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This is the second nomination after the first premature nomination. Since that time, I've put a large amount of work into the article, had it peer reviewed, and put in even more work. This article is referenced a lot by various websites, so I think it's vital to get this article to FA status. – ClockworkSoul 05:41, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. (points addressed) Hi ClockworkSoul. I would like to offer a couple of observations:
    • I think "Mechanism of action" and "metabolism" should share one main heading, as related to pharmacology. They are currently under "Effects", but, as precursors to effects, should probably come before "Effects" in the article.
      • Added a "pharmacolgy" section to enclose "Mechanism of action", "metabolism", and "tolerance/withdrawl". "Effects" is a less technical section, and I think that it serves as a good lead in to the more technical aspects of pharmacology. – ClockworkSoul 15:25, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • With all of the popular press about the possible benefits of caffeine, I see very little reference to that research in the article. It focuses mostly on the adversities (although I see some of the "benefits" in the Mechanism section).
    • Could the "caffeine equivalents" listing be made a note/appendix to the article? It breaks up the flow somewhat.
      • I thought about this a bit... I worked it into a relatively small table and moved it to one side. I'm not entirely happy with it yet, but I think it's an improvement. What do you think? – ClockworkSoul 15:25, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
        • Much better! I would move it to somewhere on the right margin though. I'm going to remove line breaks from the chem-box for "other names", to decrease its length. If this violates chem-box rules, please revert.
  • What you have accomplished with this article is very good, and it's a tough topic to feature, ranging from chemistry to popular culture, and everything in between. Thanks, Outriggr 10:44, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Comment: Mostly minor things, but:
    • There should be no spaces between periods and references, or between references for that matter.
    • There was one [citation needed] tag in the article.
    • The introduction is supposed to give a general overview of the article, so references are rarely required there. With so many references in the introduction, are you sure the introduction is just giving an overview of the article?
    • The infobox is great, but very wide. I understand that each entry there needs alot of space, but is there any this can be fixed up?
  • Cheers, darkliight[πalk] 11:02, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks for addressing these, but I have one more request before I support. Is there any chance the SVG's could be fixed rather than replaced with the PNG's? Icey seemed more than happy to do them last night, so I don't think he will mind fixing whatever needs to be fixed. Cheers, darkliight[πalk] 10:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'm sure that won't be a mojor problem. When I redid the images to include some suggestions, my attempts to convert them from PNG to SVG were spectacularly unsuccessful. I hope that Icey won't mind doing it again. – ClockworkSoul 13:11, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
        • I thought the old SVGs could just be modified, not have to be completly redone, so sorry about that. I just noticed too, that the Caffeine equivalents table should use metric measurements primarily per WP:MOS regarding scientific articles. darkliight[πalk] 16:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
          • I've updated the SVG's to fix the errors. Lte me know if anything else needs changing with them and I'll get it sorted. Icey 23:42, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
            • Okay: the (beautiful) new SVG's are now happily set in the article. Also, I replaced the "caffeine equivalents" entirely to present information that's a little more useful (and yes, metric measurements are primary). – ClockworkSoul 00:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Support Here's some suggestions. I've crossed out anything I've done, but you may like to review those because you'll know the article much better than I do. I know nothing about Caffeine, so I haven't really looked at it from a content view.
  • I hope that's useful to you. I got an edit conflict while submitting this, so most of these things have probably been suggested already... Icey 11:18, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good article. Only one thing to add to the comments above:

  • The first sentence of the lead is a difficult read, would it be possible to reword it to reduce the number of clauses? Maybe split it into multiple sentences, moving the portion about "also known as" to a second sentence and concentrating on the most commonly known name of "caffeine" in the first sentence.

Thanks, RainbowCrane | Talk 03:26, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Done - See if you like it. -Ravedave 05:11, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I added some concerns, especially about the structural drawings, to the Talk page before I saw that we were talking about it here on the FAC page. DMacks 20:59, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • The structural mistakes are now fixed. Bit of color cleanup still needed (some nitrogens are black instead of blue...comment left on ). But overall...
    • Support. This is a well-written article that has "something for everyone"...many facets of the topic discussed at many different levels/target audiences. Mechanical aspects of the writing is looks good, and info seems well-referenced. DMacks 05:21, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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