
  • I'd like to point out that I did not upload the "supposedly 'cleaned up'" version. That was User:pbroks13. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 22:32, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
    • My bad. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 04:11, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - Fails the general Wikipedia content guidelines regarding image quality. See Image choice and placement: "Poor quality images (too dark, blurry etc.) or where the subject in the image is too small, hidden in clutter, ambiguous or otherwise not obvious, should not be used." Also, I can not understand how a photo of a live performance could turn out this way using the SONY Camera DSC-S650. It looks like something was between the camera and the performer. It might have been the funky water-effect lighting and the lack of use of a flash. I agree with the nominator that no photo would be better than using this free photo in Wikipedia. -- Suntag (talk) 19:49, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
  • The reason it's so blurry is because I cropped the original photo (which showed the whole stage) down to just show her, and enlarged it some. I had it set on the setting that is supposed to "Shoot without flash in low-light reducing blur" because I was too far away from the stage for the flash to be effective. None of the pics I took there turned out great, but I thought that this one was better than no photo in the article. I guess that's for everyone else to decide though. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 22:38, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Image:Marker.JPG

Image:Marker.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Sarbazeirani (notify | contribs).

• fails WP:NFCC8 - not necessary to understand FreeRice Calliopejen1 (talk) 14:40, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

• Delete - The FreeRice article info on the image reads "The last message of encouragement appears when you reach 100,000: "You have donated 100,000 grains of rice. May you have a lifetime of happiness..." and then the donation comes back at 0 grains." That sentence as been in the article a long time and it seems that it is the text message, not the image, that significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic. Fails Wikipedia:NFCC#8. -- Suntag (talk) 19:34, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the media below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: keep. Previous IFD discussions of group articles came to a consensus that a group shot is not replaceable by individual images. As the group is currently not together, a non-free image is acceptable to identify the subject of the article. -Nv8200p talk 00:22, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Image:A Perfect Circle.jpg

Image:A Perfect Circle.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Yohhans (notify | contribs).

• This image does not match the liscense it has been allocated and I believe the fair-use rationalle is not adequate for far-use on wikipedia. REZTER ^TALK ø 16:34, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - License has been updated. This explains that the band is not currently together, and it is uncertain that they will ever perform together again, therefore a freely licensed version cannot be obtained at this time. Jennavecia ^(Talk) 16:55, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

• Just because a free image may not be obtained of the band together is not reason enough to use a copyrighted image. By my understanding of the liscensing which you have now used you may only use copyrighted images for people who are no longer living and as a result free images may not be published. The people are still alive and just because you may not get a free image of them as a band because they MAY not regroup is not reason enough. I may be wrong but I thought that if you didn't have a free image you just had to do without an image. REZTER ^TALK ø 17:20, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
• The key is probability of replaceablity. It is possible for example that Elvis is really still alive and thus images of him are replaceable. The question becomes how likely is a given situation? So we have to ask, given that many bands do regroup is the probability high enough that this is considered replaceable. To that, I don't know. keep essentially per Jenna's logic below. JoshuaZ (talk) 14:01, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
• Well, the license says "where the image is unrepeatable, i.e. a free image could not be created to replace it". Currently, it is unrepeatable, as Maynard answered the "Will there be another APC album?" with "Maybe, someday, a song on a soundtrack. But an album? No." This along with other comments he has made leave the impression of little to no chance of any future performances, rather, perhaps, some studio work between him and Howerdel. In this case, as it's a promotional image also, I would think it would be appropriate fair use, at least until the time that their may be a surprise reunion, in which case the rationale would be invalidated. As it stands currently, I nor anyone else can go take a picture of this group. Jennavecia ^(Talk) 21:19, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
• Totally agree with everybody else on this one. The band might not ever end their hiatus, which would make a photo almost impossible to obtain. In turn, the article wouldn't be able to properly convey who the band is and who the members are. mÆniac ^Ask! 19:18, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

• Delete - Nothing stands out about this particular photo and there seems to be no sourced information detailing this photo and/or perhaps the importance of this particular photo against others of the entire band taken when they were together. Free images of each member of the band photoshopped together to show the entire band probably could replace this image. -- Suntag (talk) 17:06, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Um. That's a fantastically bad idea. 1) That wouldn't be a picture of the band. That would be a new photoshopping. 2) Very likely such an image would be a derivative work of all the original pictures which would be an absolute nightmare in terms of copyright issues. JoshuaZ (talk) 18:21, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
    • The combined free use photos could serve as visual identification of the band members, which is the same justification now being used on the image page for the IfD listed image. So the image seems to fail Wikipedia:NFCC#1. The absolute nightmare scenario assumes that there are no Wikipedian's willing to put together a montage of free images and release it under a free license, which shows is not the case. For non free images, serving as visual identification of the band members does not seem to "significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic" under Wikipedia:NFCC#8, a hurdle that has yet to be overcome in this deletion discussion. Also, there is no sourced evidence that the Band's notability rests in large part on their earlier visual appearance. See Non-free_content#Images 12. If you find sourced evidence that the Band's notability rests in large part on their earlier visual appearance, I would be happy to reevaluate my positon. -- Suntag (talk) 19:08, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
      • Not how it works at all. Notice how the images in that montage are all CC or GFDL. So a new image made from those can also be CC or GFDL. We cannot just take pre-existing copyrighted images, smash them together, and release it under any new license we want. It doesn't work that way at all. That's the entire point of the notion of a derivative work. JoshuaZ (talk) 20:31, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
        • Where I wrote "a montage of free images", I did not mean "a montage of pre-existing copyrighted images". -- Suntag (talk) 18:02, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
          • Okay, I decided to attempt this. Here's the problem. Other than Flikr, I don't really know where to look. So advice on other sites would be good. From Flikr, the only images are of MJK performing for Tool, as far as CC-BY licenses go. As is explained in his bio, he has a different look (much different look) when performing for A Perfect Circle. In searching for the other members, I came up pretty much empty. There's an image of Paz, but it's pretty much all pink, which is slightly weird for a montage, I think. Regardless, I can find none for the other members. Their bios are all without. :( Jennavecia ^(Talk) 05:09, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
            • I don't belive that failure to provide a free image rigt now is reason enough to use a copyrighted image. The people are still alive and free images of each member could be released. As for the public image thing, I don't know the band but after looking over the article I see no mention of their "image" being that significant. Thus this image doesnt greatly expand the readers udnerstanding of the topic and is mearly provided for identification. Nowhere in the liscense that the uploader has assigned it does it say this image can be used primarily for identification purposes, unliek say cover art for albums. REZTER ^TALK ø 12:20, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
  • (←) Rezter, indeed, the license does say that in the BLP stipulation; it also continues or showing that this image is difficult to replace by a free-licensed equivalent. Clearly, we have shown that. As an aside, the info about Maynard's look is here, second paragraph. I should probably work that into the APC article. Jennavecia ^(Talk) 16:15, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Image:NBA_on_CBS_Farewell.gif

Image:NBA_on_CBS_Farewell.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).

• No correct purpose given; Very big image (10 MG); If there is a reason to be kept, I suggest re-upload it in OGG format OsamaK 16:47, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

• Delete - (Wow! NBA on CBS seems to be the motherload of video images on Wikipedia. My brouser's still trying to load that page.) My first impression is that the video's presence in the NBA on CBS would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic under Wikipedia:NFCC#8. The video captures CBS's summary of what it meant to CBS to host coverage of the NBA for 17 years in a way that would be hard to convey in words. The video captures the end of an era for not only CBS Sports, but also, the NBA. But then you look at the article and it has loads of these "monumental" moment fair use videos. The article sourcing is to blogs and the like and certainly does not justify so many non free images. With so many videos and images in the article, this particular image does not rise above all the other article images to significantly increase readers' understanding. If the image was the only one or two in the article, then I think it could meet Wikipedia:NFCC#8. Until then, it doesn't meet Wikipedia:NFCC#8 for NBA on CBS. Since it's removal from NBA on CBS will cause the image to be orphaned, delete from Wikipedia on that basis. -- Suntag (talk) 18:53, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Image:HenrythefonzZuckerkorn.JPG

Image:HenrythefonzZuckerkorn.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Curtsurly (notify | contribs).

• fails WP:NFCC8 - not necessary to understand article, seems to be a more or less random screenshot Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:23, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - No sourced information indicating that the image is representative of the main topic of List of Arrested Development minor characters, namely that character Barry Zuckerkorn is representative of all minor characters in Arrested Development. It is an example of a minor character, but there is no showing why its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic. In other words, without a sourced discussion in the article between the topical intersection of this image of Barry Zuckerkorn and minor characters in Arrested Development, I don't think the image could meet Wikipedia:NFCC#8. -- Suntag (talk) 18:38, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Image:Amwilkinson.jpg

Image:Amwilkinson.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Smbuchanan (notify | contribs).

• The licence of the picture is not right, there is a copyright on this picture. FAQ of the Website say: « Images from the site may NOT be used for unauthorized reproduction or sale under any circumstances. » Sylfred1977 (talk) 20:03, 10 September 2008 (CET)

• Delete - No evidence to support free license and fails Wikipedia:NFCC#1 fair use license since free equivalent could be created that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose. -- Suntag (talk) 18:24, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Image:Msn messenger 9.0 wave3.jpg

Image:Msn messenger 9.0 wave3.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Bebo2good1 (notify | contribs).

• Incorrect license. Microsoft has also DMCA'd sites displaying this image. ViperSnake151 19:44, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Free use license does not seem supported by evidence. However, it is unlikely that a free use image is available. Also, its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of Version 9.0 (2009). I think Wikipedia fair use would be available for this image. I don't think Microsoft has sent the Wikipedia office a DMCA request, so we might be jumping the gun to delete it on that basis. Keep and have the license fixed. -- Suntag (talk) 17:47, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
• Speedy delete - The image is unpublished and characterized as "A Leaked shot of Windows Live Messenger 9.0 BETA 14.0.3921.717, powered by Windows Live Wave 3."[1] -- Suntag (talk) 17:49, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Image:Chinohillssanbernardino.gif

Image:Chinohillssanbernardino.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Ab189 (notify | contribs).

• Orphaned image with inaccurate highlighting and superior, accurate version on Commons (Image:San Bernardino County California Incorporated and Unincorporated areas Chino Hills Highlighted.svg). - AWeenieMan (talk) 23:28, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete Inaccurate, with better quality available.~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 00:37, 16 September 2008 (UTC)