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Current Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre championships

In professional wrestling, championships are competed for in pre-determined matches and as a result of storylines by a professional wrestling promotion's roster of wrestlers. As of 2016, the Mexican Lucha libre or professional wrestling promotion known as Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre (Spanish for "World Wrestling Council"; CMLL) promotes 23 different championships; 12 championships are designated as World Championships for various weight divisions, 5 championships are on the national level, and 6 championships are on the regional level. The championships are divided into multiple weight classes, as well as gender specific and size-specific divisions. There are thirteen male singles championships spread out over various weight classes, three championships for tag teams, three for Trios (three-man teams), two for female competitors, and two for Mini-Estrella competitors. The oldest CMLL championship is the Mexican National Welterweight Championship, created on June 17, 1934, which is also the oldest, still active, championship in professional wrestling.

Current Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre championships

26 articles

Contributor(s): MPJ-DK

This Feature Topic is about the professional wrestling championships currently promoted by Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre (CMLL), Some of the articles with large tables have been split into an article about the championship and a list of champions. This topic covers all active championships that have articles on Wikipedia, 15 out of the 26 are Featured work, the remaining 11 are Good Articles and thus qualifies for Featured Topic. There is a navigation box that unites all subjects under one and I believe this hits all the marks for a Feature Topic.

Since the topic here is not about the champions but the championships the topic size is very stable, and does not change from year to year. There are currently three Good Topic sub topics for this feature topic, with 2 more close to being ready for GT nomination as well. This Feature Topic is the culmination of my Lucha Libre championship work that started Featured List in April 2009 and only eight short years later it's completed. I will be creating the book in the next day or two.

And yes I'll have a "Former CMLL Championship" Feature Topic candidate at some point in the future, hopefully in less than 8 years from now. MPJ-DK 00:03, 11 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Update March 4 - the CMLL World Heavyweight Championship article is now a Featured Article as well. MPJ-DK 16:11, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Topic seems fine, but please expand the lead. Nergaal (talk) 09:50, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Nergaal: that is a fair point, I have expanded it with some detail from the main article. Better?? MPJ-DK 19:24, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Nergaal: - I have expanded the lead, does that work for you? If so I'd love your support. MPJ-DK 16:11, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support in principle. Nergaal (talk) 00:27, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support - great work! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:28, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Overall, it looks good, however, there's a discrepancy in the summary. You said that the Mexican National Lightweight Championship was created in 1932, but the article says June 28, 1934, and then the Mexican National Welterweight Championship says it was created on June 17, 1934, which actually makes it older. The summary on the Welterweight title only says that it's the oldest in the U.S., Canada, and Japan, but nowhere else. That to me says that there's actually an older title that's still active, it's just not promoted in those 3 countries. The source on the article is from 2000, so that may or may not still be true. --JDC808 ♫ 21:13, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@JDC808: You are right about the discrepancy and that the Welterweight is actually older, I'll check my sources to see if I can figure out where the 1932 figure comes from (unless it was a brainfart - which I freely admit can happen). I'll track down the US/Can/Japan claim but I that's just an unfortunately restrictive phrase used, the scope is world wide as far as I'm aware, but again I've got the book I'll check. Side note - if it's listed as "the oldest" in 2000 and still exists today then that is still the truth unless we invoke time travel. MPJ-DK 21:25, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's listed as the oldest for those three countries, but not the world. For example, Europe or some other country may have an active pro-wrestling title that's still active, but not promoted in the US, Canada, or Japan. The other comment was that maybe it is in fact the oldest active title now. As in, maybe at that time (2000), there was an older active title in another country, but that older title has since been retired. --JDC808 ♫ 21:44, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That is a big old D'oh on my part for misreading the magazine comment. MPJ-DK 22:25, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Cannot find the 1932 date but I have adjusted for the Welterweight being the oldest, not just older than US/Canada/Japan but world wide as far as I can find. MPJ-DK 22:24, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest to say that it's "one of the oldest" until there's definitive evidence to support that it is in fact the oldest still active world wide. --JDC808 ♫ 22:47, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

So I actually did that research in the past, I just had the date for the Lightweight creation when I checked the Wrestling Titles history book a while back, not noticing that the Welterweight predated it by a little. Part of my search is also based on the age of promotions - with no other active promotins dating to 1934 I found no championships with unbroken lieage dating back that far. MPJ-DK 22:59, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support Looks good!LM2000 (talk) 08:11, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support pending the creation of a book for the topic. --Pres N 01:16, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Closed with a consensus to promote to Featured Topic.--十八 23:32, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]