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Image:!!Bob .Q. Johnson!!.jpg

Image:!!Bob .Q. Johnson!!.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Bobby Jonny‎ (notify | contribs).

Orphaned and suspect tagging.- Esprit15d 20:37, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Holmium(III)_oxide.png

Image:Holmium(III)_oxide.png (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Mets501 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned. Per [1], this is apparently inaccurate, as well, but that wasn't a condition for speedy deletion. -- RG ² 01:17, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

original research narrative about real estate investment - PDF, not an image, but I didn't know where else to list it Calliopejen1 13:40, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:-BoP-_Winged_Crest.png

Image:-BoP-_Winged_Crest.png (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by O0Salku0o (notify | contribs).

orphan, unclear encyclopedic value Calliopejen1 13:42, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:02130050.jpg

Image:02130050.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Yournecs (notify | contribs).

orphan, unclear encyclopedic value - where is this? Calliopejen1 13:47, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Move to commons - it's PD, what does it hurt there?--Esprit15d 21:09, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:0212352212.JPG

Image:0212352212.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Tami24 (notify | contribs).

looks like someone nominated this for deletion before btu the tag was never removed and i don't konw how it was resolved, so i'm relisting it. extremely blurry personal photo of dog, orphan. Calliopejen1 13:48, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:02-02-07_0929.jpg

Image:02-02-07_0929.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Loobie_Loo (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 13:49, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:J_equihua.jpg

Image:J_equihua.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Jekiwi (notify | contribs).

orphaned, apparently unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 14:00, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:J-ROZ_1.jpg

Image:J-ROZ_1.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Yiyo2s (notify | contribs).

orphan image, image page apparently being used as "article" about non-notable entertainer Calliopejen1 14:02, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:J_mexico.jpg

Image:J_mexico.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Yiyo2s (notify | contribs).

see nomination immediately above, image page being used as article about non-notable singer, image orphaned otherwise Calliopejen1 14:03, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Breakground_jroz.jpg

Image:Breakground_jroz.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Yiyo2s (notify | contribs).

used in imagespace "article" about non-notable singer Calliopejen1 14:04, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Jroz_and_Ethos_Logo07.jpg

Image:Jroz_and_Ethos_Logo07.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Yiyo2s (notify | contribs).

used in imagespace "article" about non-notable singer whose mainspace article was speedy-deleted Calliopejen1 14:05, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:TheSistem.jpg

Image:TheSistem.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Yiyo2s (notify | contribs).

used in imagespace "article" about non-notable singer whose mainspace article was speedy-deleted Calliopejen1 14:06, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Jrozdvd.jpg

Image:Jrozdvd.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Yiyo2s (notify | contribs).

used in imagespace "article" about non-notable singer whose mainspace article was speedy-deleted Calliopejen1 14:06, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:The(SIS)Tem.jpg

Image:The(SIS)Tem.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Yiyo2s (notify | contribs).

used in imagespace "article" about non-notable singer whose mainspace article was speedy-deleted Calliopejen1 14:07, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:J-lo.JPG

Image:J-lo.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by 1mailliam1 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 14:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:J-Tangstad.JPG

Image:J-Tangstad.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Cstoel (notify | contribs).

orphaned, unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 14:12, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:J-ro_1.JPG

Image:J-ro_1.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Rosharon_don (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 14:13, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:J._Oliver_Johnson_Marines.jpg

Image:J._Oliver_Johnson_Marines.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Littledaveyjones (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 14:15, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:J.Bernauer.jpg

Image:J.Bernauer.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Joelnaldo (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, possible Copyright violation Calliopejen1 14:16, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JA.jpg

Image:JA.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Lsomilleda (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 14:22, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JACKVIPER_sleaze_rock_band.jpg

Image:JACKVIPER_sleaze_rock_band.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Eddcooper (notify | contribs).

likely copyvio - band publicity shot Calliopejen1 14:25, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JACKET_COVER_-_IOPS.jpg

Image:JACKET_COVER_-_IOPS.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Nauk (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, likely Copyright violation Calliopejen1 14:25, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JACKET_COVER_-_THE_FANATICS.jpg

Image:JACKET_COVER_-_THE_FANATICS.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Nauk (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, likely Copyright violation Calliopejen1 14:26, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JAMES_PENIATA.jpg

Image:JAMES_PENIATA.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Henryalter (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 14:27, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JAMES_SOMMERVILLE.jpg

Image:JAMES_SOMMERVILLE.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by JamesASommerville (notify | contribs).

vanity image for user whose attempts to turn James Sommerville into a vanity page were summarily reverted Calliopejen1 14:29, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JAsonN,VEE,_ME.jpg

Image:JAsonN,VEE,_ME.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Mattslickk (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 14:30, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JANSON22.JPG

Image:JANSON22.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Zardozbooks (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, likely Copyright violation Calliopejen1 14:30, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JDIVE1.jpg

Image:JDIVE1.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by JDIVE18 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 14:32, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JGXenite_Face_20050922.jpg

Image:JGXenite_Face_20050922.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Jgxenite (notify | contribs).

orphaned image for userpage Calliopejen1 14:34, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've been meaning to get around to nominating this for deletion. As far as I am concerned, you can go ahead and delete it. ~~ [Jam]^[talk] 15:50, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JG-PressKit.pdf

Image:JG-PressKit.pdf (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Jasongilbert83 (notify | contribs).

yep, someone just uploaded their PDF press kit Calliopejen1 14:38, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JD_Lisa.JPG

Image:JD_Lisa.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by JD_Lisa (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 14:40, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This a photo of me, and it's posted on my user page. I would like to keep it. JD Lisa (talk) 19:06, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the media below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

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Image:Danceswithwolves2.jpg

Image:Danceswithwolves2.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Blofeld_of_SPECTRE (notify | contribs).

Image is rationaled for use in American films of 1990 with: "For an article covering the films released in the USA in 1990, one single screenshot identifying the Academy Award winning film of that year in the absence of any other images significantly contribrutes to the article and illustrates the role and significance of that film in cinemtatic history." Article only makes one reference to Dances with Wolves: "Dances with Wolves won the Academy Award for Best Picture." This image does not significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, nor would its omission would be detrimental to that understanding (WP:NFCC#8).
Image is used in the article Dances with Wolves, but is not rationaled for that usage. Further, it does not seem as though the article would substantially benefit sufficient to satisfy the WP:NFCC. — pd_THOR ^{| =/\=} | 15:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I think you'll find it is now rationaled and the image is useful as an example of film in 1990 -an Academy Award winning film. I spoke to Videmus Omnia about it and as long as it has a full rationale he didn't see any reason to delete them. PLease don;t waste my time and effort ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 15:16, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - A "full rationale" isn't particularly the issue so much as unnecessary usage is. Realize, I could provide a "full rationale" for putting a copyrighted image of Mickey Mouse into the article White House, but unless there's a encyclopedic necessary purpose for it, it doesn't meet muster.
    As for your time management, I don't really have any personal influence over the dictates of your schedule. — pd_THOR ^{| =/\=} | 16:30, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- (EC) Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk · contribs) rationaled this image for usage in Dances with Wolves with: "The image is significant in identifying the subject of the article, which is the film or film character itself." I would argue that a titular image would be most apropos for this purpose should one be required at all.
  Same user reformatted the rationale for American films of 1990, adding that: "The image is used as an example of the most acclaimed film of that year and helps identify it for encyclopedic purposes. The use of the image in the article certainly does not affect the copywright holder to profit from the film in any way." The Caucasoid man riding a horse does not increase the readers' understanding that Dances with Wolves won an Academy Award, the provided text performs that excellently. As for the copyright holder's profitability, I neither know our effect on it, nor argue that I do.
  Lastly, same user removed IfD notice from the image description page. — pd_THOR ^{| =/\=} | 16:30, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image deleted, Handily fails WP:NFCC #8 in both articles. -Nv8200p talk 13:10, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Image:JAFRs.jpg

Image:JAFRs.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Tom.brinkydoo (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 15:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JAppleyard.jpg

Image:JAppleyard.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Stocksbridge (notify | contribs).

orphan, unclear encyclopedic value Calliopejen1 15:16, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JB_Dumont2.png

Image:JB_Dumont2.png (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by JB_Dumont (notify | contribs).

orphan, presumably originally for use on userpage Calliopejen1 15:17, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JB_GOOFY_SMILE_JULY_07O.jpg

Image:JB_GOOFY_SMILE_JULY_07O.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Mediamanjwb (notify | contribs).

orphan, unclear encyclopedic value, probably originally used on userpage Calliopejen1 15:18, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Passport Size -1.jpg

Image:Passport Size -1.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Nijilibrahim (notify | contribs).

Does not link anywhere, image of a person with no claim to meeting WP:N, so unlikely to have a legit use Fabrictramp 15:22, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JCBC_DAIICT.jpg

Image:JCBC_DAIICT.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Rohan_mathur (notify | contribs).

likely copyvio - though it uses pd-self tag, source is a copyrighted website Calliopejen1 15:24, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JCCpool.jpg

Image:JCCpool.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Sebwite (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 15:26, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JCJinItaly.jpg

Image:JCJinItaly.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by MilesAndMiles (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, unclear encyclopedic value, name of photographer is not the same as username (copyvio?) Calliopejen1 15:27, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JCMorgan1.jpg

Image:JCMorgan1.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Darkelement502 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 15:28, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JCL_Fundamentals.pdf

Image:JCL_Fundamentals.pdf (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Cvvisu (notify | contribs).

PDF presentation - possible copyvio, unclear encyclopedic value, orphan Calliopejen1 15:30, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JCbw3.jpg

Image:JCbw3.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Jccoppola (notify | contribs).

orphan, probably originally intended for userpage Calliopejen1 15:33, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JCrutch.JPG

Image:JCrutch.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by JCrutch (notify | contribs).

this photo upload is the user's only contribution, presumably it's a self-portrait (orphaned) Calliopejen1 15:36, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JD_Pix-2.jpg

Image:JD_Pix-2.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Jguess06 (notify | contribs).

this is user's only contribution - presumably a self-portrait (orphan) Calliopejen1 15:38, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JD021407small.jpg

Image:JD021407small.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by PurpleFunk7 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 15:38, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JEFFKEILHOLTZ1.JPG

Image:JEFFKEILHOLTZ1.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Maryannmann (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, likely copyvio (source = copyrighted website) Calliopejen1 15:41, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JDScreenShot.jpg

Image:JDScreenShot.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Babaev (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, almost certainly a Copyright violation Calliopejen1 15:42, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JDS_pic.jpg

Image:JDS_pic.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Jefferyds (notify | contribs).

orphan, unclear encyclopedic value, unclear source (and copyright status) Calliopejen1 15:42, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JDR_chinese_peace.png

Image:JDR_chinese_peace.png (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Ionas68224 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 15:43, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JERRYJACKSON.jpg

Image:JERRYJACKSON.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Tomurphy2000 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 15:48, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JESSICA.JPG

Image:JESSICA.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Jessica_Allanic (notify | contribs).

orphan, presumably for use on userpage Calliopejen1 15:49, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JEsmondeBarry.jpg

Image:JEsmondeBarry.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Justinpbarry (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, unclear encyclopedic value Calliopejen1 15:50, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JFDD.jpg

Image:JFDD.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Ricojfdd (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 15:51, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:FSM Pirates.jpg

Image:FSM Pirates.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by H2g2bob (notify | contribs).

Obsoleted by Image:FSM Pirates.png. +mt 16:01, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Changing the image away from a true copy of the original isn't a good idea in my view. This is just an excel graph, but the "big thing" about it is that it was sent as part of the Open Letter. Changing it away from that doesn't improve the quality. --h2g2bob (talk) 22:37, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see what you are saying. There is a slightly better (but still JPEG) version of the original chart through archive.org, but it still is not a clean as the regenerated chart that I made. There are two options:

use the original JPEG (this one doesn't have a watermark) here, or
use a PNG version that is very similar.

(I'm neutral, with a slight bias toward option 2, although they are both authentically cheesy and intended to be non-professional}. Thoughts/votes? +mt 04:58, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JFiS_hero.jpg

Image:JFiS_hero.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Srg12 (notify | contribs).

orphan, unclear encyclopedic value, no source, possible copyvio Calliopejen1 16:04, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JGunnPic.jpg

Image:JGunnPic.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Pdotisparron (notify | contribs).

image page of non-notable musician used as vanity article Calliopejen1 16:06, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JHU_065.jpg

Image:JHU_065.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Ottawa80 (notify | contribs).

orphan, unclear encyclopedic value Calliopejen1 16:09, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Not orphaned anymore. Kept. —An gr 16:40, 8 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JS1.jpg

Image:JS1.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Mikeyf62 (notify | contribs).

orphan, unclear encyclopedic value, no source Calliopejen1 16:12, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JVpic.png

Image:JVpic.png (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Alexandermonea (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 16:13, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JWE360.png

Image:JWE360.png (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Stephen_Silver (notify | contribs).

unclear encyclopedic value, and unclear whether Stephen Silver has the right to release John Wesley Etheridge's translation into the public domain Calliopejen1 16:14, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JULIANsm.jpg

Image:JULIANsm.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Kingpin23 (notify | contribs).

orphan, likely copyvio/vanity (sourced to myspace) Calliopejen1 16:18, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JUL-25.JPG

Image:JUL-25.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Mrizwank (notify | contribs).

orphan, no source, unclear encyclopedic value, unclear copyright status Calliopejen1 16:19, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JT-Rappa-Man.jpg

Image:JT-Rappa-Man.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Misterbond37 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 16:20, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JT1-Wiki.jpg

Image:JT1-Wiki.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Eagameboy (notify | contribs).

orphan, no source, unclear encyclopedic value Calliopejen1 16:20, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JSargent.jpg

Image:JSargent.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by SFS1978 (notify | contribs).

orphan, unclear encyclopedic value Calliopejen1 16:30, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JSK.jpg

Image:JSK.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Jsamuelcook2 (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 16:33, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:HITS 06 BANNER 2.jpg

Image:HITS 06 BANNER 2.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Hoops In The Sun (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, and {{GFDL-self}} tag is certainly bogus. —An gr 19:15, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Butt33.jpg

Image:Butt33.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Bill Bei (notify | contribs).

The image was originally uploaded and used on the Buttocks article. People have removed and reinserted the image from the article at various times, and I have removed it lately. The reasons for the removals generally are: 1) the image really adds nothing to the article (as there is also already a picture of the male buttocks on the article); 2) the image is rather gratuitous and exploitive of males and wrestlers in general and exploitive of the body (especially, the buttocks) of the wrestler in the photo in particular; 3) with that, the image could also pose the potential for "niche fantasies" as one person on the Talk:Buttocks page pointed out. I agree with all of the reasons, and this image should be deleted since it has no profitable use for the Buttocks article or for Wikipedia. Wikiman86 20:55, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In short, the photo is orphaned and unencyclopedic. Wikiman86 21:05, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I agree that the image is redundant to the article Buttocks, and I doubt there is any other legitimate use for it in Wikipedia. Also I agree that this picture is exploitative of the subject in question unless he himself specifically approved of its use for any purpose. Without evidence to that effect, it's probably not ethical to use it, even if technically it's legal. But the strongest criteria for deletion is that it's orphaned and not useful to Wikipedia. -kotra 07:39, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Source_code_sample.jpg

Image:Source_code_sample.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by timhowardriley (notify | contribs).

OB; replaced with Image:Computer_program_source_code.jpg Timhowardriley 22:05, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the media below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was:

Image:Vijaya-karnataka.jpg

Image:Vijaya-karnataka.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Naveenbm (notify | contribs).

Taking a picture or scan of a copyrighted work, just to show off that copyrighted work, doesn't result in a free work. -- RG ² 23:25, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - This is not a scan or a faithful reproduction of a 2D image and very far from being of any use commercially. Vijaya Karnataka has their paper neatly scanned (faithful reproduction) on their own website and this can hardly be of any competition to their interests. This is a photograph of a newspaper and is perfectly legit for wikipedia. If anything, feel free to upload a lo-res/smaller version of the file. That doesnt call for deletion, though. Sarvagnya 01:36, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Whether it's of use commercially, whether other papers are available, and whether we can upload a low-resolution version is all irrelevant -- that fact is, I don't see how this is free. -- RG² 04:57, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - This is free. It is a photograph(not even a faithful reproduction(scan)) of a newspaper(top half of the front page) and it has the name of the paper written all over it. There is no question of the newspaper being robbed of any of its rights. Also, a newspaper is as legit an object of photography as anything else. Anyway, can you show me what in wiki policy is against this? If its your word against mine, I'll go with mine. Sarvagnya 07:32, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - I'm not sure exactly where it's located, as I rarely read policy. But a good understanding of copyright and Wikipedia's principles, along with some common sense, tells you that you can't take a picture of a book and call it free. You can't take an image of your television or computer screen and call the content of the screenshot free. You can't take a photo of another photograph and call it free. So why can you take a picture of a newspaper and call it free? You very clearly can't. -- RG² 09:32, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      - I most certainly have a good idea of wikipedia's principles and a fair understanding of copyrights. I myself zealously tag copyvio images. But there is nothing in my understanding which disallows taking a photograph of a newspaper... And that is exactly why I am asking you to point me to policy which can enlighten me. And please dont keep repeating that this is a scan or a 'screenshot' etc.,. This is not a faithful reproduction at all. Just as I can click a photograph of a billboard or a banana or a kettle or the pyramids, I can click a photograph of a newspaper. And common sense? What common sense? Common sense tells me that I will be pissed no end if somebody clicked a picture of mine and put it on wikipedia without my permission. But we do it to celebrities all the time. Dont we? You see Michael Jordan on the street, you take a snap of him and the next thing you know, the pic is on wikipedia... on GFDL.
      - And I am not sure that this picture will even qualify as a reproduction of a 2D object. This is a photograph taken by User:Naveenbm and he surely holds the rights over the "photograph". Even if he didnt, the whole point of guarding against cpright violations is to make sure that there is no injury to the copyright holder's interests. You neither convince me that User:Naveenbm doesnt own the copyright over this pic nor that this pic can cause injury to Vijaya Karnataka's interests. Sarvagnya 16:55, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        That's fine if I don't convince you. But why do you keep bringing up points that are completely irrelevant and closer to derailing the debate than anything else? A picture of Michael Jordan? That's not the same at all, and you're very clearly grasping at straws to find a strong example. A picture of a screenshot or a book is nonfree, while a picture of Michael Jordan is quite obviously different.
        
        An gr describes the situation well in his comment at 17:29, 1 Nov 2007. I see no valid argument for keeping this image, unless we try to argue for fair use, per KNM below. -- RG ² 22:28, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Non-free image, and we already have an image of the front page of this newspaper. —An gr 05:52, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. All we have to do is, change the licensing by using this template: {{Non-free newspaper image}}. - KNM ^Talk 16:34, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That tag is for "scans"(ie., faithful reproductions) of a newspaper.. which this is not. If there is anything in policy which disallows a photograph of a newspaper, I will be very interested to know it... for, there are plenty more pictures like this on wikipedia (i think). If there is nothing in policy which disallows releasing a 'photograph' of a newspaper into public domain, we do not have to change the tag. Sarvagnya 17:00, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep . Even I want to know which wikipedia policy says no for the usage of photograph of a news paper. All I see here are interpretations of policies which is very much left to personal POV. Rest later. Gnanapiti 17:04, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- What we really need to know here is whether this photograph would be considered a derivative work of the original newspaper front page or whether its appearance in this photograph is de minimis. I suspect the former, and think since the point of this photograph is to show the front page of the newspaper, it is just as much an infringement as a fully faithful scan of the front page would be. But IANAL, and I think even a lawyer couldn't give us a definitive answer; only a judge in a lawsuit could do that. —An gr 17:29, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Then isn't this image very much similar to the above listed image? ASAIK these two images are serving the same purpose. Wouldn't it be appropriate not to bring in individual interpretations of policies here? Gnanapiti 15:43, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The image you point to has been uploaded under a fair use claim. It does not claim to be "free." In addition, it's a scan, not a photograph. If you were to upload a scan of the first page of the newspaper under a claim of fair use for specific articles, it'd be entirely in conformity with Wikipedia's policies, and you'd meet no opposition. –– Arvind 16:08, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is worth noting that a similar image, Image:Vijaya Karnataka.jpg, has been nominated for deletion at the Wikimedia Commons. Trusted User Boricuaeddie has argued that the image be speedily deleted as a derivative work. -- RG ² 22:34, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, definitely not {{GFDL-self-no-disclaimers}} as claimed. — pd_THOR ^{| =/\=} | 23:05, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If it's the copyright status of the image that's the issue, shouldn't it be listed at Wikipedia:Copyright problems rather than here? -- Arvind 12:48, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, reduce in resolution, and add a FUR. There is no reason that {{Non-free newspaper image}} couldn't apply to a photograph as well as a scan--both are derivative works and have the same copyright status--that is, the copyright is owned by the publisher. (A faithful photo of 2D art doesn't attract its own copyright (Corel) and this is no different.) This should be removed from the two pages that are not about the newspaper, because it does not meet the significance criteria there, but it is perfectly acceptable to a have a low-res image of a newspaper on the article about the newspaper -- see New York Times, for instance. 140.247.243.169 15:53, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Will that work, and is everyone else here happy with it as a solution? I've made a low resolution version, comparable to the resolution of the NYT image which I'll upload if the answer is yes. -- Arvind 00:42, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It will have to be removed from Karnataka and Bangalore, and the other front-page image will have to be removed from Vijaya Karnataka. —An gr 06:39, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That seems fair enough to me. Are those who wanted to keep the image OK with this? -- Arvind 22:37, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ok. Sarvagnya 23:26, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Does that settle all issues with this picture? -- Arvind 10:03, 8 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image kept per this discussion, but I have tagged the image as having no fair use rationale. That issue needs to be corrected or the image will be deleted. -Nv8200p talk 13:25, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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