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= December 3 =

== Journalistic ==
What's the template that should be used if an article is written in a journalistic style/obviously copied from a news source? Or should it just be deleted or something? [[User:Petero9|Petero9]] ([[User talk:Petero9|talk]]) 00:05, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:See [[Template:Copyvio]]. You can use that template or any of the ones in the see also section according to your need. If it is a blatant copyright violation it must be deleted under [[WP:CSD]] criteria G12. Cheers. [[User:Chamal_N|'''<span style="color:#000080">C</span>h<span style="color:#0000FF">a</span><span style="color:#4169E1">m</span><span style="color:#1E90FF">a</span><span style="color:#87CEEB">l</span>''']] [[User talk:Chamal_N|<sup>talk</sup>]] 00:30, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== How?? ==

How do you set up a wikipedia page for someone? This is not easy. {{unsignedIP|67.201.10.75|00:14, 3 December 2008}}
:[[Image:Symbol move vote.svg|20px]] Please '''see [[Wikipedia:Your first article|Your first article]].'''
#Ensure that you have an account and you are [[Special:Userlogin|logged in]]. If you don't have an account, create one
#[[WP:N|Make sure the subject is notable enough to have their own article]]
#Find [[WP:REF|references]]
#Make sure no article on the subject exists under a different title by typing the subject into the search box to the left (←) and clicking 'Search'
#Type the page name in the search box to the left (←) and click 'Go'
#Click 'Create this page'
#Create the article, including all your references, making sure you adhere to the [[WP:MOS|Manual of Style]] and our [[WP:LAYOUT|article layout guidelines]]
#Be aware that Wikipedia [[WP:WWMPD|deletes thousands of new articles]] for failing to adhere to our [[WP:POLICY|policies and guidelines]]. New articles by new users are at extra risk of deletion, due to new users' unfamiliarity with our rules. Consider gaining experience by [[Wikipedia:Cleanup|editing existing articles]] before attempting to create new ones<!-- Template:HD --> You might also want to read [[WP:BIO]]. Cheers. [[User:Chamal_N|'''<span style="color:#000080">C</span>h<span style="color:#0000FF">a</span><span style="color:#4169E1">m</span><span style="color:#1E90FF">a</span><span style="color:#87CEEB">l</span>''']] [[User talk:Chamal_N|<sup>talk</sup>]] 00:25, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== Templates not updating? ==

[[User:TonyTheTiger]] made some edits to a whole bunch of cities, to add references to [[Template:CA_cities_and_mayors_of_100,000_population]], which all was fine. But I noticed that the text being displayed for those links, for instance at the bottom of [[Sunnyvale,_California]] contained poor English ("in the California", for instance). So he fixed that text on the template. It displays correctly on the template page now, but not in any of the references on the cities' pages (look for the blue external reference at the bottom of any major CA city's page referring to 100k population). Why didn't these get updated as part of his change? Is there a lag involved because of pages needing to be rebuilt? [[User:Jokeboy|Jokeboy]] ([[User talk:Jokeboy|talk]]) 01:10, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
*If templates are trascluded, you need to [[WP:PURGE]] your browser cache, so your browser loads a fresh copy of the template. - [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm]]|[[User talk:MacGyverMagic|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 01:19, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
**That the page needs to be purged is not a proper solution because this is a problem for persons who do not have cached versions of the page stored. This is a different problem unrelated to purging. See my thread above on the same issue.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|c]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|bio]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:LOTM]]) </small> 01:39, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Mgm gave the right link to [[WP:PURGE]] but described it wrong. Purging is not about the browser cache. It is about Wikipedia's own cache. Purging an article fixes the problem, but don't purge all those articles for this detail. The articles are placed in the job queue when the template is edited and they will automatically be updated at some time. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 02:32, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::*Oops. - [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm]]|[[User talk:MacGyverMagic|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 08:40, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
****Great, that worked just fine, as expected. Now a related question. Is there a way to do a mass purge of all pages that refer to a common template? Or is the only option to wait until the servers update all of the pages on their own? Having to go and manually purge fifty pages just because of a minor template update is annoying. [[User:Jokeboy|Jokeboy]] ([[User talk:Jokeboy|talk]]) 08:18, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
**You could see if there's a bot that does it, although I'm not sure how exactly to look for it [[User:PurgeBot]] does not exist. - [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm]]|[[User talk:MacGyverMagic|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 08:40, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== Restore logs ==

How come when searching through the logs of admins, there is no option to search for restore logs? Every other log can be [[Special:Log|searched]] except this. Can one be made? [[Special:Contributions/137.154.73.31|137.154.73.31]] ([[User talk:137.154.73.31|talk]]) 02:01, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

:Do you mean the log of page undeletions? They're listed in with the deletion log - for example, "15:42, 3 December 2008 Skier Dude (Talk | contribs) restored "Image:The Hudsucker Proxy Movie.jpg" ‎ (2 revisions and 1 file restored)". [[User:ConMan|Confusing Manifestation]]<small>([[User talk:ConMan|Say hi!]])</small> 05:53, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== electrical field ==

what is blackout?
what are the causes of this blackout? how to prevent blackout?
:Have you tried the [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/Science|Science section]] of Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Reference desk|Reference Desk]]? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: [http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Science&action=edit&section=new&editintro=Wikipedia:Reference_desk/How_to_ask click here]. I hope this helps. [[User talk:Algebraist|Algebraist]] 02:13, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
*You could simply try searching for [[Blackout]] which gives you several meanings to investigate. - [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm]]|[[User talk:MacGyverMagic|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 08:42, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== Citation Question ==

When citing a book that is on [[Project Gutenberg]], should I cite it as a book or as a web site? [[User:Horselover Frost|Horselover Frost]] ([[User talk:Horselover Frost|talk]]) 05:49, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:since it's a book, i'd cite it as a book, no matter what it's about. [[User:Sssoul|Sssoul]] ([[User talk:Sssoul|talk]]) 07:34, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
*I'd cite whatever it was you used. If you used an online version, I'd cite the specific version I used, since digitized copies of a book can contain errors the original didn't have. - [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm]]|[[User talk:MacGyverMagic|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 08:43, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== Hayley Williams ==

To whom this may concern,

Hello, my name is Marvin Smith and I am an avid fan of the band Paramore. The lead singer, Hayley Williams does not have a Wikipedia page, instead it gets directed to original Paramore page. I believe that she deserves her own page because she is a rising star in the music industry being rated the "Second Sexiest Rockstar," in the new Guitar Hero game and has a prominent role on the hit film Twilight's Soundtrack. Is there any I start a new page because I have recently opened a new account. This has been bothering me for a long time.

Regards,

Marvin <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Fueledbyhayley|Fueledbyhayley]] ([[User talk:Fueledbyhayley|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fueledbyhayley|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> 02:03, 3 December 2008 <small>— [[User:Fueledbyhayley|Fueledbyhayley]] ([[User talk:Fueledbyhayley|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fueledbyhayley|contribs]]) has made [[Wikipedia:Single purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. {{ #if: | The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added at {{{2}}} (UTC).}}</small>

:see Chamal's reply here: [[WP:Help_desk#How.3F.3F]] [[User:Sssoul|Sssoul]] ([[User talk:Sssoul|talk]]) 07:42, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== Citation Needed ==

Several awards listed on the Mr. Rogers page say "citation needed," nearly all of which could be taken care of in one fell swoop. The problem is, well, me. My computer skills are...Actually, I don't have any. I tried to add the link several times, but had too quit because my brains tried to make a break of it out of frustration. I don't know if this request is something I'm allowed to make. If it isn't, apologies...blame my squishy brain.

The web address for the link is:

http://cdn.emmys.tv/awards/halloffame/hofarchive.php

Can I ask if somebody could pop over to the page and add the citation? I read all the instructions (more than once, sadly)but I'm not kidding or trying to be disingenuous. I'm about as computer literate as a baby three day before birth.

Thank you kindly-
[[User:GoingBonkers|GoingBonkers]] ([[User talk:GoingBonkers|talk]]) 07:31, 3 December 2008 (UTC)Shannon a.k.a. Going Bonkers

:I've fixed the reference you were trying to add; the simple way to do this is to add <nowiki><ref> abc </ref></nowiki> around what you are adding as a reference (with the abc part being the actual reference). I also added some other information to it, which is usually done but not required, such as the access date and publisher and so on. [[WP:Cite]] has more information on this if you want it. [[User:AlexiusHoratius|<span style="font-size:14px;font-family:times new roman;color:navy;">'''''Alexius'''''</span>]][[User talk:AlexiusHoratius|<span style="font-size:14px;font-family:times new roman;color:darkred;">'''''Horatius''''']]</span> 07:48, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
::The three basic instruction pages you need are [[WP:FOOT]], [[WP:CITE]], and [[WP:CITET]]. Mastering footnotes on Wikipedia is not simple. Could we make it simpler? Maybe, but nobody seems to know how to make Wikipedia simpler to build while maintaining Wikipedia's status as one of the world's most popular Web sites. Becoming the best in the world at just about anything skill-based is rarely simple. For example, it was not simple for [[Michael Phelps]] to win all those gold medals. He has a lot of talent, but he also had to put his whole life into his training for the past N years. Similarly, it is not simple to become a musical [[virtuoso]], nor to start the company that becomes the next [[Google]]. If Wikipedia ever does manage to make it simple for new users to create [[WP:FA|featured articles]], that would probably imply that computers had passed the [[Turing test]] and humans were on the way to [[Technological singularity|becoming obsolete]]. Assuming you are human, you should probably be glad that learning to edit on Wikipedia is still difficult. Once computers are smart enough to make this job truly effortless, I doubt computers will still have much need for people. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 21:21, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== access of links ==

I am a student at Northern Arizona University. I am on finals week here and am trying to review for a anatomy final. I tried to access some links, diagrams and pictures that said i must request in order to view. They were in the restricted place. Any help would be appreciated, thank you.
*It would help if you gave some article titles, but based on what you said, I suspect you're talking about redlinks - articles or other material that hasn't yet been created. - [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm]]|[[User talk:MacGyverMagic|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 08:46, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
::Another possibility is that the questioner is {{Tl|Astray}}, perhaps confusing Wikipedia's article ''about'' [[Northern Arizona University]] with some Web site associated with that subject. A university Web site could well have the kinds of access restrictions the questioner refers to. On Wikipedia we don't have any "restricted places" when it comes to article content. There are some restricted features that only privileged users such as [[WP:ADMIN|administrators]] can see, but this has no relation to article content. The behavior the questioner describes does not sound like Wikipedia, it sounds more like a university site. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 21:36, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== Changing from an anonymous edit to my user name ==

Hi - I changed this page http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Peter_Tobin but didn't realise I wasn't logged in (I'll blame Google Chrome :)

I would like to change the anonymous edit I did into my user name. Is this possible?

[[User:Horrgakx|Horrgakx]] ([[User talk:Horrgakx|talk]]) 11:02, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:The only thing I can think of would be to undo the edit and redo it while logged on. Seems really unnecessary though. Unless you're referring to an edit on a talk page which you haven't signed while logged on. If that's the case, just log in and sign after what you typed. Best, [[Special:Contributions/Zain Ebrahim111|Zain Ebrahim]] ([[User talk:Zain Ebrahim111|talk]]) 11:40, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

::You may not want to do that. Occasionally, an editor will be logged out without recognizing it and post to a discussion, thus their IP shows as their signature. After the editor realizes this, they may log in and replace the signature. This may not be a good thing, as [[WikiScanner]] now trawls the database looking for these replacements and logs them at [http://wikiwatcher.virgil.gr//pmcu Poor Man's Checkuser]. --—<i><b>—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<font color = "gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</font>]]<font color = "darkblue">&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup></font></b> - </i> 12:11, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== language link ==

there are two articles that are the same but one is in english and the other in spanish.. how do i make the english/spanish link appear in the language box of each article? thanks [[User:Johnwilen|Johnwilen]] ([[User talk:Johnwilen|talk]]) 11:22, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:I trust you mean that one article is on the Spanish Wikipedia while the other is here on the English Wikipedia. Assuming that, you would go to the Spanish version, click on the "edit this page" link, scroll all the way to the bottom of the article and put in <nowiki>[[en:ARTICLE TITLE]]</nowiki> (replace the "ARTICLE TITLE" with the actual title of the English version's title. Then go to the English version and do the same except this time, you'll use "es" instead of "en". For more on this, see [[Help:Interlanguage links]]. <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:15, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
::thanks!! [[User:Johnwilen|Johnwilen]] ([[User talk:Johnwilen|talk]]) 11:22, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

==Dutch names==
How to pronounce(IPA) the [[Dutch]] mathematicians [[Jan Arnoldus Schouten]]&[[Albert Nijenhuis]](in [[Schouten-Nijenhuis bracket]])?--[[user:keyi|刻意]] 12:52, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:You'd probably be better off at the [[WP:RD/L|Language section]] of the Reference desk. [[Special:Contributions/Zain Ebrahim111|Zain Ebrahim]] ([[User talk:Zain Ebrahim111|talk]]) 12:58, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:Thanks for your suggestion.--[[user:keyi|刻意]] 13:26, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== how do i reference a journal cited in wikipedia ==

I am writing a paper which calls for me to reference the DSM-IV-TR for the definition of the word conduct disorder. This journal (DSM) is not avail online and I don't have access to a copy of it. Wikipedia references this journal in its definition of conduct disorder. How to I properly cite in my paper that I'm using Wik's reference to DSM? Must use APA style.
:Take a look at [[WP:Citing Wikipedia]]. Cheers! <b><font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font>‑<font color="midnightblue"><big><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></big></font>-<font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font></b> 16:12, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

:Have you checked your library? If they don't have it they may also be able to request a copy of the pages you need. [[User:RJFJR|RJFJR]] ([[User talk:RJFJR|talk]]) 19:12, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
::Our [[Conduct disorder]] article does a rather sloppy reference to the [[DSM-IV-TR]]. Someone who has read [[WP:FOOT]], [[WP:CITE]], and [[WP:CITET]] should edit the inline reference to follow the proper Wikipedia footnote style. The reference you refer to appears to be:
::*''The diagnostic criteria for Conduct Disorder (codes 312.xx, with xx representing digits which vary depending upon the severity, onset, etc. of the disorder) as listed in the [[DSM-IV-TR]] are as follows:''
::There is also a [[DSM-IV Codes]] article. Evidently you are asking how you should cite the DSM-IV-TR codes 312.xx section which gives the diagnostic criteria for Conduct Disorder, using [[APA style]]. Are you writing this paper for schoolwork? If so, you should ask your instructor about whether you can cite Wikipedia - many college professors mark students down for citing encyclopedias. Since the DSM is such a major work, it must be in almost every large library, so if you can't find a copy of the codes 312.xx section online, you could look it up in the paper copy at your library, see it with your own eyes, and cite that. Also see our [[APA style]] article. You might get some help by Googling:
::*{{Google|DSM-IV-TR citing with APA style}}
::That finds a bunch of clues, including:
::* [http://www.pdxwritingcenter.org/2008/11/09/how-to-cite-and-reference-the-dsm-iv-tr/ The Writing Center » How to Cite and Reference the DSM-IV-TR]
::--[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 21:01, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I look forward to the day when the [[American Psychological Association|APA]] embraces [[copyleft]], puts the DSM under the [[GFDL]], publishes it online, and adds a new disorder to the DSM: the propensity to hoard information, which is clearly antisocial behavior. The APA currently suffers from this disorder. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 21:41, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== Rollback ==

How do you add a request for Rollback? <font face="Kristen ITC">[[User:HairyPerry|<font color="8000000">Hairy</font>]][[User talk:HairyPerry|<font color="8000000">Perry</font>]]</font face> 16:06, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:[[Wikipedia:Requests for permissions]] has all of the instructions. Cheers! <b><font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font>‑<font color="midnightblue"><big><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></big></font>-<font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font></b> 16:17, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
::Alternatively, you could approach any administrator. Up to you. —'''[[User:Cyclonenim|Cyclonenim]]''' ([[User talk:Cyclonenim|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Cyclonenim|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Cyclonenim|email]]) 16:18, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't understand the instructions on what to do, could somebody help me, please. <font face="Kristen ITC">[[User:HairyPerry|<font color="8000000">Hairy</font>]][[User talk:HairyPerry|<font color="8000000">Perry</font>]]</font face> 17:35, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:Sure, which part are you getting hung up on? <b><font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font>‑<font color="midnightblue"><big><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></big></font>-<font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font></b> 17:36, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
The whole thing, I go to add the request, but it says I have to fill stuff in and I don't kow what its talking about. Something about copying and pasting that line I got that much, but what to fill in there I'm not sure about. <font face="Kristen ITC">[[User:HairyPerry|<font color="8000000">Hairy</font>]][[User talk:HairyPerry|<font color="8000000">Perry</font>]]</font face> 17:39, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:@HairyPerry: You did it quite well not even [http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Rollback&oldid=251411800 a month ago]. :) You can add your request now just as you did it then. —[[user:aitias|αἰτίας]] ''•''[[User talk:Aitias|''discussion'']]''•'' 17:48, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
The one I remember putting in, it wasn't quite like that, I didn't have to make a template or anything, I just put in my re2quest like everybody elses. <font face="Kristen ITC">[[User:HairyPerry|<font color="8000000">Hairy</font>]][[User talk:HairyPerry|<font color="8000000">Perry</font>]]</font face> 17:50, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:Simply add:

:<code> <nowiki> *{{Usercheck-short|HairyPerry}} ([[Special:Userrights/HairyPerry|<span style="color:#002bb8">'''assign permissions'''</span>]])
YOUR REQUEST ~~~~ </nowiki> </code>

:[http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Rollback&action=edit&section=1 here]. —[[user:aitias|αἰτίας]] ''•''[[User talk:Aitias|''discussion'']]''•'' 17:58, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind I got it, Thanks, <font face="Kristen ITC">[[User:HairyPerry|<font color="8000000">Hairy</font>]][[User talk:HairyPerry|<font color="8000000">Perry</font>]]</font face> 18:00, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

:The instructions in the comments of the page had been messed up a week or so ago. I went ahead and fixed them so this won't happen again. [[User:Ioeth|Ioeth]] <sub>([[User_talk:Ioeth|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Ioeth|contribs]] [[WP:FRIENDLY|friendly]])</sub> 18:54, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

==Wiktionary==
Since Wiktionary is a sister project to Wikipedia would a link to it be considered an internal link or is it a separate entity? [[User:Copana2002|Copana2002]] ([[User talk:Copana2002|talk]]) 17:25, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:I guess it's technically an external link (as it links to a different website), but it falls under the same Wikimedia umbrella. So . . . both? For the record, you can type <nowiki>[[wikt:Sophisticated|definition of Soophisticated]]</nowiki> to produce [[wikt:Sophisticated|definition of Sophisticated]]. Cheers! <b><font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font>‑<font color="midnightblue"><big><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></big></font>-<font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font></b> 17:43, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
*I would consider it an external link, since we have special boxes for wiktionary links that are supposed to go in the external links section. - [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm]]|[[User talk:MacGyverMagic|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 19:49, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== Printing issue ==

Hello,

I am trying to print out the page that I made for the company I work for "CleveMed" and when I do print it out, the 2nd and 3rd page print out blank. I printed it yesterday and it was fine. Here is the page: http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/CleveMed

Username is Dmalicki.

Thank you!
:On the left hand side of every article under toolbox you will notice a feature titled "Printable Version". Click that and then print the page you want. Hope this helps!--[[User:theoneintraining|<font color="grey">intraining</font>]] [[User talk:Theoneintraining|<font color="red"><sup>Jack In</sup></font>]] 17:59, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

:I have nominated it for speedy deletion as blatant advertising pursuant to [[WP:CSD#G12]], so you may want to print it sooner rather than later.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 18:11, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== Deleted Page ==

I try to create Calgary And District Cricket League, and every time I do that its deleted, Its not advertisement of any type, is information for people, its a Sports thats been played in Calgary since 1908. I am not promoting any profitable thing. can I know why is that? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Nadeem.altaf|Nadeem.altaf]] ([[User talk:Nadeem.altaf|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nadeem.altaf|contribs]]) 18:36, 3 December 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned2 -->

:It has been deleted twice, neither time for being advertising: first in August 2007 as a [[WP:COPYVIO|copyright violation]], second in September 2008 under [[WP:CSD#A1]] as not providing sufficient context for the reader. If you wish to re-create it, please read [[WP:YFA]], [[WP:N]], [[WP:RS]] and [[WP:Spam]] to get you going.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 18:56, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
::The article to which he is referring is actually [[Calgary & District Cricket League]] which was G11ed earlier today. [[User:Ioeth|Ioeth]] <sub>([[User_talk:Ioeth|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Ioeth|contribs]] [[WP:FRIENDLY|friendly]])</sub> 19:00, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Ooops, I was looking at [[Calgary and District Cricket League]]...&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 19:11, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== Deleted article ==

Hello,

I noticed that a page I created was deleted due to blatant advertising after I clearly made the article out to be NOT advertising related. What would you recommend me to do for the recreation of the page to get it posted properly? I want to be able to use the same name of the article as well, "CleveMed".{{signed|Dmalicki}}

:It was nominated for deletion by me and deleted by [[User:Orangemike|OrangeMike]]. I also note that it was actually created by [[User:Jerushamichael]]. Even though it was not intended to be advertising, it read as if it was written by the company's PR agency. I would suggest that you re-create it as a user [[WP:SUBPAGES|subpage]] first and have it reviewed by a few editors before it is moved to the mainspace. I have created a subpage for you at [[User:Dmalicki/CleveMed]]. Also please read [[WP:YFA]], [[WP:CORP]], [[WP:Spam]] and [[WP:RS]].&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 19:17, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
::And read [[WP:WWMPD]]. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 20:19, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
::It is possible that this firm is notable enough that it should have an article; but the deleted article was not that article. And the persistent efforts of this user ([[User:Dmalicki|Dmalicki]], formerly [[User:Jerushamichael|Jerushamichael]] before getting locked out; see query several paragraphs above this one) to have their name changed to CleveMed indicate a deepseated conflict of interest and a failure to understand our COI rules. --[[User:Orangemike|<font color="darkorange">Orange Mike</font>]] &#x007C; [[User talk:Orangemike|<font color="orange">Talk</font>]] 14:51, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

== Adding images to articles ==

I'm sorry to ask so many dumb questions. I uploded 2 images that apparently did make it here. My questions are about getting the images into my article. Do I hit the part that says image gallery on the edit page? How would I type the command in for an image simply called Image: Slide 15? I tried to use the form that other images use, but the caption comes on, but not the image.
Thanks
Jim [[User:Jimmarsmars|Jimmarsmars]] ([[User talk:Jimmarsmars|talk]]) 19:44, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

:I see one of the images at [[:Image:Slide15.JPG]] (note no space between "Slide" and "15" and JPG in caps), using similar logic, [[:Image:Slide14.jpg]] appears to be an unrelated image. Did you get any error messages when you uploaded?.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 20:00, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I did not get any error message.

::OK further research reveals that they are both on [[commons:Main Page|Commons]]. The problem is that there is already a file on Wikipedia called Slide14.jpg. The problem would probably be solved by renaming both images with more descriptive names.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 20:17, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I wanted to rename but did not know how or how to get to where I they could be renamed.
Thanks
Jim [[User:Jimmarsmars|Jimmarsmars]] ([[User talk:Jimmarsmars|talk]]) 20:26, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

:You received a welcome message on [[commons:User talk:Jimmarsmars|your Commons talk page]] with a number of links one of which deals with renaming. In any event, you have to re-upload the images, but make sure that on the upload form, you put the name you want to use in the "Destination filename" box. When they have been re-uploaded, you should then go to the old image pages and tag them for deletion using Commons' <tt>{{[[Template:Bad name|bad name]]|''correct name''}}</tt> template, replacing the ''correct name'' text with the new file name. Hope this helps.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 20:54, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


Somehow, I reuploaded the images and put them in an article. I also was able to upload some other images and added them to articles. I'm trying to do the deletion thing. I'm completely lost on this so far. I read the pages over and over. I guess I have to keep reading them and pray for some inspiration. I see things about putting them in categories so others can use them. That's a good idea, but agian I'm lost so I'll have to read some more. I feel like a rat in a maze, a dumb rat. Thanks for your patience. I'm sorry I'm old and dumb.


::If you find yourself asking a lot of questions as you try to do things on the [[English Wikipedia]] or on [[WP:COMMONS|Commons]], that means you haven't spent enough time [[Help:Contents|reading the friendly manuals here]] or [[WP:EIW#Commons|on Commons]]. The instructions for virtually every task you can need to do on these sites are in writing somewhere. It's normal to have a few questions, but to make much headway on a [[do it yourself]] system like Wikipedia (or Commons), you have to figure out how to answer most of your own questions, which means figuring out where to look up the answers. The first step is to read a lot of our manuals so you get a general idea of the jargon we use, and where things are. Then study the search tools we use to [[Wikipedia:Help desk/How to answer#How to look up definitive answers|answer questions on the Help desk]]. Reading the manuals is analogous to sharpening the axe before you chop down the tree. The more time you spend sharpening the axe, the less time you spend chopping the tree. If it feels like you are trying to chop down a tree with a brick, then you need to stop trying to do things, temporarily, and spend a few days reading the manuals. That's what everybody who can answer your questions has done. Also read [[Flow (psychology)]]. To achieve the pleasant sensation of "flow" (where you know what to do, and everything is clicking), you must first invest considerable effort to develop skill, by studying the manuals. Without skill there is no flow. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 23:43, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I might add that tasks relating to images tend to be harder than tasks relating to text around here. I only recently locked horns with [[WP:Moving images to the Commons|Moving images to the Commons]], for example, and it wasn't the easiest thing to learn on Wikipedia. One problem is that I don't see any sort of [[WP:SANDBOX|sandbox]] for images where a person could test the various tools and procedures. The only way to learn how to manipulate images is to actually manipulate real images, so every mistake one makes will tend to "count." This reflects an underlying principle of computing: it's much easier for computers to deal with symbols than images, so our tools and procedures for processing text are just a whole lot better. For text operations, we have [[WP:SANDBOX|sandboxes]] and [[WP:TUTORIAL|tutorials]], not to mention that you can look at [[wikitext]] to see what other people did, but for images, it's a lot harder to get started. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 23:56, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== Request for Work on Article ==
Where do I make such a request these days, now that the "expansion" list has been archived and more or less deactivated? [[User:Minaker|Minaker]] ([[User talk:Minaker|talk]]) 22:39, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:Work by who, and on what article? Are you requesting that someone gives you work to do on some article that you don't know about yet, or do you want to ask someone else to work on a specific article you have in mind? Those are two different ways to interpret your question. On Wikipedia, needs tend to outnumber doers by a wide margin, so if you are asking for suggestions about work you can do, you'll have better luck than if you are looking for someone else to work on something that for some reason you are unable to do yourself. Wikipedia is primarily a [[do it yourself]] system anyway, so asking other people for extensive help tends to have a low percentage of quick success, although in the long run almost everything that really is important will probably get done. See [[WP:DEADLINE]] and [[WP:SOFIXIT]]. If there is an article that needs expanding, and you don't know how to expand it yourself, perhaps the simplest strategy would be to look for other articles that you do know how to expand. Pick the low-hanging fruit first. I've found lots of articles that are lacking [[WP:RS|sources]], for example, and often good sources are but a {{Tl|Google}} search away. If you know how to make [[WP:FOOT|footnote]]s using [[WP:CITET|citation templates]], you can easily go around improving countless articles on Wikipedia. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 00:07, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
*You might have success at [[Wikipedia:WikiProjects|WikiProjects]] related to the article you have in mind. At least you'll find like-minded people there.- [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm]]|[[User talk:MacGyverMagic|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 00:35, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Teratornis, to answer your question, I am looking for someone to expand the article on [[angels]] (my reasons are on that article's talk page). I can't do it myself, since I don't know enough about the subject. MacGyver, thanks for the tip. [[User:Minaker|Minaker]] ([[User talk:Minaker|talk]]) 06:23, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:Much of the fun of Wikipedia is expanding articles one starts off knowing little about. Very little of what you see on Wikipedia is material that the authors could have written [[extemporaneously]]. What sort of research did you try for your question? --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 21:15, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I disagree that one should expand an article on a subject one knows little about. I'm not saying "never" but in general that doesn't seem like a good idea, leading to lots of opportunity for erroneous or incomplete information. I didn't do any research about the subject, to be honest with you. I just know that it's a relevant subtopic and deserves inclusion. [[User:Minaker|Minaker]] ([[User talk:Minaker|talk]]) 22:20, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

== [[WP:NPW]] ==

Hey. Whenever I try to use [[WP:NPW]] I am not able to log in and this message is displayed “''Login Failed, please check your username and password, and that you are connected to the internet.''” always. I do have the latest version of [[WP:NPW]] as well as the latest version of [[.NET Framework]]. I'm also on the list of approved users. Can anyone help? :( —[[user:aitias|αἰτίας]] ''•''[[User talk:Aitias|''discussion'']]''•'' 22:48, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:Probably best to ask for help at [[User_talk:Martinp23/NPWatcher]]. [[Special:Random|&mdash;]][[User:Noah_Salzman|Noah]] 00:24, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

== Adding images and refrences to sources outside of wikipedia ==

I'm in the middle of writing an article about Matthew Bourne's Nutcracker!, and the pages explaing how to upload images and make references to outside sources i find very difficult to understand! Can anyone give me a step by step guide to doing these things?
Thanks!
[[User:S.3e.37|S.3e.37]] ([[User talk:S.3e.37|talk]]) 23:11, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:I've added a template to your talk page which you may find useful; check out the tutorial under "Getting started." [[Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners]] also explains the basic of the referencing process, and [[Wikipedia:Citing sources/example style]] gives you some examples. Before uploading any images, make sure to thoroughly read [[Wikipedia:Image use policy|our image use policy]]. In a nutshell, it says that you can only upload pictures which are in the public domain, taken by you yourself, or released to the public under certain, specific fair use policies. If you're not sure about the copyright status of your pictures, ask for help from a more experienced editor prior to uploading them. You can also check [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikimedia Commons] for photos which others have already uploaded, or search the Attribution License and Attribution-ShareAlike License sections of [http://flickr.com/creativecommons/ flickr commons]. I'd recommend you sign up for a Wikimedia Commons account and upload your pictures there; there's a fairly straightforward upload form.

:Bear in mind that writing an article from scratch is the most difficult way to ease into editing Wikipedia, but if you're committed, great! Continue browsing through the various manuals (there are some good links three posts above this one) and, if you find that your head is spinning, consider being [[WP:ADOPT|adopted]] by a more experienced user who can help you along. --[[User:Fullobeans|Fullobeans]] ([[User talk:Fullobeans|talk]]) 00:20, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::(edit conflict) Are you trying to write a new article entirely from scratch? That is a hard thing to do on Wikipedia. The number of things you have to know literally fill a book ([[Wikipedia - The Missing Manual]]). The easiest way to approach Wikipedia is to start by making small edits to existing articles, so you don't have to learn everything all at once. But if you are determined to write a new article, which roughly amounts to running before walking, and then fend off the [[WP:WWMPD|deletionists]], and you don't want to buy the book, you will need to read (at least) these friendly manuals: [[WP:LAYOUT]], [[WP:LEAD]], [[WP:FOOT]], [[WP:CITE]], [[WP:CITET]], [[WP:RS]], [[WP:V]], and [[WP:NPOV]]. Learning and understanding all that material well enough to create new articles that "stick" typically takes months, even for smart people. It's much easier to tackle the steps separately, for example you could read [[WP:LAYOUT]] and then look for articles that don't comply with it. There are some new-ish articles that have the standard sections in the wrong order, for example (with the "See also" section after the "External links" and so on). Then you could read [[WP:FOOT]], [[WP:CITE]], and [[WP:CITET]], and learn how to make footnote references. There are lots of articles that have various ''ad hoc'' reference styles, which you can improve by editing them to proper footnotes with citation templates. Images are a whole additional nightmare of complexity, with difficulties of licensing, and whether and when to [[WP:Moving images to the Commons|move images to the Commons]], etc. It isn't humanly possible to grasp all of this stuff quickly, say in one day, unless you are smarter than anyone I've ever met. If you are that smart, I would like to hire you. I'm sure I'd think of some way to make money off of anyone who could learn this stuff in one day. Actually, I would just tell that person to make me rich, since he or she would know better than me how to do that. Of course if anyone was that smart, they would be smart enough to know better than to work for me, so this is purely hypothetical. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 00:32, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

= December 4 =

==Changing information referred to between double brackets==
I am going to create an article about a Patrick O'Brian novel. I would like to add the box above the categories that contains other titles, but first I need to add this novel to the list. I don't know how to access the titles. There are double brackets (these: "{") around the following text: PatrickOBrianWorks. Can anybody tell me how to make the double-bracketed text display the box contents so I can edit it? Thank you. [[User:Hammerdrill|Hammerdrill]] ([[User talk:Hammerdrill|talk]]) 00:04, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:Sounds like you want to edit the <nowiki>{{PatrickOBriansWork}}</nowiki> Template? What novel do you want to add? [[Special:Random|&mdash;]][[User:Noah_Salzman|Noah]] 00:08, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::If you want to edit the template you can go to [[Template:PatrickOBriansWork]] and just edit it. But please be careful editing templates (use Preview!) as any change you make affects multiple articles. [[Special:Random|&mdash;]][[User:Noah_Salzman|Noah]] 00:12, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:(edit conflict) That's called a "navigation box" or "navigation template." See [[WP:NAVBOX]]. You will have to edit the {{Tl|PatrickOBriansWork}} (note the correct spelling) navigation template. If you can't figure out how to do that, tell us the name of the novel you want to add to the navigation template, and someone here can add it for you. Another option is to add a comment to [[Template talk:PatrickOBriansWork]] stating specifically what you would like to add, and someone else who [[Help:Watch|watches]] that template can add it for you. If you mess up the template, you can mess up every page that [[WP:TRANSCLUDE|transcludes]] it, so this is kind of a high-risk thing to try if you have not done it before. Just be ready to [[Help:Revert|revert]] your changes if you screw it up. Or better yet, test your edits by copying the template to a user subpage such as [[User:Hammerdrill/Sandbox]] where you can experiment with no risk. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 00:15, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

== Fundraising Notice ==

Just a quick one: It seems to me that the software has been changed so that it is no longer possible to cover this up with a div. I know I can disappear it so I don't have to see it, but it would be nice if I could cover it up on my user and user talk pages.

If I am wrong in thinking this is no longer possible, do feel free to correct me :) [[User:Brilliantine|Brilliantine]] ([[User talk:Brilliantine|talk]]) 01:29, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

:You can remove the notice by enabling "Suppress display of the fundraiser banner" in the Gadgets tab of [[Special:Preferences|your preferences]]. Cheers. [[User:Chamal_N|'''<span style="color:#000080">C</span>h<span style="color:#0000FF">a</span><span style="color:#4169E1">m</span><span style="color:#1E90FF">a</span><span style="color:#87CEEB">l</span>''']] [[User talk:Chamal_N|<sup>talk</sup>]] 01:32, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

::I know (as stated in my question) just wondering if there was still a way to stop other users from having to see it on my User and User Talk pages :) [[User:Brilliantine|Brilliantine]] ([[User talk:Brilliantine|talk]]) 01:35, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh yeah, stupid me :) Sorry, but I can't help you there. [[User:Chamal_N|'''<span style="color:#000080">C</span>h<span style="color:#0000FF">a</span><span style="color:#4169E1">m</span><span style="color:#1E90FF">a</span><span style="color:#87CEEB">l</span>''']] [[User talk:Chamal_N|<sup>talk</sup>]] 01:50, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

== Help with database dumping? ==

I was wondering if someone could help me, or point me to someone or somewhere that could, convert a database dump to multiple, non-treed base-raw html pages. I've already followed the somewhat bland instructions at Wikipedia:Database but never get quite the results I needed. I have http://download.wikimedia.org/enwiki/20080724/enwiki-20080724-pages-meta-current.xml.bz2. I want to convert the uncompressed code (using ANY program) to multiple html pages. The equivalent of going to every page and clicking save:as... Am I missing something? [[User:Lostinlodos|Lostinlodos]] ([[User talk:Lostinlodos|talk]]) 01:57, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
: You may want to ask at [[Wikipedia:Village Pump (technical)]]. [[User:Calvin 1998|Calvin <small>1998</small>]]&nbsp;<sup>([[User talk:Calvin 1998|t]]·[[Special:Contributions/Calvin 1998|c]])</sup> 02:20, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

==Using WikiMapia Images on Wikipedia==
I have searched the help desk archive and I can't seem to find anything on this. Can we screen grab Wikimapia images to use as satellite images of bays, urban areas, parks, geographic features, etc? How do they relate to WP policies and copyright? [[User:Nick carson|Nick carson]] ([[User talk:Nick carson|talk]]) 02:35, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:The images on Wikimapia are from Google Maps. At the bottom of Wikimapia you'll see a link to [http://www.google.com/intl/en_us/help/terms_maps.html terms of use], which provides statements such as:<blockquote>"Google Maps is made available for your internal use only and may not be commercially redistributed" and "You may not delete or in any manner alter the copyright, trademark, or other proprietary rights notices appearing in map information, including photographic imagery" and " "Google Maps is provided under license by... and subject to copyright protection and other intellectual property rights owned by or licensed to..."</blockquote>
:All this means to me that the content is completely incompatible with the [[Wikipedia:GFDL|GFDL]] and thus we cannot use it on Wikipedia as free content and using it would be a copyright violation. Of course, there is always [[fair use]], but I don't think maps, which can be made or sought from other sources would likely qualify (though I should qualify by saying that this is not the heart of my Wikipedia expertise).--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 02:48, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:: In short, no, because the images are not licensed under the GFDL and I'm quite sure they wouldn't qualify for fair use. But if you can find them, imagery from sources such as NASA or the USGS should be copyright free, you could try that. [[User:Calvin 1998|Calvin <small>1998</small>]]&nbsp;<sup>([[User talk:Calvin 1998|t]]·[[Special:Contributions/Calvin 1998|c]])</sup> 02:53, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I mean, these are images of people's houses, trees, roads, lakes, rivers, rail lines, how can a copyright be applied to such images without them being subject to fair use? Moreover, how can NASA images come under fair use but Google images not? they're of exactally the same subject matter taken in exactally the same manner. [[User:Nick carson|Nick carson]] ([[User talk:Nick carson|talk]]) 01:54, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

== bracket templates ==

How do I create my own tournament bracket templates? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.176.183.54|75.176.183.54]] ([[User talk:75.176.183.54|talk]]) </span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP -->

:It depends on what you're trying to achieve, the easiest thing to do would be to see if one has already been created in [[:Category:Tournament bracket templates]] that you could use. If not then you can look at the code of some of those and adapt it to your needs. [[User:Nanonic|Nanonic]] ([[User talk:Nanonic|talk]]) 03:52, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

==A problem on a discussion page==
What exactly is going on here-[http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:Euler%27s_theorem]? There seems to be a misguided person here. Any ideas on what to do of the mess?--[[User:Leif edling|Leif edling]] ([[User talk:Leif edling|talk]]) 03:13, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:The mess on [[Talk:Euler's theorem]] does not follow the [[WP:Talk page guidelines|Talk page guidelines]]. It looks like a paste of some material from the [[Italian Wikipedia]] by an unregistered user. The original copy appears to be here:
:*[[:it:Wikipedia:Vaglio/Eulero]]
:If you want to see that in Google English, use the {{Tl|Translate wikipedia}} template I recently created:
:*{{Translate wikipedia|it|Wikipedia:Vaglio/Eulero}}
:Interestingly, the page doesn't seem to make any sense on the Italian Wikipedia either. Could be an example of [[WP:NONSENSE]]. I doubt anyone (who matters) would mind if you deleted all that stuff and replaced it with {{Tl|Maths rating}} and {{Tl|Talkheader}} templates. If the user who pasted that material had a [[Help:User page|user page]], you could [[WP:USERFY|userfy]] the material there, but if someone can't be bothered to [[WP:ACCOUNT|create an account]] before putting garbage on an article talk page, I wouldn't see the need to feel any more concerned about that person's "work" than he or she is. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 04:24, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::It's been deleted. See [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines]] for information about when it's acceptable to meddle with other editors' talk page comments. You should of course use great discretion when editing others' comments, but if it's a case of obvious vandalism, nonsense, etc, [[WP:BOLD|be bold]] and remove it yourself. Cheers! --[[User:Fullobeans|Fullobeans]] ([[User talk:Fullobeans|talk]]) 04:32, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

== Bot operating ==

How to RUN the bot, this account will be an bot?? [[User:Roded86bot|Roded86bot]] ([[User talk:Roded86bot|talk]]) 06:09, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:Beats me, but have you seen [[WP:BOT]] and [[WP:MAKEBOT]]? --[[User:Fullobeans|Fullobeans]] ([[User talk:Fullobeans|talk]]) 06:43, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::On second thought, assuming you are the same person as [[User talk:140.128.148.217|140.128.148.217]], you may want to hold off on the bot and start reading through the links on your talk page to learn how to contribute constructively to Wikipedia. Remember that all your edits are recorded permanently in both the page history and your user contributions, so you should think carefully about your edits before you save them. --[[User:Fullobeans|Fullobeans]] ([[User talk:Fullobeans|talk]]) 07:14, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I have reported the user name to [[WP:UAA]], because IMHO it is misleading, masquerading as a bot account when it is not.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 15:39, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::::User name now blocked.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 20:26, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

== Advert ==

I want and wish wikipedia to open paying for advertiment, and wikipedia will be have more revenue to resolve currect financial crisis. [[Special:Contributions/140.128.148.217|140.128.148.217]] ([[User talk:140.128.148.217|talk]]) 06:43, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

:See [[Wikipedia:Perennial proposals#Advertising]]. -[[User:Optigan13|Optigan13]] ([[User talk:Optigan13|talk]]) 06:46, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
*I don't think Wikipedia itself is suffering much of a financial crisis. The fundraiser is an annual event and to me it looks like we're pretty much on target at the moment. The Goal only needs to be reached somewhere early next year. - [[Special:Contributions/131.211.211.5|131.211.211.5]] ([[User talk:131.211.211.5|talk]]) 08:09, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::I think it's time Wikipedia is sold off to a business (like google) that has the financial and technical capability to support this project. Wikipedia is held back a lot in it's current form.--[[User:theoneintraining|<font color="grey">intraining</font>]] [[User talk:Theoneintraining|<font color="red"><sup>Jack In</sup></font>]] 09:05, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
*Wikipedia is a non-profit organization for a reason. Selling it to a company would mean NPOV would be down the drain. Look at the mess that is [[Google knol]]. Everyone is posting like crazy to earn money. Duplicate articles galore and no cooperative editing. I don't want Wikipedia to turn into that.- [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm]]|[[User talk:MacGyverMagic|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:03, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:::The sale of Wikipedia does not necessarily mean that policy's will change, What I mean is that change's we want to make but are currently restricted by weak servers (lack of funds) will be made. An example is the symbols in the edit function now have to be copy and pasted instead of just clicking it like it used to be.--[[User:theoneintraining|<font color="grey">intraining</font>]] [[User talk:Theoneintraining|<font color="red"><sup>Jack In</sup></font>]] 11:13, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::Wikipedia always slows down before new servers are installed. It's no more than logical. The site still grows and until the new servers are installed, the existing ones will be strained. As for the "symbols in the edit function" What are you talking about? - [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm]]|[[User talk:MacGyverMagic|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:05, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
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IPA: t̪ d̪ ʈ ɖ ɟ ɡ ɢ ʡ ʔ ɸ ʃ ʒ ɕ ʑ ʂ ʐ ʝ ɣ ʁ ʕ ʜ ʢ ɦ ɱ ɳ ɲ ŋ ɴ ʋ ɹ ɻ ɰ ʙ ʀ ɾ ɽ ɫ ɬ ɮ ɺ ɭ ʎ ʟ ɥ ʍ ɧ ɓ ɗ ʄ ɠ ʛ ʘ ǀ ǃ ǂ ǁ ɨ ʉ ɯ ɪ ʏ ʊ ɘ ɵ ɤ ə ɚ ɛ ɜ ɝ ɞ ʌ ɔ ɐ ɶ ɑ ɒ ʰ ʷ ʲ ˠ ˤ ⁿ ˡ ˈ ˌ ː ˑ ̪ {{IPA|}} Do these ring a bell? As for your server installing comment I think you do not really know what you are on about!--[[User:theoneintraining|<font color="grey">intraining</font>]] [[User talk:Theoneintraining|<font color="red"><sup>Jack In</sup></font>]] 12:12, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

:What do you mean? The clicking still works. [[User:Chamal_N|'''<span style="color:#000080">C</span>h<span style="color:#0000FF">a</span><span style="color:#4169E1">m</span><span style="color:#1E90FF">a</span><span style="color:#87CEEB">l</span>''']] [[User talk:Chamal_N|<sup>talk</sup>]] 12:18, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well I and many many other have to copy and paste, I read in this help desk a while ago that the cause is weak java servers or something like that I will try to find the question and get back to you.--[[User:theoneintraining|<font color="grey">intraining</font>]] [[User talk:Theoneintraining|<font color="red"><sup>Jack In</sup></font>]] 12:22, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::Maybe browser differences? I'm using Firefox. [[User:Chamal_N|'''<span style="color:#000080">C</span>h<span style="color:#0000FF">a</span><span style="color:#4169E1">m</span><span style="color:#1E90FF">a</span><span style="color:#87CEEB">l</span>''']] [[User talk:Chamal_N|<sup>talk</sup>]] 12:24, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I am using Firefox too, It even says Copy and Paste next to the symbols.--[[User:theoneintraining|<font color="grey">intraining</font>]] [[User talk:Theoneintraining|<font color="red"><sup>Jack In</sup></font>]] 12:30, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Well, I'm baffled. It works fine for me now, and always has. These symbols: ฿ÁΏЂףصɦ were all inserted by clicking on them. [[User:Chamal_N|'''<span style="color:#000080">C</span>h<span style="color:#0000FF">a</span><span style="color:#4169E1">m</span><span style="color:#1E90FF">a</span><span style="color:#87CEEB">l</span>''']] [[User talk:Chamal_N|<sup>talk</sup>]] 12:37, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::::I am also baffled. I thought everyone had this issue - I need a beer.--[[User:theoneintraining|<font color="grey">intraining</font>]] [[User talk:Theoneintraining|<font color="red"><sup>Jack In</sup></font>]] 12:46, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
*It seems those characters are a browser issue. The reduced menu where you need to click the sort of symbol you want before clicking the actual symbol does not change the symbol bar for me. - [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm]]|[[User talk:MacGyverMagic|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:55, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::About the advertising on Wikipedia issue, see [[Wikipedia:Advertisements]] and especially [[Wikipedia:Advertisements#Income from search tools on Wikipedia pages]]. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 21:26, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

== Quick way of adding articles to your watchlist ==

Is there any quick way to add certain articles to your watchlist without having to click the watchlist tab on the article? For example if i wanted all the articles in a certain category on my watchlist this would really help. Is there anyway quick way to do this? Maybe a script perhaps or is it just a very long process? Thanks, advice appreciated '''[[User:Da monster under your bed|<font color="darkblue" face="Tahoma">Monster Under Your Bed</font>]]''' <sup>([[User_Talk:Da monster under your bed|talk]])</sup> 10:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:All I can suggest is that you edit your [[Special:Watchlist/raw|raw watch list]].--[[User:theoneintraining|<font color="grey">intraining</font>]] [[User talk:Theoneintraining|<font color="red"><sup>Jack In</sup></font>]] 10:57, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks but theres got to be an easier way. I am sure someone can make something up to speed it up. If there was a link on a certain cat. to add all the pages within the cat to your watchlist that would be great. '''[[User:Da monster under your bed|<font color="darkblue" face="Tahoma">Monster Under Your Bed</font>]]''' <sup>([[User_Talk:Da monster under your bed|talk]])</sup> 11:15, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Please read the above question for your answer:).--[[User:theoneintraining|<font color="grey">intraining</font>]] [[User talk:Theoneintraining|<font color="red"><sup>Jack In</sup></font>]] 11:17, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

:Install navigation popups as a gadget in your user account (Preferences --> Gadgets, check the appropriate box, save, and clear your browser cache). You will then be able to add to your watchlist using the popup interface.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 15:43, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

== edit tag is unavailable! ==

Hi there
I have made my very first Wikipedia edit, adding an original image file to the article on (http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Migraine_aura) Migraine Auras. The edit link for the main body of the page, where I would like to have placed my image, is directing me to the "see also" section. Each edit tag on the page seems to be linked to the section below it, resulting in no edit tag available for the top section. I have put the .jpg in the "see also" section but it looks funny there and I would love to put it at the top of the page where it belongs.
Can you help me? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/196.211.3.106|196.211.3.106]] ([[User talk:196.211.3.106|talk]]) 12:33, 4 December 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:You have probably clicked on the wrong edit links. The edit link for the whole page is on the top of the page (the edit tab). Use that link if you want to edit this section. There isn't a edit link to the first section (lead section) unless you're a registered user and have enabled that in your preferences. Edit links for every other section are in line with the section header, aligned to the right. Cheers. [[User:Chamal_N|'''<span style="color:#000080">C</span>h<span style="color:#0000FF">a</span><span style="color:#4169E1">m</span><span style="color:#1E90FF">a</span><span style="color:#87CEEB">l</span>''']] [[User talk:Chamal_N|<sup>talk</sup>]] 12:40, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

== Question about removing false/unverifiable/defamatory information ==

Hello,

I'm the President of a small company that has a Wikipedia entry (Legitscript). Our entry has been vandalized with some inaccurate and unverifiable (because it's inaccurate) as well as defamatory information twice over the last couple of days. We removed the false and defamatory information, which simply cited accusations in blogs as the basis for facts.

Two questions:
1. The page now says that major edits to the entry (our edits) were put up with someone that doesn't have a neutral point of view. That's true, but our understanding is that it's permissible to remove false, unverifiable, etc. information about yourself or your own company. What is the best way to approach this? Surely, we aren't required to refrain from removing false information about our company.
2. Is there a way to prevent continued vandalization to the page? We certainly don't have any problem with anyone editing the entry with verifiable facts, but of course want to be able to remove information that is inaccurate (and being inaccurate, unverifiable).

Thanks very much. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jchkayaker|Jchkayaker]] ([[User talk:Jchkayaker|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jchkayaker|contribs]]) 13:07, 4 December 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:The notice at the top of the [[Legitscript]] directs you to the [[WP:COI|conflict of interest guideline]]. Read this, and it will let you know what you should and shouldn't do with this article. Take a look under ''Defending interest'' - notice that it says that anyone (even a conflicted editor) may and should remove unsupported defamatory material from an article. If you think the article is being persistently vandalised and you want to ask for assistance, you can place a short note on the [[WP:AIV|administrator intervention against vandalism page]]. [[User:ukexpat]] seems to have taken an interest in the page, so you could also leave a note on [[User talk:ukexpat|his talk page]]. [[User:Gandalf61|Gandalf61]] ([[User talk:Gandalf61|talk]]) 17:17, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

== Banned ==

What will happen if i get "banned", not only may not edit any pages, what other sitition will happen? [[User:JustbeBPMF|JustbeBPMF]] ([[User talk:JustbeBPMF|talk]]) 13:47, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

:See the [[Wikipedia:Banning policy|Banning policy]]. A ban may apply to an area of Wikipedia or even the whole project. It could also be temporary or permanent. [[User:Chamal_N|'''<span style="color:#000080">C</span>h<span style="color:#0000FF">a</span><span style="color:#4169E1">m</span><span style="color:#1E90FF">a</span><span style="color:#87CEEB">l</span>''']] [[User talk:Chamal_N|<sup>talk</sup>]] 13:52, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Your mean is all language version of Wikipedia won't able to edit? [[User:JustbeBPMF|JustbeBPMF]] ([[User talk:JustbeBPMF|talk]]) 13:54, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:I think what Chamal N was referring to was a ''topic'' ban versus a ''site'' ban. For example, an editor can be banned from editing Palestine/Israel articles or Scientology articles. Or an editor can be banned from the entire site. This only applies to English Wikipedia, however, as other language Wikis make their own decisions. <b><font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font>‑<font color="midnightblue"><big><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></big></font>-<font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font></b> 14:03, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

::Yes. I should have made myself clearer. When I said "Area of Wikipedia" I meant it could be an article, or a topic area. [[User:Chamal_N|'''<span style="color:#000080">C</span>h<span style="color:#0000FF">a</span><span style="color:#4169E1">m</span><span style="color:#1E90FF">a</span><span style="color:#87CEEB">l</span>''']] [[User talk:Chamal_N|<sup>talk</sup>]] 14:10, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
*The obvious thing to do is not get banned so you never have to find out... - [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm]]|[[User talk:MacGyverMagic|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:23, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
: Also see the [[wp:blocking policy|blocking policy]], as "blocking" means something different from "banning" on Wikipedia, and people often confuse the two. [[User:Pyrospirit|<span style="color: green">Pyrospirit</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Pyrospirit|<span style="color: darkorange">talk</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Pyrospirit|<span style="color: red">contribs</span>]]) 01:21, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

== IPs signing posts ==

Why do IPs ''almost never'' sign their posts? [[Special:Contributions/89.242.164.133|89.242.164.133]] ([[User talk:89.242.164.133|talk]]) 17:50, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:The large majority of IPs I've encountered do not make very many edits. While they may have experience ''reading'' Wikipedia, they may not have much experience ''editing'' Wikipedia. Signing posts (along with wikilinking, templates, etc.) is something that usually takes a few tries before you remember to do it automatically. <b><font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font>‑<font color="midnightblue"><big><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></big></font>-<font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font></b> 17:56, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::Wikipedia editing skill follows a [[Pareto distribution]] - most Wikipedia users merely dabble, and have little editing skill; a small fraction have modest skill; and a tiny fraction have read the friendly manuals in depth and developed advanced skill. It's hardly surprising that ''most'' unregistered users would not have learned (or feel bothered to follow) the [[WP:Talk page guidelines|Talk page guidelines]], because [[WP:ACCOUNT|registering an account]] and [[WP:SIG|signing one's talk page comments]] are both acts that show consideration for other users, and indicate that a user has made some progress in learning Wikipedia. When we establish an identity (or even a consistent pseudo-identity) by creating an account, signing our talk page comments, and leaving useful [[Help:Edit summary|edit summaries]], we help other editors by informing them about who we are. It's very difficult for people to coordinate their efforts and (especially) to resolve conflicts when they aren't able to associate identities with the people they are dealing with. The reason for our unease is our inability to predict the behavior of people whose track record is inaccessible to us. (IP addresses can change or be shared, so the [[Help:History|edit history]] of an IP address may be incomplete, or downright misleading.) When you know absolutely nothing about another person, you can't be sure whether they will like what you say to them, or feel deeply offended. Humans have emotional brains which weigh these factors for us, which is why we might feel nervous about getting on an elevator with a complete stranger, but we feel at ease around our friends. While there are some unregistered users who [[Help:Contents|read the friendly manuals]] and contribute productively, there are many more whose failure to register is part of a larger mindset which fails to "get" Wikipedia. Thus it should not be surprising that a larger fraction of users who log in to edit will be similarly courteous to other users in other ways (such as by signing their talk page comments). However, there are exceptions, such as a few users who create accounts specifically to increase their vandalism damage potential. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 19:55, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

== Editing a Page. ==

Hello,

I wanted to add a fact to the BILLY GIBBONS page, but cant figure out how to do it. Is there an editor I can send the info to for consideration? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Billygibbonsproject|Billygibbonsproject]] ([[User talk:Billygibbonsproject|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Billygibbonsproject|contribs]]) 18:22, 4 December 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:You should be able to edit the article by clicking on the "edit" tab at the very top of the page. Please be sure that any facts added are supported by [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]. You may also want to discuss your addition on the article's [[Talk:Billy Gibbons|talk page]]. Cheers! <b><font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font>‑<font color="midnightblue"><big><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></big></font>-<font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font></b> 18:27, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

== extensive rewrite of existing article ==

Wikipedia has had an article about my work for a while now (Matthew Stadler), but it is inaccurate and out of date. I tried to correct it through a small number of line edits, but many of my edits were rejected because my sources were not acceptable. I worked on the edits so they are properly sourced, and that work turned into a complete rewriting of the article. This rewrite is is much longer and more detailed than the existing article.

My question: what are the best next steps to take so that this rewrite can be posted and cause the least amount of problems or work for Wikipedia volunteers? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:MatthewStadler|MatthewStadler]] ([[User talk:MatthewStadler|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MatthewStadler|contribs]]) 18:33, 4 December 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Because of your [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]] your best option is to post a message to the article's talk page declaring your conflict and noting how the article needs to be improved and see if any editors will assist with the edits.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 20:30, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

::Also see: [[WP:BLP]] and [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Help]]. The latter page contains instructions both for you (the subject of the biography) and all the other users who edit the article. We also need to clarify what you mean by "this rewrite" and "best":
::*Presumably by "this rewrite" you refer to something you wrote with something other than Wikipedia. For example, maybe you wrote a document with [[Microsoft Word]] and have it as a local file on your computer. The more specific you can be about what you mean, the more easily someone can give you specific advice. Perhaps the most practical way to make your rewrite easily available to other Wikipedia editors is to:
::*# Transcribe (perhaps by copying and pasting) your rewrite to a [[Help:User page|user subpage]] such as: [[User:MatthewStadler/Sandbox]] (on Wikipedia we use the term "[[WP:SANDBOX|sandbox]]" to refer to a page where we make practice or test edits). If you need help with this, let us know.
::*# Leave a comment on [[Talk:Matthew Stadler]] explaining that you have a user subpage containing your suggested rewrites to the article, with a link to it. Again, if you don't know how to do this, let us know and a more experienced user can handle it.
::*As to "best," I'm guessing you probably really mean "optimal." The "best" way to work productively with other Wikipedia editors is to learn as much about Wikipedia editing as they know, but that would require you to do a ''lot'' of work, which might not be worth your time if you only care about correcting one article. Wikipedia is perhaps the most efficient system ever devised for remote collaboration, but it is so different than anything most people have experienced that it takes a lot of work to master. If you would like to become an accomplished Wikipedia editor, you'll need to read [[WP:EIW|lots of help pages]] (and/or read the book [[Wikipedia - The Missing Manual]]) and edit lots of different articles, over a period of months or years. [[Special:Contributions/MatthewStadler|Your contributions]] show your first edit under this username was in 2007, but you haven't made many edits yet. How much do you want to learn about Wikipedia? The "best" way to proceed depends on your answer to that question.
::--[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 20:42, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

== Page version control on userpage ==
<s>Someone appears to be excercising version control over my userpage without my consent and apparently against basic policy and courtesy. I didn't know we had version control implemented, and though its a wonderful idea, its application to own userpage is not welcome. I'd like it corrected. -[[User:Zahd|Zahd]] ([[User talk:Zahd|talk]]) 19:55, 4 December 2008 (UTC)</s>
:What do you mean by "version control"? Have you read [[WP:UP#NOT]]? --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 19:59, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::I was mistaken. Must have been a caching issue. Thanks anyway. The content isn't the relevant issue. -[[User:Zahd|Zahd]] ([[User talk:Zahd|talk]]) 20:05, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:::(edit conflict)It appears that [[User:Spotfixer]] has been editing your user page. You can see on [[User talk:Spotfixer|his talk page]] where other users have warned him/her about this. However, as Teratornis mentioned, please review [[WP:UP#NOT|what userpages are not]]. <b><font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font>‑<font color="midnightblue"><big><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></big></font>-<font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font></b> 20:06, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

:::I just blanked the user page again -- the content was clearly inappropriate per [[WP:UP#NOT]].&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 20:34, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::::If you want to express opinions on your user page, a compromise method is to put up some [[WP:USERBOX|userboxes]]. [[Wikipedia:Jimbo on Userboxes|Jimbo Wales doesn't like them]], but at least userboxes generally take care to qualify themselves with "This user believes/likes/does ''X''" rather than to make unprovable truth claims such as purporting to speak directly for [[God]]. Saying "I believe ''(in some doctrine)''" is very different than saying "''(Some doctrine)'' is true." On Wikipedia, our standard for truth is much stronger than someone's mere personal assertion, which is useless anyway because billions of people around the world assert all sorts of contradictory things. When people develop the bad habit of asserting things they cannot prove, it's one step from there to [[Religious war]], because when two people believe incompatible things and view the other's opinion as [[blasphemy]], their only two options are to avoid each other, or try to settle their differences with force. Wikipedia avoids this type of stupidity by requiring all users to agree on a specific truth standard (see [[WP:V]] and [[WP:RS]]). The truth we all agree on is to document who asserted what, not to determine which of the unprovable assertions were true. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 20:56, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::::: The statement on my userpage does not violate the clause "<u>extensive</u> personal opinions on matters unrelated to Wikipedia." Likewise the statement is an [[Apologetics|apologetic]] statement, not a [[polemics|polemical]] statement that the policy prohibits; nor is it "attacking or vilifying groups of editors or persons," as it is merely stating a concept of absolute discernment. -[[User:Zahd|Zahd]] ([[User talk:Zahd|talk]]) 22:07, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::OK tell me what is "apologetic" about this: ''There is a God, and He hates abortion. The sad truth is that in this world of Godless "freedoms," even a single word in support of an actual abortion can cause one to be destroyed in the hellfire, or condemned to hell. This is the way He sees it.'' IMHO you are pushing your anti-abortion beliefs in an inappropriate manner.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 22:15, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
(undent) Unverifiable assertions are perhaps the weakest possible form of [[apologetics]], which is why some folks who have nothing more to back up their supernatural claims have a bad habit of beheading people who don't accept their unverifiable assertions. If I claim the [[Flying Spaghetti Monster]] exists, I have not given FSM doubters any reason to change their minds, and neither have I made the claims of FSM proponents any more believable (adding more people who make an unprovable assertion accomplishes nothing; see [[argumentum ad populum]]). You should brush up on [[critical thinking]], and if you have any [[WP:RS|well-sourced]], useful material to add to an article such as [[Existence of God]], please add it. And if you think you'll be able to [[WP:LAWYER|wikilawyer]] your way to placing these kinds of highly divisive unverifiable claims on your userpage - ''and nothing else'' - then I can assure you that you will lose this argument just as many others lost it before you. You might find another wiki such as [[Conservapedia]] more welcoming to your [[WP:POV|point of view]]. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 00:07, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

: I understand your atheism. -[[User:Zahd|Zahd]] ([[User talk:Zahd|talk]]) 00:14, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

== Editing (deleting) an ostensibly promotional link in an article CLETE BOYER ==

I am very new to editing, but I looked up the article for my favorite baseball player CLETE BOYER and clicked through the references. All of them were OK except reference #7 to something called ETERNAL IMAGE (which, when I clicked the link) sent me to a commemorative products site (urns, baseballs, etc.) I believe this violates policy and has nothing whatsover to do with the article.

When I tried to edit it all I see is: ==References== {Reflist} I don't see anything I can edit. Can you help?

In other words, there is nothing to edit. Can you help me? Thanks, [[User:Web20librarian|Web20librarian]] ([[User talk:Web20librarian|talk]]) 21:19, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:The code for the footnote is at the place the footnote link appears, not in the references section. See [[Help:Footnotes]] for more info. [[User talk:Algebraist|Algebraist]] 21:22, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

::[[WP:Spam|linkspam]] now deleted.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 22:10, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, Algebraist!

== printing an article ==

I don't seem to be able to print the exact article I am viewing "History of Religion in the United States". Something else about the subject prints. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.196.85.125|71.196.85.125]] ([[User talk:71.196.85.125|talk]]) 21:57, 4 December 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Did you try printing the printable version of the page? Click on the "printable version" link in the toolbox on the left hand side of the page.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 22:07, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

== Joke categories on [[Book of Proverbs]] ==

Hello, there are some joke categories on the [[Book of Proverb]] page, like "Articles with unsourced statements since November 2008 Now there's no way you know this on your own..." and "Articles with unsourced statements since November 2008 There are? The state them, scholars like to write books so they can be referenced... :)". I can't figure out how to fix this. Could somebody please help? Thank you. <font color="#FF1493" face="sylfaen">[[User:LovesMacs|Loves]]</font><font color="#1E90FF" face="sylfaen">[[User:LovesMacs|Macs]]</font>[[User talk:LovesMacs| (talk)]] 22:23, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:Someone's been using {{tl|fact}} in a rather strange way. Fixed. [[User talk:Algebraist|Algebraist]] 22:27, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::See [http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Swift_as_an_Eagle&diff=prev&oldid=255936741] for the explanation. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 23:42, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

== "Save page" times out for logged-in user (proxy IP blocked for anonymous) ==

It seems my internet provider ([[Virgin Media]]) are experimenting with transparent proxies. My proxy was blocked for vandalism (anon-only). I can log in normally (after solving a [[Captcha]]) and access my watchlist. But whenever I click "Save page" nothing happens – except that if I wait long enough, in the end I am offered a file <code>index.php</code> for download.

My solution is to log in on the secure server. Is this a known problem? --[[User:Hans Adler|Hans Adler]] ([[User talk:Hans Adler|talk]]) 22:59, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:Hi Hans. Go to [[Special:Preferences|your account preferences]], click on the "editing" tab and untick the box that says "use external editor by default". If that does not solve the issue, or it's already unticked, please advise and wait for further help:-)--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 23:07, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks. It's already unticked – otherwise using the secure server wouldn't have solved the issue. I am not really helpless, but others in the same situation might be. Therefore I would like to report this problem to whatever is the right place. But I am not sure if it's a configuration problem with en.wikipedia, a mediawiki bug, or even a known feature. --[[User:Hans Adler|Hans Adler]] ([[User talk:Hans Adler|talk]]) 23:47, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::: Sounds like a caching issue. Try [[WP:BYC|bypassing your browser cache]] on the non-secure server. I doubt it's a MediaWiki bug or a configuration problem; if it was, a lot more people would be reporting the same problem. [[User:Pyrospirit|<span style="color: green">Pyrospirit</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Pyrospirit|<span style="color: darkorange">talk</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Pyrospirit|<span style="color: red">contribs</span>]]) 01:15, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Apparently I have the problem currently discussed at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Major UK ISPs reduced to using 2 IP addresses]] as affecting thousands of users, plus a complication. No, I don't think it's a browser cache issue. Otherwise rebooting all equipment, or turning off the computer over night, would have helped. I have now reported this bug to Bugzilla [https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16569], so this can probably be closed. Thank you. --[[User:Hans Adler|Hans Adler]] ([[User talk:Hans Adler|talk]]) 21:57, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

= December 5 =

== Date when first published ==

I want to know on what date was this article first published: http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Cannabis_(drug)

I'm doing a report for school and my sources have to be from 2004 or sooner. Any ideas?
Thanks : ) {{unsigned|98.203.218.7|00:33, 5 December 2008}}

: According to the article's [http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Cannabis_(drug)&action=history revision history], the article was first created at [http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Cannabis_(drug)&oldid=10070975 17:39, 8 February 2005 (UTC)], and the article was last edited at [http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Cannabis_(drug)&oldid=255590685 07:01, 3 December 2008 (UTC)]. [[User:Pyrospirit|<span style="color: green">Pyrospirit</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Pyrospirit|<span style="color: darkorange">talk</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Pyrospirit|<span style="color: red">contribs</span>]]) 00:53, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

::Also take a look at the many links under References, External links, and Further reading at the bottom of the article. Quite a few of them are from after 2004, and your teacher will probably jump for joy if you write a report without referencing Wikipedia. --[[User:Fullobeans|Fullobeans]] ([[User talk:Fullobeans|talk]]) 01:09, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
*Have a look at the Cite link in the left bar of the site, which every article page has. It gives you the information you need to cite Wikipedia in the most used formats. Fullobeans is right, though, it's better not to cite Wikipedia and use the sources we used to make the articles instead. - [[Special:Contributions/131.211.210.70|131.211.210.70]] ([[User talk:131.211.210.70|talk]]) 08:40, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

== defaultsort ==

With all the notifications on talk pages now over the sortkey issue and pages being auto-populated in [[:Category:Pages with DEFAULTSORT conflicts]], is there a central discussion or article on the problem somewhere and a quick breakdown of what must be done to the relevant templates to fix this? [[User:Nanonic|Nanonic]] ([[User talk:Nanonic|talk]]) 00:41, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

:Please let me know if you find it! As far as I can tell, the problem arises when an article contains {{tl|DEFAULTSORT}} and the talk page contains two or more templates with listas parameters and one of them is either empty, or contains a different sort from {{tl|DEFAULTSORT}}. Frankly, I don't understand the point of the listas parameters in talk page templates - the {{tl|DEFAULTSORT}} sorting should apply for all purposes.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 01:34, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
::As I understand it, it’s another way to solve the problem in [[Wikipedia:Proposals#Change default category sortkeys|this proposal]]. I think the listas parameter is a bad idea; we should wait instead for the proposal to be adopted: that (and maybe a single DEFAULTSORT per page) will remove the need for listas. —[[User:TEB728|teb728]] [[User talk:TEB728|t]] [[Special:Contributions/TEB728|c]] 01:54, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

== help. ==

I attend Hargrave Military Academy, and I have been inducted into a secret "group" of the best cadets. The man who started this club is a senior and will be leaving next year. I would like to create a page of our "clan" in memory of him. How do i create a page on wikipedia? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Hobbsa92|Hobbsa92]] ([[User talk:Hobbsa92|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Hobbsa92|contribs]]) 00:49, 5 December 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Unfortunately, your club may not meet Wikipedia's [[WP:N|notability]] requirements. Read [[WP:ORG]] to see what constitutes a notable organization, and [[WP:NOT]] to see what's generally deemed unacceptable. I'd also recommend that you familiarize yourself with Wikipedia by editing other articles which interest you, before you start building articles from scratch. --[[User:Fullobeans|Fullobeans]] ([[User talk:Fullobeans|talk]]) 01:04, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
::If the group is as you say secret, there is no way it could have the substantial coverage in secondary sources necessary to establish notability; so any article on the group would be speedily deleted. —[[User:TEB728|teb728]] [[User talk:TEB728|t]] [[Special:Contributions/TEB728|c]] 01:39, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

: If I may volunteer my 0.02 here: the web site http://www.facebook.com/ seems to be very flexible, in terms of allowing stuff that (in the opinion of a given observer) might not be considered very notable. There, is it fairly easy to create a fan page, or a "group", (which can be either open to all, or somewhat exclusive regarding membership), etc. Would it be too restrictive to require, that each person in the club, might have to have their own page on facebook? (If they don't "already" have one, they are easy to create.) This is just an idea. It seems like, that might meet your needs. I hope this helps, --[[User:Mike Schwartz|Mike Schwartz]] ([[User talk:Mike Schwartz|talk]]) 02:41, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

::It seems to me that publicizing a secret group must be contrary to the rules of the group. [[User:Wanderer57|Wanderer57]] ([[User talk:Wanderer57|talk]]) 19:07, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

:::Indeed, remember the first rule of [[Fight Club]] is you do not talk about Fight Club.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 21:44, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

== Rollback? ==

[http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Special:Contributions/67.161.60.88 This] is mainly a non-constructive editor, please eval for rollback. [[User:Mjpresson|Mjpresson]] ([[User talk:Mjpresson|talk]]) 01:21, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:<s>That is an IP so is is technically impossible to assign them rollback. For future reference [[WP:RFPERM]] is the correct place to bring such requests. [[User:Icewedge|Icewedge]] ([[User talk:Icewedge|talk]]) 02:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)</s>
::I think the OP means the IP's edits should be rolled back. <b><font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font>‑<font color="midnightblue"><big><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></big></font>-<font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font></b> 12:47, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:::<nowiki>*</nowiki>[[facepalm]]*, you are correct. [[User:Icewedge|Icewedge]] ([[User talk:Icewedge|talk]]) 07:00, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

== advice, please: How do I tag an article for possible "re-naming"? ==

Today I started to ask (/"put") this question at "http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Category_talk:Biography_articles_needing_attention";
but there I found, when I started to edit, that it said [quote:]<br/>
<< "Attention
Talk pages in this namespace are generally not watched by many users. Please consider visiting the [[Wikipedia:Help_desk|Help desk]] for a more prompt response or reviewing the Categorization FAQ for quick tips." >>
<br/>'''(!!)'''
<br/>
So I decided to put it here instead. Sorry if this is the wrong place.

This is about an article ["re-naming issue"] that is not "YET" a [[Category_talk:Biography]] article,
but might "become" one, in the future.
For an explanation, see
<br/>http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:Austin_Bay#Could_we_re-name_this_.28already-existing.29_article.3F
<br/>and in fact, see all of
<br/>http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:Austin_Bay .

I asked about this (potential future) "re-naming" idea, more than a week ago, and apparently I was asking in the wrong place, because it appears that no one (who can advise me about how to properly tag the "body of water" article [[Austin Bay]] for possible "re-naming") has read the question (or, if they have, they didn't answer) ("yet").

Any advice? Thanks, --[[User:Mike Schwartz|Mike Schwartz]] ([[User talk:Mike Schwartz|talk]]) 02:31, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:I responded at [[Talk:Austin Bay]]. :) --[[User:Tkynerd|Tkynerd]] ([[User talk:Tkynerd|talk]]) 03:24, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

== How do I add a picture of an album cover and the other things in the square of information? ==

Can you please tell me how to add the picture of an album cover as well as edit all of the other things in the squares on the top right hand side that include information about the album? This is driving me NUTS trying to figure out...I've spent an hour getting THIS far. Lord save me!

[[User:AxRox|AxRox]] ([[User talk:AxRox|talk]]) 03:16, 5 December 2008 (UTC)Alex[[User:AxRox|AxRox]] ([[User talk:AxRox|talk]]) 03:16, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

:The squares at the top right are [[WP:INFOBOX|infoboxes]] a type of [[WP:TEMPLATE|template]]. On the article you were recently editing, [[Snakebite (album)]], the template is generated by the code below which can be found at the top of the article when you open it for editing.
<source lang="text">
{{Infobox Album | <!-- See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums -->
| Name = Snakebite
| Type = Studio
| Artist = [[Whitesnake]]
| Caption = ''Snakebite'' (US sleeve)
| Cover = Snakebite.jpg
| Released = June 1978
| Recorded = April 7-13, 1978 at [[Central Recorders]] ([[London]], UK) / April 10-19, 1977 at [[AIR Studios]] (London, UK)
| Genre = [[Hard rock]], [[Heavy metal music|heavy metal]], [[blues-rock]]
| Length = 36:51
| Label = [[Geffen Records|Geffen]]
| Producer = 1-4 by [[Martin Birch]], 5-8 by [[Roger Glover]]
| Reviews =
* [[Allmusic]] {{Rating|2|5}} [http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:rlf6zf0heh8k link]
|
| Last album = ''[[Snakebite EP]]'' (1978)
| This album = ''Snakebite'' <br /> (1978)
| Next album = ''[[Trouble (Whitesnake album)|Trouble]]'' <br /> (1978)
| Misc = {{Extra album cover 2
| Upper caption = Alternate cover
| Lower caption = ''Snakebite'' (Original UK sleeve) {{deletable image-caption}}
| Type = studio
| Cover =
}}
</source>
Changing different fields will change the values in the boxes. In the case when a field is not self explanatory, refer to the documentation at [[Template:Infobox Album/doc]]. [[User:Icewedge|Icewedge]] ([[User talk:Icewedge|talk]]) 03:29, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

: There is also [[Wikipedia:FAQ/Editing#How_can_I_add_pictures_to_pages.3F]] for this, which can be reached through the FAQ link at the top of this page. (Although, it needs one more click.) &mdash; [[User:SebastianHelm|Sebastian]] 03:37, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

== Categories don't display on a particular page ==
For some weird reason, the categories in [[Building insulation]] won't display. I had been using HotCat, and thought that might cause the problem, but it still persists when I uninstall it. &mdash; [[User:SebastianHelm|Sebastian]] 03:37, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:Unclosed ref tag. Fixed. [[User talk:Algebraist|Algebraist]] 03:39, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:: Ah, you again! Thanks! I recently started using WikEd, and so I guess I relied too much on its syntax coloring, which appeared to look good to me. &mdash; [[User:SebastianHelm|Sebastian]] 03:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

== John Kennedy test ==

early in the space program President John Kennedy developed a test to qualify those with an ability to encounte the unknown. The test was done and devoleped by 11 universities world wide. The test development I believe cost 20,000,000.00 The firt person to pass this test became the head of the space program in houston, tex. actually he was the only person at that time to score 100 percent. The nickname for this exam. was the John Kennedy test.. My question is. What was the real name of this exam. Is it true the goverment tracks those who score very high. If so was I the 2nd person 25 years later to score 100 percent. I was told so in 1985 by a doctor at dallas diagnostics, in dallas,tex. Please reply to <removed to prevent spam> <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.14.1.252|72.14.1.252]] ([[User talk:72.14.1.252|talk]]) 04:42, 5 December 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Have you tried Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Reference desk|Reference Desk]]? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. [[User talk:Algebraist|Algebraist]] 04:46, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
::Apologies if the questioner is sincere, but this question sounds fishy to say the least. It's hard to believe that someone who could score as high on a standardized test as the head of the [[Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center|space program in Houston]] would need to ask someone else to look up some information for him or her (and would ask in the wrong place, ignoring the instructions in the big red box over the edit window). I'd hope [[Michael Coats]] (the current [[Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center]] director) could look this up if he had to. Especially if this test "qualifies those with an ability to encounter the unknown" - what is the Web if not the playground for people having this skill? Furthermore, people who score high on standardized tests can usually spell. So pardon me if I suspect yet another Help desk hoax here. If the government is tracking the questioner, maybe the best people to ask are the guys in dark suits in those [[Black helicopter]]s hovering outside. In the real world, [[standardized test]]s are but one measure of ability, and they are more of a group predictor than an individual predictor. That is, if you test a large group of young people, and then track them for the rest of their lives in a [[longitudinal study]], the result will likely be that ''on average'' the high-scoring people will have generally better outcomes, earn more money, commit less crime, etc., but there might be some [[George W. Bush|low-scoring success stories]] as well as some [[Theodore Kaczynski|high-scoring flops]]. Therefore a test score by itself is never enough to qualify a person for a position of great responsibility, which is why people only gain such positions (in a strict [[meritocracy]]) after having demonstrated competence as they climb through an organization. Once a person begins compiling a track record of real performance, few people ask about the test score after that. A similar difficulty applies to [[Draft (sports)|drafting players for a professional sports team]]. You can subject prospective players to every sort of [[NFL Scouting Combine|athletic ability test]], but still it remains exceedingly difficult to predict which prospects will succeed at the pro level. The tests are primarily useful for weeding out obviously unqualified prospects; they don't predict which of the highly qualified prospects will become standouts. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 18:44, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

== Can a Category be redirected? ==

I just noticed that [[:Category:Buffy the Vampire Slayer]] and [[:Category:Buffyverse]] both exist. If one is redirected to the other, will its members be carried along? —[[User:Tamfang|Tamfang]] ([[User talk:Tamfang|talk]]) 05:57, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:See [[WP:CAT#Redirected categories]]. --[[User:Silver Edge|Silver Edge]] ([[User talk:Silver Edge|talk]]) 06:00, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
::I have reverted Tamfang's undiscussed addition of {{tl2|category redirect|Buffy the Vampire Slayer}} to [[:Category:Buffy the Vampire Slayer]]. Please take it to [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion]] if you think categories should be merged. Note that the category history shows [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 December 7#Category:Buffyverse]] where it was kept as it is. Also note that the two categories don't have exactly the same purpose and it's not an accident that two were created. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 18:41, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

== Copy and Paste Symbols ==
How come I need to copy and paste the symbols instead of just clicking them like I used to?--[[User:theoneintraining|<font color="grey">intraining</font>]] [[User talk:Theoneintraining|<font color="red"><sup>Jack In</sup></font>]] 07:35, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

==Archibald Bell Jr==

If I want to do an article on Archibald Bell Jr, is "Jr" the correct way to spell it in the heading?
[[User:Sardaka|Sardaka]] ([[User talk:Sardaka|talk]]) 09:38, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:I found these two articles, [[Dale Earnhardt, Jr.]] and [[Ken Griffey, Jr.]] which suggest that you should create [[Archibald Bell, Jr.]] also see [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names)]] which have a example on [[James Earl Carter, Jr.]] suggesting that it is the corect way of doing it (even though it is wrong in that example). --[[User:Stefan|Stefan]] [[User_talk:Stefan|<sup>talk</sup>]] 11:19, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

::And Jr. generally has a period in U.S. English but not in British English. --—<i><b>—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<font color = "gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</font>]]<font color = "darkblue">&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup></font></b> - </i> 11:31, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

:::In my experience it is only necessary to add the Jr suffix if it is required to disambiguate from Sr. In this case there is no existing article on [[Archibald Bell]] so that should be the title, ie no suffix. Also see [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people)#Senior and junior]]&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 16:08, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

== My Home page ==

how do i make my homepage (User Page)? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Wwe.fana|Wwe.fana]] ([[User talk:Wwe.fana|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Wwe.fana|contribs]]) 09:49, 5 December 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I'm not sure I understand what you're asking - I see you've been editing your user page for the last few weeks. What do you want to put on your userpage? See [[Wikipedia:User page]] for more general information on user pages. [[Special:Contributions/Zain Ebrahim111|Zain Ebrahim]] ([[User talk:Zain Ebrahim111|talk]]) 09:56, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

::I believe he wants his userpage as his homepage. To do this, go to where your homepage URL is in your internet settings, and copy/paste the URL of your [[Special:Mypage|userpage]] into that box. Best, <font face="Arial"> [[User:PeterSymonds|<font color="#02e">Peter</font><font color="#02b"><b>Symonds</b></font>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:PeterSymonds|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]])</font> 11:25, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

== New template grammar ==

This is probably a somewhat odd request, but could anyone have a look at the grammar of the [[Template:Duplicatepage|Duplicatepage template]], which i recently created? I have a tendency to make grammar/spelling mistakes in pages where the wording is not completely my own choice (IE: Where the sentences should follow certain guidelines). Thanks in advance! [[User:Excirial|<font color="191970">'''Excirial''']]</font><sup> ([[User talk:Excirial|<font color="FF8C00">Contact me</font>]],[[Special:Contributions/Excirial|<font color="FF8C00">Contribs</font>]])</sup> 10:32, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:How about: "Hello. An article you recently created has been found to be an identical copy of another page. If you intended to point a new article title to an already existing article, please use a [[Wikipedia:Redirect|redirect]]. Otherwise, please add {{tl|db-g6}} to the top of the page to have it deleted. Thank you." [[User talk:Xenon54|Xenon]][[User:Xenon54|54]] 11:09, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

::Yes, a little less confrontational and less, dare I say, pompous! " It has come to my attention..." sounds like something one of us lawyers would say!&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 16:11, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

::: Much, MUCH better, thanks for that suggestion. The template is an alternative for [[Template:Firstredirect]], with the new template specializing in people duplicating (their own) pages, and [[Template:Duplicatepage|Duplicatepage template]] being used for people creating pages about topics that are already covered. The firstredirect template served as the basis for the new one, and due to this the wording is a little... i think the right word is indeed pompous. [[User:Excirial|<font color="191970">'''Excirial''']]</font><sup> ([[User talk:Excirial|<font color="FF8C00">Contact me</font>]],[[Special:Contributions/Excirial|<font color="FF8C00">Contribs</font>]])</sup> 16:42, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

== where do I go to complain about the way Wikipedia works? ==

... <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/124.171.169.155|124.171.169.155]] ([[User talk:124.171.169.155|talk]]) 11:06, 5 December 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:If you explain the issues a bit, we can direct you to the proper discussions. We need to know if it is a technical issue, a policy or guideline issue, a content issue or a social issue. --—<i><b>—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<font color = "gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</font>]]<font color = "darkblue">&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup></font></b> - </i> 11:28, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

:Probably one of the [[WP:VP|village pumps]]. [[Special:Contributions/Zain Ebrahim111|Zain Ebrahim]] ([[User talk:Zain Ebrahim111|talk]]) 11:31, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

:: To complain about how complicated it has become to create a new article. It used to be easy. I'll go to the village pump if people think that's the best place to raise the issue [[Special:Contributions/124.171.169.155|124.171.169.155]] ([[User talk:124.171.169.155|talk]]) 11:39, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

:::I'm not aware of any changes in creating a new article. What issues are you seeing? --—<i><b>—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<font color = "gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</font>]]<font color = "darkblue">&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup></font></b> - </i> 12:09, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

::::You cannot create a new article without creating an account and logging in. [[Image:Symbol move vote.svg|20px]] Please '''see [[Wikipedia:Your first article|Your first article]].'''
::::#Ensure that you have an account and you are [[Special:Userlogin|logged in]]. If you don't have an account, create one
::::#[[WP:N|Make sure the subject is notable enough to have their own article]]
::::#Find [[WP:REF|references]]
::::#Make sure no article on the subject exists under a different title by typing the subject into the search box to the left (←) and clicking 'Search'
::::#Type the page name in the search box to the left (←) and click 'Go'
::::#Click 'Create this page'
::::#Create the article, including all your references, making sure you adhere to the [[WP:MOS|Manual of Style]] and our [[WP:LAYOUT|article layout guidelines]]
::::#Be aware that Wikipedia [[WP:WWMPD|deletes thousands of new articles]] for failing to adhere to our [[WP:POLICY|policies and guidelines]]. New articles by new users are at extra risk of deletion, due to new users' unfamiliarity with our rules. Consider gaining experience by [[Wikipedia:Cleanup|editing existing articles]] before attempting to create new ones.<!-- Template:HD --> [[User: Densock|'''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:#999FFF">Den</em><em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:Gainsboro">sock</em>''']]|<small>[[User talk:Dendodge|Dendodge]]</small><sup>in public</sup> 12:29, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

:::::: Thanks for all your replies, but I remember a time when all you had to do to create a page was go to the main page and click the "create a page" button. Then wiki created a policy where people had to register to create a page, which meant that unregistered users have to go through an automated series of questions in order to create the page. That's fine. I can understand why all that was brought in. However, I now find myself trying to find the right page to create an article, and then once I've gone through all that, I go to another page which says that the article will be reviewed. Then I have to come back to find the page where the review is pending to see if the article I submitted was accepted or not. Wiki used to have an easy to understand format where all the pending submitted articles for creation where listed. The format/layout is a lot more complicated now.

:::::: Sorry for ranting on, but I just find it complicated to create an article these days. I don't contribute to wiki that often and so lots of small changes in procedure over time tend to confuse me. I'll see if I can bring this up at the village pump, although I'm not sure of the best way to bring up the idea that wiki can sometimes be pretty complicated to use [[Special:Contributions/124.171.169.155|124.171.169.155]] ([[User talk:124.171.169.155|talk]]) 13:16, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

:::::::I have no clue what you are talking about. I have created many pages. I type the title of the page in the search box on the left and click Go. If it doesn't exist, there is a big red link that says "create this page". I click on that, type in the new page, and click save. That's it. There's a new page. There's no hunting for the "create an article" page. There's no review. There's no pending period. It couldn't be simpler. If the page you look for isn't there, you get a link to create it (as long as you are logged in). -- [[User:Kainaw|<font color='#ff0000'>k</font><font color='#cc0033'>a</font><font color='#990066'>i</font><font color='#660099'>n</font><font color='#3300cc'>a</font><font color='#0000ff'>w</font>]][[User talk:Kainaw|&trade;]] 13:25, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::::: Gee, thanks for that Kainaw. I guess it must be pretty easy for everybody then.[[Special:Contributions/124.171.169.155|124.171.169.155]] ([[User talk:124.171.169.155|talk]]) 13:41, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I think they are referring to [[WP:AfC|articles for creation]]. [[User:Seraphim|<font color="CC0033">Seraphim</font>]][[User_talk:Seraphim|<font color="black">&hearts;</font>]] 13:28, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::I think the OP is specifically referring to this [[Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Submissions/VenRus 2008|this article]]. The IP requested that the article be created through the [[WP:AFC|articles for creation process]], which is one legitimate way to create articles. There have been some updates to the AfC process to make it more streamlined, which may have caused some confusion. Alternately, you could create an account, which has many [[WP:WHY|benefits]]. Cheers! <b><font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font>‑<font color="midnightblue"><big><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></big></font>-<font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font></b> 14:10, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
(undent) Over time, the nature of Wikipedia necessarily changes. When Wikipedia was new, it had few articles. Therefore, many [[WP:NOTABLE|notable]] topics did not yet have articles. Before there was an article about [[Jupiter]], for example, it was pretty easy to start the Jupiter article without worrying about whether the subject was notable enough. Wikipedia also was not very well-known, so the people who first discovered Wikipedia tended to be a fairly select and capable group. Today the situation is different. The [[English Wikipedia]] has {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} articles, so almost all of the obviously notable topics have articles now. The remaining topics have increasingly marginal notability, making it progressively harder for new users to create new articles [[WP:WWMPD|that stick]]. Furthermore, Wikipedia is so famous now that it attracts many casual computer users, along with many [[WP:VANDAL|deliberately malicious users]]. Wikipedia has had to introduce progressively more artificial barriers to simulate the natural barrier that Wikipedia's former obscurity provided. However, despite the increasing difficulty of creating new articles on Wikipedia and making them stick, the pace of new article creation has hardly slowed down. Wikipedia might be frustrating thousands of people who can't figure out how to create new articles here, but thousands more are able to [[RTFM|read the friendly manuals]] and figure it out. Also note that as the quality and power of Wikipedia continue to increase, this ''unavoidably'' comes at the cost of increasing complexity. In science and technology, there is a steady trend for things to get more complex over time. For example, compare a [[Wright Flyer]] to a [[Boeing 747]]. The former was simple enough for a couple of bicycle mechanics to build in 1903; the latter has more than one million parts, and requires thousands of trained professionals in a massive [[division of labor]] to build and operate. The 747 is far more capable than the Flyer, and there is probably no way to make it much simpler than it is. In many highly developed (i.e. complex) fields, there are wistful old-timers who long for the good old days when things were simple. They just have to step aside and let the whiz kids keep moving things forward. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 19:08, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

== Expired E-mail addresses ==

from former employments I have two email addresses which have expired in the mean time. It might be that my account's mail address is one of these expired ones. Whom to ask for cancelling.
B.Kleine <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/217.233.126.235|217.233.126.235]] ([[User talk:217.233.126.235|talk]]) 11:42, 5 December 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:You can log in and go to [[Special:Preferences]] and view or change your email address. If you lost your password and your email goes to an account that you no longer have access to, then you are out of luck. --—<i><b>—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<font color = "gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</font>]]<font color = "darkblue">&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup></font></b> - </i> 12:11, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

== What to do with an incoherent article? ==

Well, I'm not sure if incoherent is the right word - I put a "multiple issues" tag on an article ([[Glamour (presentation)]]), and the article's creator asked me to clarify what I meant by "multiple issues", which I explained on the talk page. Basically the article seems to be a series of approximately-related phrases which somehow go together to define what is meant by Glamour. I don't have a particular interest in this subject, but the article seems to need improvement in some sense, and at the moment it's only got one major contributor. Is there somewhere I can suggest that people can get involved and help make this article a more encyclopaedia-friendly article? Cheers, [[User:Richard Hock|Richard Hock]] ([[User talk:Richard Hock|talk]]) 12:43, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

:Frankly, I would nominate that for deletion per Afd as [[WP:OR|original research]] - it reads like someone's fashion/design school term paper and the sole "reference" is next to useless. &nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 16:18, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

:: I would have done so, but the page has already had a no consensus AFD less than a month ago: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Glamour (charm)]]. It seems a bit like bad form to re-nominate again so soon (not to mention the accusation of bad faith the nom has recieved from the article creator in the discussion) - but it doesn't make the page any more coherent and it remains only really edited by one person. Any other advice? [[User:Richard Hock|Richard Hock]] ([[User talk:Richard Hock|talk]]) 17:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:::On the [[Help:History|history page]] of every article, there is a "Page view statistics" link that recently appeared (or I just recently noticed). So now it is possible to see [http://stats.grok.se/en/200810/Glamour_(charm) how much damage] an article like [[Glamour (charm)]] is doing. As you can see by [http://stats.grok.se/en/200810/Glamour_(charm) clicking the link], hardly anyone seems to be looking at this article. ([[Glamour (presentation)]] shows zero views for October with this tool.) On Wikipedia, the incremental cost of an article that hardly anybody views is probably negligible. It seems to me that we should focus our efforts on improving the articles that attract the most views. For example, the [http://stats.grok.se/en/200810/Wind%20power Wind power article] supposedly gets more than 100,000 views per month, which suggests a lot more people care about what's in that article than what's in [[Glamour (presentation)]]. Furthermore, [[Wind power]] is a clearly notable topic, so there are lots of good sources. It seems to me that you already did your part with the Glamour article, since you explained the problems on the talk page. Now you can either fix the problems yourself, or wait for someone else to fix them. If few people care about the article, you may have to wait a long time. You can try to call more attention to the article, and maybe that will work, but Wikipedia has lots of articles with problems that get more views, and they tend to get attention first. I suspect when an article seems to be a "one editor show" that probably means few people care about the article. Articles that matter will invariably attract lots of editors who make it very difficult for one single editor to dominate. Incidentally, clock time is not the most meaningful measure of time on Wikipedia - page views probably are. For an article to reach a certain level of collaborative development, it probably has to get a corresponding number of page views. For a popular article, that happens in very little clock time, whereas an obscure article might need decades to accumulate the requisite attention. Thus you need to apply a different concept of time when considering the slow rate of improvement for an obscure article. The obscure article is probably about as good as we would expect it to be, given the fact that hardly anybody is looking at it. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 19:32, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

:''Incoherent'' is a one term for the article. Can I claim points for the neologism "needs a Wiki-enema"? --—<i><b>—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<font color = "gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</font>]]<font color = "darkblue">&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup></font></b> - </i> 21:05, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

== Webpage Expired when using Back button ==

I've been successfully editing for many months, using Explorer under Vista. Suddenly a new problem has appeared. If I start an edit, then preview, then follow a link in the previewed article, then go back, I'm getting "Webpage has expired". I can proceed using refresh, but this never used to happen until about yesterday. What's changed, and how can I change it back? [[User:SamuelTheGhost|SamuelTheGhost]] ([[User talk:SamuelTheGhost|talk]]) 13:21, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:I don't know, but the same thing happens to me when I edit from my place of employment, but not when I edit from my home. Both computers use Explorer—the same version, even, I think. I've wondered about it myself. [[User:Deor|Deor]] ([[User talk:Deor|talk]]) 16:34, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
::Simple answer - use [[Mozilla Firefox|this much better browser]]. '''[[User:Dendodge|<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Den</em><em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:red">dodge</em>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Dendodge|Talk]]</small><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Dendodge|Contribs]]</sup> 18:01, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

:::While that is an excellent idea, it's not always possible for users to install applications on work computers. From [[User:Deor|Deor]]'s comment, it may be related to the way a firewall operates between browser and Wikipedia.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 18:40, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
::::I've taken that advice, and it works. Thanks. It would still be nice to know what was wrong with Explorer ... [[User:SamuelTheGhost|SamuelTheGhost]] ([[User talk:SamuelTheGhost|talk]]) 18:52, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::Now that you have installed FireFox, the wonderful world of FF extensions/add-ons is open to you. I can recommend two that help with WP editing: [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4358 Wikipedia history] and [http://wpcite.mozdev.org/ WPCite to simplify cite web operations].&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 19:06, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::If you are not allowed to install Firefox, you might be able to run the [[Mozilla Firefox, Portable Edition]] from a [[USB flash drive]]. However, the corporate security folks might not like that, as running flash drive apps on home and work computers is a classic vector for [[malware]] invasions at work. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 20:03, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

== Music notability ==
Given that I can provide sufficient information about a song by a popular artist (I am mainly interested in [[Sting]] and [[The Police]] which is not immensely popular, if I were to write an article on it, would it meet the [[WP:NSONGS]] criteria? My opinion is that adding an article to wikipedia (with proper and sufficiently referenced info, etc.) would only serve to increase the information on the site and would expand it in a positive manner. What is the wikipedically and politically correct viewpoint on this? --[[User:Leif edling|Leif edling]] ([[User talk:Leif edling|talk]]) 13:32, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

:What song are you referring to? --—<i><b>—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<font color = "gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</font>]]<font color = "darkblue">&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup></font></b> - </i> 14:09, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:The question is not whether the song is popular, but rather whether it is notable. Thus, a box-office failure which was a critical success, or even attracted notable critical attention ''as a failure'', might qualify. --[[User:Orangemike|<font color="darkorange">Orange Mike</font>]] &#x007C; [[User talk:Orangemike|<font color="orange">Talk</font>]] 14:43, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

== Recognition for DYK nomination. ==

Hi, I am not sure if this is the right place to ask this question, so please point me to some other page if I am wrong. I created and nominated article [[Sitabuldi Fort]] which was featured on DYK section yesterday (Dec 04). But I did not receive a message on my talk page [http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User_talk:Gppande/Archive_6#DYK_for_Indo-Polish_relations like this]. Is the process of recognizing the DYK nominator stopped now after DYKBot took over the charge? If not, then can some good admin award me the same so that I can add it to my [[User:Gppande/Main Page Contributions|collection]]. --[[User:gppande|<font color="red" face="cursive">'''GP'''</font><font color="black" face="cursive">'''Pande'''</font>]] [[User talk:gppande|<font color="blue">'''talk!'''</font>]] 14:57, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:I am not an admin, but I verified that you did create said article and have added the appropriate template to your talk page. I am not sure, however, whether or not that is something that should be done automatically by the DYKBot. Cheers! <b><font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font>‑<font color="midnightblue"><big><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></big></font>-<font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font></b> 15:01, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
::{{thank you}} --[[User:gppande|<font color="red" face="cursive">'''GP'''</font><font color="black" face="cursive">'''Pande'''</font>]] [[User talk:gppande|<font color="blue">'''talk!'''</font>]] 15:05, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

== how do i enter a biography? ==

Profile
Born: August 31st, as Meirta Villegas Galdi in Buenos Aires, Argentina, legalized nickname in childhood to Mimi Villegas Galdi.

Raised in the the United States, Torrance/Redondo Beach, California area http://www.ci.torrance.ca.us. Relocated and resides permanently in Buenos Aires, Argentina http://www.argentina.ar/ caused by Case Galdi vs. Megdal YCO30202 and all that followed. U.S. Citizen.

Political Party: Republican

Spouse: Annulled

Children: One adult child

Residence: Buenos Aires, Argentina

Occupation: Healthcare Management and International Outsourcing, Activist

Religion: Non-denominational Christian

The Villegas family is one of the first Spanish families to be established in Mendoza, Argentina http://www.mendoza.gov.ar. Argentine Military General Blas Villegas http://www.ejercito.mil.ar/ married Mercedes de los Rios in the late 1930s or Orthodox Roman Catholic background, producing son Orlando Marcelo Villegas who married Italian immigrant Anamaria Galdi Trussi in late 1960s in hence Mimi Villegas Galdi. Father registered to volunteer for Vietnam war with prior military experience. Villegas' are U.S. citizens retired in the United States.

Education:

El Camino College, Associate of Science Degree General Education/Administration of Justice, Associates of Arts Degree in English Literature.

Southern California Regional Occupational Center, Certificate in Healthcare Management, California State License Dentistry, State of California Trade School Teaching Credential.

Redondo Beach Beauty College, Licensed Medical Esthetician.

(Educational goals were not finished caused by Galdi vs. Megdal YCO30202) <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Mimi Villegas Galdi|Mimi Villegas Galdi]] ([[User talk:Mimi Villegas Galdi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mimi Villegas Galdi|contribs]]) 16:07, 5 December 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Well I am afraid that unless you are notable as described [[WP:BIO|here]], your bio does not belong on WP. There are alternatives however. See [http://wikipopuli.com Wikipopuli] and [http://wikibios.com Wikibios].&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 16:21, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

== What is considered notable information or articles? My page got deleted because of lack of notability. ==

I started a page for a musician I work with named Erin McCarley. After linking to numerous websites to verify information on her career, my page was deleted. Are websites like myspace or blogs not sufficient sources? She clearly has presence on the web, I'm not sure why Wikipedia won't allow her page to stay up. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Musiclindsay|Musiclindsay]] ([[User talk:Musiclindsay|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Musiclindsay|contribs]]) 16:34, 5 December 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Unfortunately, websites like blogs and Myspace are not considered reliable. See [[WP:RS|this guide]] for what Wikipedia considers reliable sources to be. Cheers! <b><font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font>‑<font color="midnightblue"><big><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></big></font>-<font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font></b> 16:49, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
::And also see [[WP:BIO]], [[WP:MUSIC]], and [[WP:COI]].&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 18:41, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:::or [[WP:GARAGE|this]] essay. [[User:Garycompugeek|Garycompugeek]] ([[User talk:Garycompugeek|talk]]) 19:22, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

== How to steal Empire State Building ==

How to download [[Empire State Building]] to my personal space and sharing space?? [[User:JustbeBPMF|JustbeBPMF]] ([[User talk:JustbeBPMF|talk]]) 17:12, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:[[Special:Export]] can export it as XML, if that's what you want. '''[[User:Dendodge|<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Den</em><em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:red">dodge</em>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Dendodge|Talk]]</small><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Dendodge|Contribs]]</sup> 17:14, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

== How To Email An Article ==

Is there <s>a better</s> ''any other'' way to email an article than to cut and past the url into my email software? Thanks. --[[User:LexScript|LexScript]] ([[User talk:LexScript|talk]]) 21:28, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


:Why not just copy the URL and paste it into your email? --—<i><b>—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<font color = "gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</font>]]<font color = "darkblue">&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup></font></b> - </i> 21:01, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
::Most browsers have a function to e-mail a page link. In Firefox, it's File - Send Link; in Internet Explorer 7, it's Page - Send Link By E-Mail. IE7 also has an option to Send Page By E-Mail, presumably it attaches the page to an e-mail. [[User talk:Xenon54|Xenon]][[User:Xenon54|54]] 21:57, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I'm inclined to answer "no" because I cannot think of a better way to e-mail an article than to send just the [[URL]]. Sending the whole text of the article as a file attachment is rude unless you are absolutely certain your recipient has the necessary software to view the [[MIME|attachment]] just the way you expect, ''and'' you know your recipient really wants to see the article. Many computer-savvy people refuse to open e-mail attachments because these are a classic vector for [[computer virus]]es and other [[malware]]. Of course if you want an even better way to send articles, don't use e-mail at all. Instead, make friends who know how to use [[wiki]]s, and then you can add [[Help:Link|links]] to your text just as I am doing. I just "sent" you six articles in the course of writing those few sentences. I didn't have to copy and paste anything, since I already knew the names of the pages I wanted to send you. I just put double square brackets <code><nowiki>[[]]</nowiki></code> around them. Once you get used to communicating in this incredibly efficient way, it becomes difficult to leave the logical world of Wikipedia and go back to the rest of the world where [[:Image:NotSuckBanner.jpg|everything generally sucks]]. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 22:09, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

== bray cary ==

why was the article about west virginia media's bray cary deleted? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.108.225.107|75.108.225.107]] ([[User talk:75.108.225.107|talk]]) 20:22, 5 December 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:If you're talking about the article titled [[Bray Cary]], then it consisted only of a short string of random characters. [[User talk:Algebraist|Algebraist]] 20:24, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

==Can importance ratings be updated??==
Strange question I know, but several articles on TV series have been rated as having mid-important, only to lose importance over time, to the point that although they were mid-importance back in 2007, they were quickly cancelled, and are almost forgotten today, plus made little impact on TV in general. My question is, can their notability rating be changed if they get even less important? [[User:Retro Agnostic|Retro Agnostic]] ([[User talk:Retro Agnostic|talk]]) 21:12, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

:Yes, by editing the WikiProject templates at the top of the talk page. For example, for biographies, it will look like this:

<nowiki>{{WPBiography|class=B|importance=mid}}</nowiki>

:Plus some other parameters. The other templates will look similar to the above. Best, <font face="Arial"> [[User:PeterSymonds|<font color="#02e">Peter</font><font color="#02b"><b>Symonds</b></font>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:PeterSymonds|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]])</font> 21:19, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

==How to delete a page==

Hello.
I have a question about deleting completely a page.
One time, I was at a friend's house and we thought it would be funny to create a page. It was silly,
and I really dont want it to be up anymore. Nothing bad is written on it, but it just kind of worries me.
Could you somehow delete my page fully?
Or tell me how to?
Ive looked and looked on wiki for deleting page articles, but it doesnt tell me alot.
Sorry.

Thanks. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/125.237.72.195|125.237.72.195]] ([[User talk:125.237.72.195|talk]]) 21:56, 5 December 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:You can put a {{Tl|db-author}} template on it. Then an [[WP:ADMIN|administrator]] should delete it for you soon enough. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 22:11, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
::When you add the tag, be sure you are logged in from the account you used to create the page. —[[User:TEB728|teb728]] [[User talk:TEB728|t]] [[Special:Contributions/TEB728|c]] 04:50, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

== Talk page ==

While message ticker appears at the head of the page, the messages by others are not appearing on my talk page.Will you please clarify and what is the problem and rectify it?
<span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Nvvchar|Nvvchar]] ([[User talk:Nvvchar|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nvvchar|contribs]]) 23:41, 5 December 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned2 -->
:[[Image:P_ktip.svg|20px]] '''[[WP:CACHE|Clear your browser's cache]]''' by following the instructions found by following the link to the left. It may also be a good idea to {{purge}}.<!-- Template:HD --> '''[[User:Dendodge|<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Den</em><em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:red">dodge</em>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Dendodge|Talk]]</small><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Dendodge|Contribs]]</sup> 23:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

:Note also that new messages will not appear at the bottom of your talk page if they are part of an existing message thread.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 16:06, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

= December 6 =

==Book Cover image for infobox==

I am putting together everything for an infobox on an article on a novel, ''The Road to Samarcand.'' I have looked at examples of other infoboxes of novels, and they often have likenesses of the covers. Would all of these pictures have been uploaded to Wikimediacommons, or is there another way to put images into infoboxes? I'm completely stuck about how to answer the licensing questions in order to upload the cover image, which I scanned, into Wikimediacommons. If anyone has experience with book covers in infoboxes, I would really appreciate some pointers. Thank you! [[User:Hammerdrill|Hammerdrill]] ([[User talk:Hammerdrill|talk]]) 04:39, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:Only [[free image]]s can be uploaded to commons. Few if any book covers are free. So they have to be uploaded on English Wikipedia with a {{tl|non-free book cover}} tag and a {{tl|book cover fur}} non-free use rationale. —[[User:TEB728|teb728]] [[User talk:TEB728|t]] [[Special:Contributions/TEB728|c]] 04:47, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

== Copy and Paste Symbols ==
How come I need to copy and paste the symbols instead of just clicking them like I used to? Eg.{{}} {{{}}} | [] [[]]--[[User:theoneintraining|<font color="grey">intraining</font>]] [[User talk:Theoneintraining|<font color="red"><sup>Jack In</sup></font>]] 06:04, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:I'd say you should ask at [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)]], since it looks like nobody here has any theories beyond what Chamal and Mgm already suggested. For the record, I'm also using Firefox and have had none of the problems you mention, so I haven't the foggiest. Report back if you find an answer elsewhere! --[[User:Fullobeans|Fullobeans]] ([[User talk:Fullobeans|talk]]) 07:09, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
::O.K. thanks for your response, I will let you know if I find an answer.--[[User:theoneintraining|<font color="grey">intraining</font>]] [[User talk:Theoneintraining|<font color="red"><sup>Jack In</sup></font>]] 08:27, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

== Too many citations? ==
I would like to know how many citations is "too many"; what I mean is when it creates a problem like this:

...been profiled in Chinese media.<sup>[2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21]</sup>.

(Article [[Linda Wang (actor)]], first few lines. Thanks! ←Signed:→<font color="#380355" face="Segoe Script"><span style="cursor:move">Mr. E. Sánchez</span> <sup>'''[[User:ESanchez013|Get to know me!]]'''</sup> / <sub>'''[[User talk:ESanchez013|Talk to me!]]'''</sub></font>←at≈:→ 07:14, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
*For a particular debated statement, I'd say 4 refs would be acceptable. Unless all these links to the same domain actually show news from different sources, I think only one should stay. Otherwise, about 3-4 seems right (personal opinion). I'd move the excess links to the article's talk page. - [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm]]|[[User talk:MacGyverMagic|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:54, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

== People rewriting History ==

On most articles, I see people rewriting history. This is against [[WP:MOS]]. Why is this? [[Special:Contributions/62.24.251.240|62.24.251.240]] ([[User talk:62.24.251.240|talk]]) 10:08, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

:Well, it's difficult with an encyclopedia that anyone can edit. History has many viewpoints, conflicting arguments, historiography and re-historiography, so there's never one viewpoint. It's ideal to keep articles in a [[WP:NPOV|neutral point of view]], i.e. by discussing each historian's views with a balanced view on what happened (or what didn't). If you see history being rewritten, it's better to [[WP:BOLD|be bold and fix it]] yourself, or post to the talk page. Best, <font face="Arial"> [[User:PeterSymonds|<font color="#02e">Peter</font><font color="#02b"><b>Symonds</b></font>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:PeterSymonds|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]])</font> 10:12, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

::What do you mean by rewriting history? I'm confused because history has nothing to do with the MoS. Is this something about article history? But as Peter Symonds says, if it's about wrong information on history, then you can fix it with suitable references. But please note that the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is [[WP:V|verifiability]], not truth. Even if something here doesn't agree with our belief or viewpoint, if it's backed by reliable sources, it stays. If you're adding another viewpoint, make sure it is referenced and try to present all viewpoints in a neutral manner. Cheers. [[User:Chamal_N|'''<span style="color:#000080">C</span>h<span style="color:#0000FF">a</span><span style="color:#4169E1">m</span><span style="color:#1E90FF">a</span><span style="color:#87CEEB">l</span>''']] [[User talk:Chamal_N|<sup>talk</sup>]] 10:18, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

== Suggesting a new section: what NOT to put in edit summaries ==

''I was direct here from [[Help talk:Edit summary]].''

Hi everybody,

Recently I've been experiencing that some editors put messages towards others in their edit summaries. I, in my most humble opinion, find that unnecessary, let alone if that is a [[WP:NPA|personal attack]] or an offensive stance ([http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Talk:1981_Irish_hunger_strike&action=history], [http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Age_of_Empires:_The_Age_of_Kings&action=history], [http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Susan_Kiger&action=history]). I don't know how others feel about this, but maybe the guide lines should be updated. --[[User:Soetermans|<small>'''Soetermans'''</small>]] | [[User talk:Soetermans|<small>'''is listening'''</small>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Soetermans|<small>'''what he'd do now?'''</small>]] 13:35, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
*Personal attacks are already forbidden, so I don't think it's particularly neccesary to ban them from edit summaries. However, there are other messages better left on user or article talk pages. If you can get a consensus that describes the kind of messages that shouldn't be in it, then I totally agree mentioning them in the policy is a good idea. - [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm]]|[[User talk:MacGyverMagic|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:41, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

== "Hiding" a template ==

I'm about to deliver a newsletter, but I think most members would like it better if it was "hidden" because it is kind of large. You can find it [[User:Grk1011/Newsletter Development/December 2008|here]]. If someone could just change its normal state to hidden that would be great, because I don't know how to. [[User:Grk1011|Grk1011/Stephen]] ([[User talk:Grk1011|talk]]) 17:02, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:Done. See [[Help:Collapsing]]. [[User talk:Algebraist|Algebraist]] 17:03, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks. [[User:Grk1011|Grk1011/Stephen]] ([[User talk:Grk1011|talk]]) 17:04, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Why not just deliver the link to people? If you're going to make them click on something to see the content, they could just as easily click on a link. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 20:26, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Idk, it takes away from the fact that its more of a publication, and I guess it could be vandalized? I don't mind delivering it. [[User:Grk1011|Grk1011/Stephen]] ([[User talk:Grk1011|talk]]) 20:35, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

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