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Dear Tigraan,

continuing our discussion [1]. Thank you for your feedback. I appreciate your comments. In this specific case I think additional info would have been confusing. I had considered adding extra info about using sources. I believe basic info on how we work with sources would have been helpful, however also confusing. WP:BLP would not have been the first extra info I would have given this editor. Wishing you all the best.

Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 19:02, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

@Taketa: I agree WP:BLP would have been a ton of info, most of it useless. But the particular section WP:BLPPRIVACY looked like a fit. I usually offer more info than requested in my HD answers when I can infer it might be useful, but maybe that is just me.

To be frank, I was not entirely sure you were aware of that (rather obscure) part of the policy and wanted to be sure you knew it for future reference, since you seem intent of becoming a Help Desk regular. I apologize if that assumption was incorrect. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 19:27, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Dear Tigraan, thank you for your response. I have been helping on the helpdesk for quite some years now. Though I am not very active on the English Wikipedia (10% of my edits) and even less on the Help Desk. Guidelines differ between Wikipedias and it is good to be reminded. I am aware why the date of birth was not yet in this article. However I did not think it was important for the user to know this.

I usually give the info I think would most benefit the user. In this case I estimated a low amount of info would be best, since they could not find the edit button. The first problem the user could face would be a revert. Most likely on the basis of sources (not BLP). Such a revert would be the most likely reason for the user to leave or hate Wikipedia. If the user would become active, they can learn later. If they do not become active I do not want them to leave us angry. As such I had considered adding info about sources. However, I also considered what would happen to such info. I estimated the chance of a revert would not be reduced if I added the info. The user would most likely not understand. Moreover the user might not edit at all, which would be even worse. The date of birth was hard to find. They most likely had a source and people could always ask afterwards.

BLP guidelines were related to the topic. It is the reason the date of birth was not in the article in the first place. However I do not think the user needs to know this. They cannot find the edit button, so I prefer to give them a very clear explanation, with no unnecessary info.

I appreciate the feedback and care for your fellow editors. Even if we would have approached the situation differently I am sure your solution would be equally good. Keep up the good work. All the best, Taketa (talk) 19:39, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Help desk

I removed your comment from the section "Does Natives (Éditions) meet the demand of Wikipedia:Notability" because it apparently outs the true identity of a Wikipedian. Dorsetonian (talk) 19:39, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

I've re-read that policy a couple of times and I suspect I've over-reacted. My initial thought was that the user did not intend to out themselves and whether they did or not, highlighting it fell foul of "the fact that an editor has posted personal information or edits under their own name, making them easily identifiable through online searches, is not an excuse to post the results". However, that seems to refer exclusively to off-wiki posts. The fact is, they have apparently identified themselves and thus "that person has voluntarily posted his or her own information". So I have self-reverted, restoring your comment. Humble apologies. Dorsetonian (talk) 20:38, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

No problem, Dorsetonian; better safe than sorry in such cases. Technically that was off-wiki, because the upload was done on Commons rather than on Wikipedia, but the photograph has been linked in Wikipedia from where the upload info is visible. Also, we have no guarantee that they are who they claim to be, though it seems more likely than not. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 12:55, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

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Purim

Hi. some paragraphs of phrase used by second sources, but it's not accurate. i think the writer was melting first and secondary sources for Declaring his or her Idea. the text is talking about Artaxerxes II, but the purim didn't happend in this king era. I taught the whole of this text is original research. --Dandamayev (talk) 13:20, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

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Astrophysical plasma

Perhaps you might comment on a disagreement at [2]. Thanks, Attic Salt (talk) 18:46, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

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Loraof's Diophantine equation

Hey Tigraan! For m,n coprime solutions, your "m must be three times a perfect square" is a considerable refinement over RDBury's "m has the form 2^a3^bu where u is a powerful number relatively prime to 6". I see how his can be refined to "m has the form 2^a3^bu where u is a perfect square and a,b∈{0,1}", alternately "m must be a prefect square or two, three, or six times a perfect square", but I can't seem to take it the rest of the way. p-adic valuation is not yet a tool in my war chest, and I will try better to understand your argument tonight, but in the mean time, are you sure of your argument, and does it handle m=n=1? That is a trivial solution to the equation, intentionally excluded from the stated question, but not excluded from your argument anywhere I see. m=n>1 would, of course, be excluded by the coprime requirement. Cheers! -- ToE 18:12, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Hey again! I finally figured out why the highest power of 2 which divides m is not odd (I guess the p-adic phraseology is "v_2(m) is not odd"), so that brings me to m being either a perfect square or three time a perfect square. That's what RDBury is now saying your argument concludes as well, so this can be addressed on the ref desk. Anyhow, thanks tons for this. Not only does the restriction on m reduce the number of values which need to be tested for each n, but by being able to test 4n³-m³ instead of 4mn³-m⁴, I can greatly increase the range of n from a max of 49,796=floor((2⁶⁴/3)^1/4) to a max of 1,664,510=floor((2⁶⁴/4)^1/3), while still staying within the limits of native, fast 64-bit. -- ToE 22:16, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

• @Thinking of England: Well, my argument does fail in the case m=n, because the p-adic order of 0 is infinite for every p (and therefore any parity argument breaks down). Per RDBury's argument we can restrict ourselves to case with m and n coprime, so the problem is only for m=n=1 really, which can be handled by hand.

As for numerical testing, if you want to seriously explore solutions (and you want to minimize the running time rather than the coding time) the way to go would be modular arithmetic. The Chinese remainder theorem says that if two numbers are equal modulo each of the pairwise coprime numbers p1, p2, ... pn, then they are equal modulo p1*p2*...pn, so the real limit (even in native 64/bit arithmetic) is the product of all primes up to 2^64-1, which is probably a large enough number that you won't reach that limit. (Well, actually, you can use p1^α1*p2^α2*...pn^αn where αi is the biggest integer that does not make pi^αi go other your limit, but modular arithmetic with non-primes is more treacherous and IIRC has slower implementations because of math reasons.) There are probably libraries for such computations in many languages, but I do not know them. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 09:50, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

• Well, it was archived, but RDBury is correct that I was too hasty in my conclusion. If either of v_3(m) or v_3(n) is nonzero, then my argument applies and m is indeed three times a perfect square. However, if 3 divides neither m nor n, then v_3(m^3-n^3) could be anything, and as long as it is an odd number the condition is verified. (This implies that 3 does not divide n, but not that 3 divides m). So either m is three times any perfect square, or it is a perfect square that is not divided by 3. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 10:01, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

It's amazing to me how much traction this seemingly random Diophantine equation has gotten. Somehow I though that the archiving bot didn't remove a thread unless the last entry was more three days old, so I was surprised and a bit disappointed when I saw it was gone even though it was still active. Anyway, thanks for mentioning p-valuation and finding the possible forms for m, by applying this I think it's possible to reduce the problem to a finite number of cubic equations, hopefully an improvement over a quartic equation. I haven't worked out the details yet, and I guess that now that the thread is dead it would just be for personal satisfaction anyway, but I'll start a new thread if I get stuck. --RDBury (talk) 20:34, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

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Another Daily Mail RfC

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Bots Newsletter, March 2018

Bots Newsletter, March 2018

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I'm sorry if my rather big error at the Teahouse today caused you embarrassment, too. I am only pleased it was spotted and that we didn't end up achieving the total opposite of what we try to do there - namely, encourage and support new editors to become good contributors, and not drive them away. Thank you for your immediate note to the user and for striking your comments. I rapidly tried to do the same before having to leave for a while. But I've now looked into how I made that error and felt it appropriate to leave a clear apology to DD01, both at the Teahouse and on their own talk page. I think it's the least I could do. Thanks again. Regards Nick Moyes (talk) 23:20, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

• No big deal Nick Moyes, I am as guilty as you were in misreading the edit diff. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 12:24, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

And now, after all that editing, the user has very successfully gone and got themselves permanently blocked! Nick Moyes (talk) 14:46, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

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No time tag on Muninnbot notifications

I see that the notifications from Muninnbot do not have a time tag. Apart from the general point that it is helpful to see who said what when, it is also likely that messages without timestamps will confuse automatic archiving bots (as mentioned at WP:Signature). Could you correct it, please? --David Biddulph (talk) 03:24, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

• @David Biddulph: that's a good point. This can be done by editing the substituted template at User:Tigraan-testbot/Teahouse archival notification, rather than the bot's source code. I failed to do so by a quick trial-and-error, but the folks at VPT will surely know. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 10:11, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

  Actually: done. My homework before posting at VPT turned up the correct template with the precooked safesubst code. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 10:17, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

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How does Muninnbot decide what to archived? A 10 fireplane (talk) 19:06, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

• @A 10 fireplane: It doesn't. Archival is done by lowercase sigmabot III who is invoked via the template User:MiszaBot/config.

I believe most general questions about the "decisions" Muninnbot itself makes are answered by User:Muninnbot/doc#General_principles_of_bot_design. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 08:51, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

ahh ok thank you A 10 fireplane (talk) 11:10, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

I was just wondering @Tigraan: because on my talk page Muninnbot notified me that a discussion was archived A 10 fireplane (talk) 11:29, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

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Reliable source edit Military equipment of the European Union

Hello! Yesterday you asked some reliable sources to edit this page and I have some. You said there were only two frigates, that's not true. The Netherlands has 2 frigates of the Karel Doorman-class and 4 frigates of the Zeven Provinciën-class. The extra amphibious support ship is the HNLMS Karel Doorman (A833), a Joint Support Ship. I did make one mistake though, because the Royal Netherlands Navy doesn't have any destroyers. Here are my sources: https://www.defensie.nl/organisatie/marine/materieel/schepen and https://marineschepen.nl/schepen/marineschepen-nederland.html SjoerdvDonk (talk) 07:28, 12 June 2018 (UTC) 07:22, 12 June 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SjoerdvDonk (talk • contribs)

Wrong link

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Just minutes after I reported this, Tigraan gave me a thanks and fixed it, so i guess it’s  Done Porkchop Jr. 01:30, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

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Normal distribution

In this edit, your comment about a "red herring" shows that you have no understanding of what the article is about. The point is about the normal distribution, not about the relationship between independence and uncorrelatedness. With a multivariate normal distribution, linear combinations of the components are independent if they are uncorrelated. This article shows why joint normality rather than only marginal normality is needed. Michael Hardy (talk) 00:44, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

• Noted, but let's keep that discussion on the AfD page, please. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 07:14, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

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Thank you

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Article nominated for deletion

The article List of India national football team hat-tricks [[3]] has been nominated for deletion. Is it possible to know if the article has violated any wikipedia guidelines and if yes which ones?

Regards DipanjanDatta1974 (talk) 15:56, 18 July 2018 (UTC)DipanjanDatta1974

• @DipanjanDatta1974: I nominated the article for deletion. As stated in the nomination statement, I think it does not make a good standalone list, i.e. it fails the WP:SALAT guideline, in particular the short passage Lists that are too specific are also a problem. The "list of one-eyed horse thieves from Montana" will be of little interest to anyone other than the creator of the list. Now that is my opinion; the point of the AfD (articles for deletion) nomination is that others may give input, and my argument may be rejected by the community.

If you have questions about the process itself, I would be happy to answer, or you can hop to the Teahouse. However, for any discussion of that specific article, please go to the AfD page, located at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_India_national_football_team_hat-tricks, so that other editors can see your arguments (without having to read my talk page). In particular, if you believe my nomination to be incorrect after having reviewed the guideline I linked to, make your case on the AfD page, not here. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 16:05, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

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Bots Newsletter, August 2018

Bots Newsletter, August 2018

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• There were no changes in BAG membership since the last Bots Newsletter. Headbomb went from semi-active to active.
• In the last 3 months, only 3 BAG members have closed requests - help is needed with the backlog.

BOTREQs and BRFAs

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• Use of tags by bots – Exploring the use of a new 'bot' tag.
• Mass page moves – Bot policy question/clarification about mass moves.
• Creation of redirects – Bot policy question/clarification about the creation of redirects.
• Guidance on disruptive use of semi–automated tools? – Related to meatbots (see also MOS discussion, which resulted in small addition to MOS:VAR).
• Discussion concerning WP:BOTFLAG/WP:RC – A reminder that bots should use the bot flag when it makes sense to use it (see also VPT discussion and CREATEBOT update).
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Varma movie discussion

Thanks for clearly explaining. This is my first movie and hence any proof will come out a little later. I'm on FB and Instagram as Rraj Singha. That's why it would be easier to find out from the directors office , which would be easier for Kailash editor to do as he's a local guy. But as you do not want to do it which I understood by your explanation, it would take a few days for some proof to come out in the open. I'm just amazed by the fact that I've acted in this movie and have to literally beg you guys to put my name in the cast. Rraj6 (talk) 17:11, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

• @Rraj6: Maybe the other editor can find it easily. But I cannot, and neither can 99% of our readers. You might want to read Wikipedia:But it's true!, as I guess the title was your reaction when seeing the reverts.

Also, begging us will achieve nothing. The problem is not that we hate you, or that we want to be flattered to do stuff for you. It is just that we have certain guidelines and, although extremely rare justified exceptions are warranted, following them usually results in the best outcome for the encyclopedia. It is certainly the case here - if I tried to edit the article listing "Tigraan" as actor for your role, "trust me" should not be accepted as sufficient sourcing. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 17:22, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Requirement for a reference junction - Article about Thermocouples

Hello Tigran, I haven't had much time the last few days, so I'm just getting back to you today.

Usually thermocouples are connected via a compensation cable up to the field device. The reference junction is thus on the field device and an RTD temperature probe (part of the field device) measures the temperature for the compensation. This is the rule in industry.

If the accuracy requirements are very high (e.g. for calibrations), the "ice bath" method is used. This is the first point in the article, but it concerns special cases.

I've been working in measurement and control technology for 20 years now, but I've only seen the "junction block method" a few times.

My additions were already contained in the block "reference junction block", so the deletion is fine for me. I'd misunderstood the existing section.

But I would like to edit the block "Requirement for a reference junction" within the next days. So I can contribute some of my practical experience to this article.

--Regelklaus (talk) 09:43, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

• @Regelklaus: Thanks for getting in touch. Yeah, I know how thermocouples are used. Ice baths are rare, but I am not aware of a good source saying so; would you have one? Before you contribute some of [your] practical experience to this article, please read carefully WP:OR. It is fine to use your knowledge to find good sources, but it is not fine to use your knowledge as a source.

Also: could you say what your relationship with JUMO is? If you are an employee there, please read carefully our guide about conflicts of interest. I am asking because I do not think the links you left to that page are really relevant - when talking about general principles of physics, automation etc. one would rather link to textbooks etc. than company-issued explanatory material. (If someone gave you an order to add such links, please read WP:PAID and make the appropriate, mandatory disclosure.) Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 12:48, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

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You have made my job easier. When I finally get around to reading a Teahouse archive page, and the person who asked the question did not reply and was not pinged or notified on the talk page (including the new template), if that person was new, I make sure to notify the person using a revised version of the normal Teahouse talkback template that was used after a thread had been archived. However, occasionally the bot does not notify people. I was wondering what might have happened.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:15, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

• @Vchimpanzee: occasionally the bot does not notify people - I recently (three weeks ago, on October 20) corrected a bug that caused the bot to entirely stop working as soon as one of the Teahouse edits in the last 10 days was revdelled (which caused it to be down half of October, and there was some trouble in September as well). It should be OK now though. If you have seen after Oct 20, or see in the future, an instance where the bot fails to notify people, please warn me (if you know how to use that kind of things, use the issue tracker on Gitlab, else drop me a note here with as much info as you can directly observe). Cheers! Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 09:41, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Here are three cases where I had to notify the person myself: [4] and [5] and [6].— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:17, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

@Vchimpanzee: Sorry, I was not clear. I meant that if you see a case where the thread was archived after Oct 20, it would not be normal that they did not get the notification. In the cases you point here, the thread archival occurred before that date, though your manual notification came later. So, thanks for the pointers, but I do not see anything off so far. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 10:00, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm way behind. I thought about doing two archives per day but it takes so long to do just one.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 16:31, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

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Thank you for your advice about my Teahouse question! I appreciated your thoughtful and helpful reply! SunnyBoi (talk) 10:59, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

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Justin Huang

Hi Tigraan

Can you give some guidance about how to deal with the removal of referenced material on the Justin Huang article? Talk:Justin Huang I accept that there was too much detail (just wanted it to be comprehensive) and i am fine with writing a pared down version, but have concerns that any details on the page that are not favourable to the subject will again be wiped. Tried to discuss with Chongkian but he/she hasn't responded so not sure how to proceed. Thanks Before the Bang (talk) 23:24, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

• @Before the Bang: I would imagine you and Chongkian's tendencies to write very long monolithic comments on the talk page discourages discussion, and that why they have not answered yet. You could suggest some specific edits (i.e. "change X to Y") on the talk page in small chunks, that would probably facilitate the discussion.

I would suggest to keep all content-related discussion on the talk page, but for a sample of what was wrong in your version (removal diff for reference):

1. Huang's support for the resort placed him on a collision course with a coalition of indigenous land rights advocates and environmentalists, including traditional custodian, Lin Shu-ling (林淑玲), an Amis woman from the Tse-tung buluo (indigenous village) who argued: (quote) is very verbose. A better version would be Indigenous land right advocates and environmentalists opposed the project: Lin Shu-ling said that (quote), or even omit the quote in text (but keep the ref): Indigenous land right advocates and environmentalists such as Lin Shu-ling opposed the project. (That works because LSL is a blue link, it would be tougher otherwise.)
2. With Miramar's opening blocked, Magistrate Huang announced: (two paragraphs of quote bringing little information) That could be removed entirely. The whole section is heavy on quotes. (Also, it should be "Huang", not "Magistrate Huang" - see WP:HONORIFICS.)
3. However, the incinerator was ultimately abandoned due to reasons of economic unviability. An increase in recycling meant there wasn't enough burnable product in Taitung County (pop. 240 000) for the incinerator to operate at a profit. (ref) - The first sentence is perfectly understandable on its own. The second sentence, though probably well-sourced to the reference (otherwise, see WP:OR) provides only extremely detailed trivia on top of that. It is not likely to be interesting to the general reader, and can be removed to improve the readability of the article (I don't have a specific guideline to quote here, but the spirit ofWP:IINFO and WP:UNDUE can guide us).

Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 16:20, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Tagraan. I am fine with making those amendments. Do i need to write/upload from scratch again or is there a way to access what was already written? Before the Bang (talk) 08:20, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

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Khanyisile Motsa

Hi Tigraan

Thanks for your comments on my article on Khanyisile Motsa: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Khanyisile_Motsa

Having read the advisory on WP:PAID, I wonder if I have correctly described myself as having a conflict of interest. This is someone that I know and admire and as such I must admit bias and difficulty with NPOV. But I am not paid, a client of or in any business way connected with the subject. (In fact, the opposite is true, any monies flow in the opposite direction.)

Can I renege my conflict of interest declaration and will this ease my ability to provide edits to this very short article?

Thanks again,

tmcann

• @Tmcann: All paid editors have a conflict of interest, but some unpaid editors can have conflicts of interest, too, due to various reasons (for instance, being a relative of a person, an employee of the company, a follower of a religion, etc.). See WP:COI for details. I do think you should keep your COI disclosure (but not make a paid-contribution disclosure since that is not what happened).

Also, it is better to exercise caution, or to refrain altogether from editing in areas where you have a COI, because it is hard to write from a neutral point of view when you have strong feelings about a subject. (The first draft of the KM article sounded so much like a press release from her foundation that I strongly suspected you were a paid editor; please accept my apologies for jumping to conclusions.)

Although disclosing your COI can expose you to more scrutiny from other editors, your edits will (or should at least) stand or fall on their merits. On the other hand, hiding a necessary COI is grounds for blocking.

Finally, could you take one minute to review our guide about talk page usage? (Here, you failed to create a new section, and signed manually instead of using four tildes ~~~~.) Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 08:18, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Tigraan

Thanks, I will get this eventually!

As you suggest, I will maintain my COI.

I am continuing to add references and NPOV comments as best I can. But my biggest problem is poor citing as identified by your colleague theroadislong. This is a serious problem in Africa where news internet usage is in its infancy. Wikipedia may need to allow some leniency for African related input?

I am happy to accept syntax related instruction.

Thanks again,

Tmcann (talk) 17:18, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

@Tmcann: Wikipedia will not allow some leniency over its fundamental policies (such as verifiability), but we are already aware this leads to a surrepresentation of certain topics (see Wikipedia:Systemic_bias#Availability_of_sources_may_cause_bias). Note that offline sources (such as a print-only newspaper) are acceptable, having a link is just a convenience. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 08:23, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

@Tigraan: Okay, I've updated and referenced the links on the page (https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Khanyisile_Motsa) as best I can find them. Could you please have a quick look and let me know if its appropriate to remove the Maintenance Banner yet?

Thanks Tmcann (talk) 12:07, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

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GIMP

Hi! Thanks for your immense help with Rostron's picture. I downloaded GIMP but it's all in technical English, which tool do you recommend me to reduce film grain? Thanks! --LLcentury (talk) 11:05, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

• @LLcentury: First of all, it is hard to follow that discussion. As things stand, you have opened one Teahouse thread, one Graphics Lab request, and now that discussion on my talk page, without linking any of those to the previous ones.

There are actually two questions. The first one is how to filter out film grain. My lack of knowledge of image processing means I cannot recommend any tool (let alone specific GIMP add-ons).

The second one is whether film grain should be filtered out of the photograph displayed at the Arthur Rostron Wikipedia page. You have been told by two editors (Martin of Sheffield, Hohum) that it is probably better to not try removing it, and I would trust their judgement rather than mine.

If you want to filter out film grain for off-Wikipedia purposes, well, you're on your own; I would ask at sites such as https://photo.stackexchange.com/ Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 11:50, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

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re Teahouse question

Reference your remarks about e-books as against Wikipedia, I know what the citations are for "The Cover Plan Conspiracy ..." but most of them are not from books, articles, etc. that the reader can consult and verify for him or herself. As regards my printed book "Exercie Tiger", there was no fact-checking. The editors trusted in my bona fides, which are the main stock-in-trade of a professional author of non-fiction. I understand in principle your point about one accurate citation being worth more than an author's protestation that he has a Doctorate in the subject, but in practice bona fides do count for something. In the Wikipedia entry on Exercise Tiger some of the references are to printed material which is clearly factually unsound, some of it wildly so. As I am sure you realise, print is no guarantee that something is true. Winterreisexly (talk) 20:01, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

@Winterreisexly: For the citations: while you should not cite inaccessible material (archive funds etc.) and exercise caution in citing primary sources (e.g. contemporary field reports), there is no requirement that sources be academic books or articles.

Credentials may count for something in the real world, but here on Wikipedia they are not. Presumably the editor who published your book had means to check you have minimal competency in the subject matter; such means are not available to us. (I am still surprised by the total lack of fact-checking: academic books being the primary means of publication in many soft sciences, I expected there was something akin to the peer-review of articles from my field).

We know well that "reliable sources" can get stuff wrong sometimes; the argument is that they get it wrong less often than any other method we can come up with. (Every other month or so, we have a question at the Teahouse that amounts to "date of death in article X is wrong, please correct it" even though the article's date of death is what was published in reputable newspapers.) Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 07:12, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Fair use

Hi Tigraan,

Thanks for the information on fair usage and WP:NFCC; I'll take this on board for future. The effect is the same (non-free images for BLPs aren't fair use), but I can see the difference. I'd just like to thank you for correcting me a few times on the help desk, it's been helpful. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:06, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

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As you are currently one of the 29 most active editors at WP:TH, your name and an image has now replaced that of an inactive host. Because you have already added yourself to the full list of active hosts, I have simply used the same default image of a cup of green tea. It would be great if you would now:

• Check or change the 'featured host' image allocated to you. Edit it at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Host/Featured/20, or undo my changes if you don't wish to be 'featured'.

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Someone's possible affiliation

I suppose a part of your most recent contributions to Wikipedia:Help desk seems close to WP:OUTING. Please consider consulting with some admin wrt. hiding your guesses. --CiaPan (talk) 10:04, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

• @CiaPan: Assuming we are talking about Wikipedia:Help_desk#How_to_Reset_A_Company's_Wikipedia, the guess comes from on-wiki information (namely, that edit). I will add a note to clarify the reasoning (examining a user's contributions and making guesses is kosher wrt WP:OUTING).

If we are talking about something else, well, email me or contact the oversight team yourself, because I have no idea what this is about. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 14:07, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I made the same guess based on the same user's contributions listing. However, if they say they don't want to reveal the actual connection, publishing such guess, even when made on publicly available data, seems contrary to that person's will. I would (try to) watch their future contributions to make sure they don't violate COI rules, but I refrain to publish my guess as long as publishing is not necessary (e.g. for documenting possible future COI/PAID violations). --CiaPan (talk) 20:47, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

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Bots Newsletter, August 2019

Bots Newsletter, August 2019

Greetings!

Here is the 7th issue of the Bots Newsletter, a lot happened since last year's newsletter! You can subscribe/unsubscribe from future newsletters by adding/removing your name from this list.

Highlights for this newsletter include:

ARBCOM

• Nothing of note happened. Just like we like it.

BAG

• Several (1 + 12 = 13) users have been retired/resigned from the BAG due to inactivity, per our new activity requirements (discussion).

BAG members are expected to be active on Wikipedia to have their finger on the pulse of the community. After two years without any bot-related activity (such as posting on bot-related pages, posting on a bot's talk page, or operating a bot), BAG members will be retired from BAG following a one-week notice. Retired members can re-apply for BAG membership as normal if they wish to rejoin the BAG.

• Two BAG members retired
  • Madman (talk · contribs) retired.
  • BU Rob13 (talk · contribs) vanished and retired.
• Three new BAG members have been voted in, welcome to the BAG!
  • Primefac (talk · contribs) joined on 2018-12-12 (RfBAG). Primefac operates PrimeBOT (talk · contribs) which does a plethora of tasks.
  • TheSandDoctor (talk · contribs) joined on 2019-01-21 (RfBAG). TheSandDoctor operates several bots including DeprecatedFixerBot (talk · contribs).
  • Enterprisey (talk · contribs) joined on 2019-08-07 (RfBAG). Enterprisey operates EnterpriseyBot (talk · contribs), which does a plethora of tasks, RemindMeBot (talk · contribs) which posts reminders, and codes several scripts.

We thank former members for their service and wish Madman a happy retirement. We note that Madman and BU Rob13 were not inactive and could resume their BAG positions if they so wished, should their retirements happens to be temporary.

BOTDICT

Two new entries feature in the bots dictionary

• Editor-hostile wikitext – describes wikitext structuring that is editor hostile, even if it renders correctly
• Spectrum of usefulness – describes how tasks are deemed useful or not

BOTPOL

• Activity requirements: BAG members now have an activity requirement. The requirements are very light, one only needs to be involved in a bot-related area at some point within the last two years. For purpose of meeting these requirements, discussing a bot-related matter anywhere on Wikipedia counts, as does operating a bot (RFC).
• Copyvio flag: Bot accounts may be additionally marked by a bureaucrat upon BAG request as being in the "copyviobot" user group on Wikipedia. This flag allows using the API to add metadata to edits for use in the New pages feed (discussion). There is currently 1 bot using this functionality.
• Mass creation: The restriction on mass-creation (semi-automated or automated) was extended from articles, to all content-pages. There are subtleties, but content here broadly means whatever a reader could land on when browsing the mainspace in normal circumstances (e.g. Mainspace, Books, most Categories, Portals, ...). There is also a warning that WP:MEATBOT still applies in other areas (e.g. Redirects, Wikipedia namespace, Help, maintenance categories, ...) not explicitely covered by WP:MASSCREATION.

BOTREQs and BRFAs

As of writing, we have...

• 20 active BOTREQs, please help if you can!
• 14 open BRFAs and 1 BRFA in need of BAG attention (see live status).
• In 2018, 96 bot task were approved. An AWB search shows approximately 29 were withdrawn/expired, and 6 were denied.
• Since the start of 2019, 97 bot task were approved. Logs show 15 were withdrawn/expired, and 15 were denied.
• 10 inactive bots have been deflagged (see discussion). 5 other bots have been deflagged per operator requests or similar (see discussion).

New things

• All bot-related discussion pages now have a centralized and searchable archive box (see discussion). Discussions are searchable per noticeboard, or globally.
• {{Bot}} now supports |status=expired (see discussion). This led to the deletion of Category:Indefinitely blocked Wikipedia bots as useless (see discussion).
• WP:BOTREQ now mentions WP:SCRIPTREQ and WP:AWBTASKS as alternatives to bot requests.
• The bot creation guide now mentions bot flags, and two new languages Awk and MATLAB. Other minor tweaks have been made.
• AAlertBot has received major code updates. In particular, WP:AALERTS will now report splits, mergers, and AFC submissions.
• Citation bot has received several updates (User talk:Citation bot/Archive 10/11/12/13/14/15/16/17). In particular, the bot stopped the automated removal of |publisher= from {{cite journal}}, and stopped the automated addition of CiteSeerX links, and now uses OAuth to authenticate those who make requests of the bot.

Other discussions

These are some of the discussions that happened / are still happening since the last Bots Newsletter. Many are stale, but some are still active.

• Wikipedia:Bots/Noticeboard/Archive 12#Adminbots requests page
• Wikipedia:Bots/Noticeboard/Archive 12#Double-redirect tagging (2019)
• Wikipedia:Bots/Noticeboard/Archive 12#Long and Winding Road to Parsoid
• Wikipedia:Bots/Noticeboard/Archive 13#Bot-like user scripts
• Wikipedia:Bots/Noticeboard/Archive 13#WP:URLREQ
• Wikipedia:Bots/Noticeboard/Archive 13#Wikipedia:Bots/Status
• Wikipedia talk:Bot Approvals Group#Minimum edits
• Wikipedia talk:Bot policy#Minor update to WP:BOTISSUE
• Wikipedia talk:Bot policy#Semi-automated Portal creation
• Wikipedia talk:Bot policy#Clarification on "Bots operated by multiple users"
• Wikipedia talk:Bot policy#Bots triggered by multiple users
• Wikipedia talk:Bots#How to use Special:ApiFeatureUsage

See also the latest discussions at the bot noticeboard.

Thank you! edited by: Headbomb 17:24, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

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Reply from Anzer Creation (ref Teahouse)

Thanks for replying there.

As you said I will change that soon. Some light copyediting might be needed too, but that is not such a big deal. for the article Jantroon_(Dhar) . Is that article is publishable on wiki if i remove opinion/point of view?

I understood what you said in Teahouse, article needs factual information only. Point of view/opinions are not allowed there.

Tell me some more basic setting and codes generally which are compulsory for an article. Anzer Ayoob (talk) 08:47, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

• @Anzer Creation: Your article is already "published on wiki" (see WP:MAINSPACE for details). I removed the most obvious opinion-pushing, although one could still object to "green lush meadows" and the like.

For general advice, you might want to read Wikipedia:Your first article. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 09:01, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

A distracting help desk typo

I believe you intended "appalling" not "appealing" in your latest help desk post? -- John of Reading (talk) 13:06, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Munninbot not sending Teahouse messages

I am four months behind reading the Teahouse archives. If I see that the person who asked a question is new to Wikipedia and was not pinged or notified and did not reply to Teahouse responses, I will usually leave a message saying that person got a response. Many of the notifications come from Munninbot when the question is archived, but that was not happening in many cases in November 2019.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:17, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

• @Vchimpanzee: Can you point to an example? Looking through Muninnbot's contribs there has been at least one notification every day in November, and usually the standard 10-20 (there was a lull on the 13-14th but it matches the lower number of archived threads for those days). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 12:59, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

They started back up again but I can look.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 13:48, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Okay. I had to leave a message here because an IP asked a question here and didn't get a notification. You can't ping IPs as far as I know.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 13:51, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. OK, apparently Muninnbot failed to make notifications on November 18 (sorry for missing that), so all threads from this archival batch failed to produce a notification. I will have a look into the logs this weekend to see if I can find out what happened (no promises though, my logging setup is horrible so they might have been overwritten). Right now, considering that Muninnbot ran fine the next day, I would tend to blame the servers (but it's almost never the servers). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 14:17, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

It's happening again.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:51, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Working again, but next one did not.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:13, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Dear Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions, Thank you for your message and it is noted. i can send a new message and wait for reply or what shall i do? Kindest Regards, Princesse Marissa (talk) 03:28, 4 April 2020 (UTC)Princesse Marissa

I'm sorry, what is this about?— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 15:32, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Teahouse archival notification code question

Hello! Hope you're well. I was just wondering for User:Muninnbot/Teahouse archival notification, what the difference would be between

{{Edit |1=Wikipedia:Teahouse |2=create a new thread |section=new |preload=Wikipedia:Teahouse/Preload |preloadtitle=Follow-up to [[{{{archivelink|Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_xxx}}}]]}}

and

<span class="plainlinks">[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=new&preloadtitle={{urlencode:Follow-up to [[{{{archivelink|Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_xxx}}}|{{{threadname|Name of thread}}}]]}}&preload=Wikipedia%3ATeahouse%2FPreload create a new thread].</span>

Thanks, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 08:29, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

• @Rotideypoc41352: Sorry for the late reply. I think the template version you propose is cleaner (if nothing else, in case the API changes, the template maintainers would be quicker to react than me). Feel free to change the Munninbot template if you have checked that the template is equivalent to the URL version. If you do so, please ping me or check that the notifications of the next batch go through correctly.

For the record, I think the template is subject to standard community editing (i.e. WP:BRD). Being the bot maintainer gives me de facto a monopoly on changing the bot's code, not on the appearance of the notification. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 14:01, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello! Hope you're well. I've changed the Munninbot template. Thanks, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 16:18, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello again! I've checked the batch of notifs sent around 19:00, 7 May 2020 (UTC). As far as I can tell, they went through. Thanks again, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 22:52, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Muninnbot's edits

Hi, I have my watchlist set to filter out bot edits, but Muninnbot's edits show up (and aren't marked b as a bot edit). Why is that? Schazjmd (talk) 21:07, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Hashin-Shtrikman bounds

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Thank you so much for the note.

I see that I receive an answer. Was I suppose to archive it after I was done? Roccie ;) 22:03, 26 May 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roccie (talk • contribs)

Muninnbot's edits

Hi, I have my watchlist set to filter out bot edits, but Muninnbot's edits show up (and aren't marked b as a bot edit). Why is that? Schazjmd (talk) 13:33, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

• Schazjmd The edits are indeed not flagged, when they should be.

At first glance I believe Munninbot's code itself is fine, and the problem lies somewhere downstream, either within Pywikibot or the API. I have a few things to check before filing a bug report however (when there is a bug somewhere, the odds are overwhelmingly for a bug in your own code than in the libraries you use).

Technical details: the crucial line in Munninbot's code is here and it does say to mark the edit as bot-made, in a way compliant with Pywikibot's documentation. Rummaging through the PWB files, the botflag argument is propagated into a bot argument for the page.editpage method which itself calls the API. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 12:09, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

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The section title name is wrong, and the archive link and create a new thread link is broken on this archive notice to DC072020 from the bot. The section title is Issue: Missing or empty |title= (help) and the bot gives Issue: Missing or empty. It seems like the issue is the "|" character, and I'm guessing the "|title" is treated as a parameter in User:Muninnbot/Teahouse archival notification, so the section title is cut off. Dreamy Jazz ^{talk to me | my contributions} 20:51, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

• Thanks for the heads-up. Your diagnostic is most likely correct. The solution would be to escape the strings passed as template arguments; I will have to take a look at the documentation. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 08:25, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Re: Your thread has been archived

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racism in the wine industry

Hey, Tigraan! I tried to find information on racism in the wine industry in other countries, but either no one is talking about it or google is assuming I don't want non-English sources. I see you're in France and speak some German and Italian, any chance you'd be able to help with Europe? The article does include some very minor info on Brazil, South Africa, and the UK, but it's possible there's just much less coverage out there in other countries; the reason so many people are actually talking about this kind of thing now in the US is because of this whole racial reckoning the country is experiencing. —valereee (talk) 15:48, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

• @Valereee: For the UK, I tried searching for Guardian articles (if a UK racism story is not mentioned in the Guardian, it probably is not mentioned anywhere in the UK press). I found nothing more than [7] (ref #10 in the article).

In French, the search results are entirely made up of translation and/or commentary of the recent US-based articles; I did not find a way to date-filter them. to get around this I tried searching on newspaper sites only (which allows to ignore easily the most recent articles). In practice I am limited by the ones I know, so this means the French big names plus Le Matin (Switzerland) and Le Soir (Belgium). I did find one very short news entry in 1999 about (alleged) hiring discrimination for harvest jobs ([8]) but no follow-up from that story.

In German, there is apparently an association "Wein gegen Rassismus" (Wine against racism) of wine producers / sellers rejecting racism/xenophobia. It pollutes search results for the common keywords. I thought that would be a thread worth pulling (the association itself is not a neutral source, but searching for media interviews with the founder etc. might turn up mainstream articles) but did not find anything (my German is not that great though so there is a good chance I missed something).

In Italian (which I speak even worse than German), most articles I can find are (again) about US events. Example here, which I assume to be mostly a rewording/translation of a Forbes (English) article; maybe there is something new in there but I read Italian very slowly.

So yeah, I kind-of regret my drive-by tagging now that I actually tried to dig up coverage outside of the US sphere of influence and found nothing. This being said, I have zero knowledge of the wine business; someone who does might know a better place to look than the mainstream press. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 13:25, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Tigraan, no worries at all, I think the tag could be helpful if someone with that kind of knowledge comes along. I'm wondering whether maybe translating it into French and posting it to the French wikipedia with a 'needs globalization' tag might help? My French probably sucks worse than your Italian; if I started with a machine translation, would you be willing to copyedit? —valereee (talk) 18:19, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

@Valereee: Sure thing! Try posting it at fr:Utilisateur:Tigraan/sandbox to see if the templates translate, I will copyedit and push it to mainspace (I will need to check if fr-wp has an article wizard first). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 12:12, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Tigraan, I've done all the damage I can do, I think. I'll be fascinated to watch your copyedit! —valereee (talk) 17:35, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

@Valereee: I could not find any equivalent of AfC at fr-wp, so I posted it directly: see fr:Racisme dans l'industrie du vin. Frankly your translation was fairly decent; the only thing that was outright wrong was "le calcul racial américain" (which means the senseless "the racial US calculation") to describe the post-Floyd debates. I also removed quite a bit of direct quote clutter, and some redlinks (including a blue link to a football player).

We shall see if it survives a few days; if it does I will ask on the talk page for more fr-language sources. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 16:30, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Tigraan, that's great! Thanks so much! —valereee (talk) 16:34, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Oh, that was actually the correct Will Blackmon...he's involved in the industry, I added that one back. Do you know how to do interlanguage links over there? Coney has an article here, but I can't figure out what template to use —valereee (talk) 16:42, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

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→ "Basilica of the National Shrine of Our Lady of Aparecida → Cathedral Basilica of the National Shrine of Our Lady Aparecida – Procedural nomination per this Help Desk request. Note that the cathedral denomination was granted in 2016. I myself weakly oppose the move, because based on an online search for "National Shrine of Our Lady Aparecida", most English sources use the "basilica" title alone, which suggests a WP:COMMONNAME reason not to move. On the other hand, while Portuguese sources do not control under COMMONNAME, it is also clear that there are much fewer English sources than Portuguese sources. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 15:02, 30 September 2020 (UTC)"

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how to upload the image directly onto en.Wikipedia

Thanks for your reply I have been doing some reading this is what I found on one of the wiki Pages it does make it clear that if the owner has stipulated the image is not to be for commercial use then it's not suitable to upload onto commons.

I would like to take your advice and upload the image directly onto en.Wikipedia although there is no option on the page to upload image. I have Google for instructions on how to yeah I cannot find the option in the left hand corner of the page. The image is from Volkswagen group Newsroom online. Could you help me further here? Thank you

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• @Lorikeet Birds: It can be confusing because there are two upload mechanisms. One is at Commons (commons:Commons:First_steps/Uploading_files) and can only be used for free images. One is local at en-wp (Special:Upload) and can be used for certain non-free images.

Even for a local upload, you must ensure that all criteria at WP:NFCC are met before uploading (some of those are checked in the upload forms). Again, if I assume you want to upload car pictures, this almost surely fails due to criterion #1. Sorry if that means you cannot used what you found, but I do not make the rules. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 12:45, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your time Tigraan, this has been helpful ---- Lorikeet Birds Lorikeet Birds (talk) 05:43, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Didascalies ″Blocking (Theater)″ (& caption ')

Hi! I saw your comment on the talk page of Blocking_(stage) and your note here Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Theatre/Archive_6#Blocking_(stage)_-_articles_and_interlanguage_links_organization in which you considered that the inter-language links are not accurate. I agree with you. I found another point of view that sustains this idea: wiktionary:didascalie#French were the equivalent of French didascalie is ″caption (theater)″. Indeed the wikipedia article in French and German are only about the indication written in books. I am not sure to understand the difference between Mise-en-scène and Blocking_(stage). Is blocking part of the mise-en-scène? I would opinion that these should be better inter-linked and discussed together (Especially with "See also"). I would like to link "Didascalie" with "caption (theater)". I think the English wikipedia pages are a bit messy, between Mise-en-scène , Blocking_(stage), Staging_(theatre,_film,_television). This has also then been reflected in multiple German versions de:Mise_en_Scène_(Theater): "Der Ausdruck Mise en Scène (französisch für „in Szene setzen“) beschreibt die Inszenierung einer Theaterszene" but there is also an article de:Inszenierung . A search engine research first result reads "blocking, also known as staging"...

The German Integrated Authority File (GND) says for german de:Regieanweisung (i.e. didascalie) : "indication for the reader" (« Definition: Bemerkungen der Bühnenautoren, meist den Szenen vorangestellt, gedacht als Anleitung für Regisseur, Bühnenbilder, Schauspieler oder auch (als Vorstellungshilfe) für den Leser  » )

PS: I cam here as I wanted to document blocking (Q2630964) but for now, I don't know what it is. It has 0 statements and I don't know how to translate it into French

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• @Meskalam: From the articles you pulled up, mise-en-scène and staging (theatre, film, television) do seem very close, to the point that a merge might be appropriate. From what I understand blocking is the subset of those that deals with actor placement and maybe other movements (hand up, lie down etc.) (the background, props etc. have already been set up). The French "mise en scène" (without hyphens) seems similar to the English "staging". Neither of those is really close to text indications ("didascalies"/"Nebentext" etc.). There is an fr stub at fr:Direction d'acteur that still is something else: it includes blocking of actors, but also stuff like emotional state etc. ("this line comes from anger, not pain, make it appear").

The Spanish (es:Didascalia) and Catalan entries (ca:Acotació_(arts)) are fairly interesting (I do not really either language Catalan, I am just going by guesses from a Roman-language-native-speaker, so I really cannot do reference-hunting to check that.). The Catalan entry indicates a "staging" meaning and has an incoming redirect from ca:didascàlia. The Spanish says "acotacion" has the meaning of general staging, whereas "didascalia" is either synonymous with it or restricted to es:Puesta en escena (i.e. blocking, rather that all aspects of direction).

I suspect the staging/blocking boundaries are messy because the concepts do not translate easily across languages, but the separation between "textual indications from the author" and "indications given at rehearsal by the director" is clear enough. The confusion might come from the fact that the word "didascaly" means the former in some languages and the latter in others.

If you know your way around Wikidata, here's what I would suggest. It might not be the best way to do it but it certainly beats the status quo:

1. Keep blocking (Q2630964) with the current doc but only for the matching entries: en, en-simple, ca, es. I suspect the ta entry is about the same thing but cannot tell for sure, and I cannot read Japanese. I would add de:Inszenierung and fr:Mise en scène to that item, even if technically it is a bit larger than that.
2. Make a new item about "didascalies" (or find an existing one), to which you attach fr:Didascalie and de:Regieanweisung.

Sounds good to you? Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 10:40, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

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Nice answer and proposition. Sadly my Japanese is also non-existent. I asked on wikidata how to proceed to follow your advice. I guess if we split there, it will become clearer. I don't know if there is a "wikipedia theater community" which would like to work on these articles to improve and linked them better.--Meskalam (talk) 11:11, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

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User Skid and Pump was nearly blocked in March. Their sandbox has the first 100,000 digits of pi. Is that useful to WP? Oops, forgot to sign. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 05:15, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your question at my RfA

Clarifying my position was appreciated. Your analysis was only off by one: the "created at wrong location" was correcting my own error. I feel strangely not anxious to exert and tool use. I'm sure that will wear off... BusterD (talk) 17:47, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

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I am continually encouraged by well experienced editors like you who exercise so much patience in dealing with some of us new editors. I will not be discouraged as I consider every correction prerequisite to learning and it is my observation of the lack of content, especially biographies of Nigerians (only after they are dead) which inspired me to focus mainly in that area. I appreciate your time. Thanks. Bibihans (talk)Bibihans — Preceding undated comment added 12:59, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

About tag me on teahouse

I made a simple response at the teahouse.If you don’t understand my response,it is normal.But I have tried my best to make you understand.I also hope you can understand. Rastinition (talk) 12:02, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

HOw often does Munninbot run?

Hey Tigraan! Since I know you're the person who runs Munninbot I want to ask you, how often (and when) does your bot run? Since I noticed my discussion on Teahouse was archived before Munninbot left a note on my talk page saying it was archived. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:50, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

• Hi Blaze The Wolf. Muninnbot runs daily, and follows edits by lowercase sigmabot III in Teahouse history. I did set it intentionally about 12h from the archival edits, so that I can be reasonably sure that there is exactly one LS3 edit between two runs of Muninnbot (or none if no thread was archived, but never two, which could happen if the bots fired around the same time: imagine LS3 is late one day and early the next day, Muninnbot would only parse the latest edit).

The delay between archival and notification could be solved by running Muninnbot more frequently (hourly?), but then I would need to remember some information between runs (in this case: the last LS3 edit that we dealt with, so that we do not send multiple notifications for the same thread). Maintaining such a database would need some development and testing, so I have not planned to do it yet.

At some point I might do it because it could have a few additional uses. For instance, right now, when the bot sees that a thread was archived by a LS3 edit, it searches through the recent page history (last 10 days or last 5*500=2500 edits, whichever is shortest) for the edit that created the thread to identify the original poster. This means that threads that were created more than 10 days before archival would not trigger notifications (which is not a common case, but it is not impossible either). I set those thresholds so that Muninnbot does not query the API much more than needed, but if I could store the thread-creating edits of the page history, I would only parse each edit once but I could remember them forever (or for a long time at least). Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 14:57, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Ah ok. A lot of this made no sense to me, however I did understand that you delayed it to 12 hours after LSIII archives the discussion. Thanks for answering my question! ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:06, 2 November 2021 (UTC)