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African pope

I have revised the article extensively since you voted in the AFD, and invite you to reconsider. --Dhartung | Talk 09:09, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Richard Ofshe anon

Hola,

Has edited again. If not vandalism, then what should be done? I'm a bit stumped - adding info on a living person with a source of 'Richard Ofshe personal knowledge' stretches WP:AGF, as does refusing to engage on their talk page at all. Do you have any advice or suggestions? I can keep reverting I suppose, but I wonder if I'll get hit with a 3rr. BLP/N? WLU (talk) 16:46, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry- I blocked this user (12 hours) because I failed to read a message closely enough and didn't see that you had already declined it. I didn't intend to wheel-war, and see the logic in your position; if you decide to unblock I won't be mad. The best outcome in any case would be to engage this person in dialogue... -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:33, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism 1.1 Assignment

 Note: You have missed a question, please check the questions again. Thanks. Steve Crossin (talk) (anon talk) 02:05, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

 Done --RyRy5 (talk) 02:20, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

• Graded it. Steve Crossin (talk) (anon talk) 02:31, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

 Note: I fixed Q2. I didn't know you couldn't copyright the answers.--RyRy5 (talk) 02:49, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

 Done Graded it. 2 marks for correct, 1 mark for partly correct, no marks for incorrect. I graded it as 10/16= 62.5% Steve Crossin (talk) (anon talk) 03:05, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I doubt it but did I pass? If I didn't, do I take a similar version?--RyRy5 (talk) 03:07, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

• Unfortunately, you didn't pass. I will write new questions. Don't rush through the lessons, there is no rush to complete your adoption. Generally, my area on expertise on Wikipedia is vandalism (not vandalising), but how to differentiate between vandalism, and edits that are not vandalism. This is something I can tutor you one in higher detail, however I suggest you move on to a different lesson for now. Don't rush. There is no hurry. Steve Crossin (talk) (anon talk) 03:21, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

• I understand. But I would like to take the test sometime tomorrow. I am a little busy today. Also, about the AfD's. I don't say "per nom" anymore. I usually say "Non-Notable" or "Fails (Whatever it fails)." Also, are you saying that I shouldn't participate in AfD's for a while?--RyRy5 (talk) 03:03, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I, in good confidence, do not believe you would be ready for the Vandalism test tomorrow. We need some one-onj-one time where I can teach you in greater detail. Additionally, I think I'll merge Vandalism 1.1 and Vandalism 1.2 together. I would much rather you know the vandalism policy very clearly, than rushing through it. Like I said, there is no rush. Additionally, regarding the AFDs, I think you should probably stay away from performing non-admin closures for a while, I feel you may not be perfectly clear with our non-admin closure policy. I'm not saying stay away from AFD entirely, just tr to slow downh a little. It's quality rather than quantity that is important. :) Steve Crossin (talk) (anon talk) 03:11, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

• Yes, but what about voting on Afd's?--RyRy5 (talk) 03:15, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Alright, please fully reply to that comment. I don't see problem with you !voting on AFDs, just, as I sais, remember it's not theamount of AFD edits that you make, but the quality of said edits. Steve Crossin (talk) (anon talk) 03:24, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

• I will stop closing AfD's until you say I'm ready. So how will we do the one-on-one to teach me. And I think that merging those is a good idea. But will it count as 1 required or 1 required and 1 optional?--RyRy5 (talk) 03:31, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

• Okay, sorry about the extensive delay, I was out at a resturant with someone. Anyway, the one-on-one sessions might be on IRC, or a IM program, or even an external wiki. Whatever is best. I'd think an external wiki would be best, as I have one. Regarding whether they would be optional or not, I think that the merged lesson would be required. It wasn't required by Tiptoety, but I feel people that do RC patrol must be extremely familiar with our vandalism policy, and I feel I am a very competent person to teach you that. AFD clsoing, I'll ket you know when I think you are ready. Please reply to the whole comment soon. 05:23, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

• Have you ever heard of the test wiki? That should be the perfect place to train, for me being an admin there. I understand that it should be required. I do intend to revert vandalism in most of my time. Also, I have rollback and I don't intend to use it often until I have learned more.--RyRy5 (talk) 00:31, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

• I'm a bit concered that you have rollback, but I can discuss that later. I have my own wiki. Its here. We an iscussthings further there, create an account there. Steve Crossin (talk) (anon talk) 00:36, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Happy Birthday!!`

Hey Steve =]. I would just like to say happy birthday from me =]. I hope i got the right day. ^^. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 15:49, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Spore mediation

Things have stalled. My understanding is that everyone is close to achieving a consensus except for JAF1979. I might be mistaken. It would be helpful if you could solicit everyone's views on the issue in order to clarify the current status. I have posted a proposal at this point, and would welcome any alternatives (or criticism). But it may take some time to get everyone to check in. Seeing as you have some authority, I would appreciate your assistance. Randomran (talk) 17:27, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

WP24

Hey, would you look at my request on the WP:24 talk page, we need the to-do list linked also, so I don't have to put what needs to be done on the talk page.--Lan Di (talk) 23:43, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

 Doing... Give me 5 minutes. Steve Crossin (talk) (anon talk) 01:57, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

 Done Image uploaded, and link added to the to-do list. Steve Crossin (talk) (anon talk) 02:59, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hello. I was wondering. If a user blanks one section, is it vandalism?--RyRy5 (talk) 01:46, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

It depends on what content they are blanking, if it is possibly libelous or questionable content in which has no source the removal of that questionable content is not vandalism. But if they continue to remove it after someone adds it back they could be involved in a edit war, which can result in blocking. If the blanking appears to remove good, quality, and sourced content or is so large that the only intent is to disrupt the article, than it can be considered vandalism and reverted as such. Tiptoety ^talk 02:49, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for answering. I will be aware of that in my RC patrol. Cheers. Oh, Steve, you can answer too if you like.--RyRy5 (talk) 02:51, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Tiptoety for answering, but RyRy5, please have a look at the comments I have left further up the page, that you haven't replied to yet. As you didn't pass the Vandalism 1.1 test, you will need to re-do it. However, for me, a sound understanding of the vandalism policy is essential for me to be able to graduate you in confidence. Like I said further up the page, I intend to mentor you on vandalism in higher detail, as people who do vandal reversion must hve a sound understanding on of the policy. And also my comment up the page on AFDs. Thanks, Steve Crossin (talk) (anon talk) 02:58, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to ask around about my "experience" with RC patrol, if you just want to be sure I'm capable ;) Steve Crossin (talk) (anon talk) 03:01, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

• Sure, go ahead. Also, I repied to your other message. BTW, please check my contribs.--RyRy5 (talk) 03:11, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

• This is refered to "sneaky vandalism" right?--RyRy5 (talk) 03:41, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, absolutely not. As the policy defines, sneaky vandalism is hard to notice. That diff was blatant vandalism. What is it in your contribs you want me to check? Steve Crossin (talk) (anon talk) 00:48, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

• Well, it said somewhere that adding something to the edit summary that isn't true, like saying "reverted edits", is sneaky vandalism. In this case, the IP used "spelling error" which definently is trying to cover the IP's edits. Anyway, I would like you to see all the reverting I did yesterday and today.--RyRy5 (talk) 00:52, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

New Account

I have created my account. I have also left you a question. BTW, please answer the question above this section.--RyRy5 (talk) 00:43, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I will be at your wiki. Any comments before I go?--RyRy5 (talk) 14:35, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Nope, none except that I'm very tired :) Steve Crossin (talk) (anon talk) 14:37, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Alright, I'll head to your wiki. Oh, and you can take a quick break anytime you'd like.--RyRy5 (talk) 14:40, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Ryan

Hi Steve... making sure you've seen this: [1]. - Philippe 00:44, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. That's an interesting idea for mentorship. I'm glad you're on top of things.  :-) - Philippe 01:11, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Re:Wikibreak

Replied on my talk page.--RyRy5 (talk) 01:36, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Turn 2 Foundation

I'm planning to make it a DYK so I would like your utmost help and opinions. Thanks.--RyRy5 (talk) 18:48, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Can I ask why you also asked [2] and [3]? Really, in editing Wikipedia, it's more about editing independently. While we can guide you, we really can't do the work for you. I hope you understand. Steve Crossin (talk) (anon talk) 23:34, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes I understand. But how about asking others for their opinions on something?--RyRy5 (talk ♠ Review) 01:07, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

True, it just came across as you were seeking me to help write it. I'm happy to have a look over it, but I'm not sure if I can actively contribute to it. Steve Crossin (talk) (anon talk) 01:09, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I forgot something. The article is in the verge of a major edit BTW, and I only did about 20% of it.--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 01:11, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Alright then, hang on. Busy for a minute. Steve Crossin (talk) (anon talk) 01:13, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Your recent edits (don't worry)

I have noticed that both you and RyRy5 tell each other "I've replied on my talk page," or such. Do you know about the talkback template? It's much easier, by me, anyhow. Happy editing. Basketball110 23:39, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism

This is considered vandalism, right? If so, what template shall be used?--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 05:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it's vandalism. Personally, it's not overly severe, and it was the IP's 3rd edit, however their first warning. I'd have issued a {{uw-vand1}} warning. However, they've already been warned. We don't warn twice for the same vandalism edit. :) Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 05:31, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking {{subst:uw-defam1}}. Enigma ^message 05:32, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, maybe. But it's really minor vandalism, seems a little trivial to go that way. It seems to be more vandalism than anything, I guess you really could go either way. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 05:37, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Most people in general simply warn for vandalism and don't use the other templates enough. :D Enigma ^message 05:44, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Heh, true, very true. I just thought the vandalism was generalised, but, like I said, I was happy to go either way. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 05:49, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for all of your comments. I just asked so that I would know what to do in the future.--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 05:54, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

User:Steve Crossin/Status

When you update your status, can you please say "online", "offline", ect. on the edit summary? Also, if necessary, you should give an explanation of what you will be doing while online, alerting me if you would answer quickly or something. Thanks.--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 07:20, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

My status is updated by a bot. I just changed it once myself because I was busy. With all due respect, is it really necessary for me to give an explanation of what I do online? I mainly do mediation, template work, AIV patrol, and co-ordinating the huge mess that is WP:24, as it's been inactive over 6months and I'm trying to pick up the pieces and fix it up. I'll still be here when you have questions to ask, feel free to read ahead in the lessons, they're still open for you to do. :) Perhaps the one on user permissions? Cheers, Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 07:27, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I understand now about your status. And I was planning to start another lesson. I will take my time and I'll try my best to pass.--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 07:30, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

{ec} Okay, great. I'd strongly suggest the permissions assignment, read over it slowly. There is no need to rush yourself. And, remember. In your own words. Don't copy/paste the answers, okay? :) Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 07:35, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

One other thing. When are you going to add my graduation assignments/goals at the bottom of User:Steve Crossin/Adoption/RyRy5?--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 07:33, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

As you didn't manage to pass the Vandalism lesson yet, I don't think I should add it. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 07:35, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Email about Second Intifada

Hi Steve. I don't reply to emails about wiki stuff outside on wikipedia itself, so I'm sorry for the delay in responding. I'd be willing to accept whatever arrangement you feel is necessary to get past this deadlock. I think it's unfortunate that mediation has failed to bring about consensus on the issue and that we have to appeal to higher power, but if that's where we are, than that's where we are. Thanks for all help. Tiamut^talk 09:20, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, would you be able to add your name here? That would be most helpful. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 09:38, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Will do. Thanks again. Tiamut^talk 10:32, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Lesson:Wikimarkup 101

I have finished reading it. I will do the assignment at User:RyRy5/Sandbox3. I will alert you when I have completed the assignment. Any comments before I begin?--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 00:33, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Nope, feel free to begin. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 00:35, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Finished. I did my best. It may look a little confusing and unorginized.--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 01:16, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Y Good work, I'm happy with that. Now, just make sure that you keep doing these in your article writing. That's the important thing here. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 02:13, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I learned a bit more doing that. I learned what all those icons do. Most of the time, I manually do things instead of those icons. So I passed, right?--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 02:16, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I'm glad you learned something from this :) Yes, you have passed this one. :) Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 02:25, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Do you notify that here?--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 02:33, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

 Doing... Already working on it Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 02:37, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Nice new list you put on my adoption page. BTW, am I your 1st adoptee?--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 04:02, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Check out ALL the links. It's rather elaborate. There's a link to the completed lessons and all. Also see your gradebook. Rather elaborate. Yes, you're my first adoptee. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 04:04, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I see. But is Vandalism 1.1 and 1.2 supposed to say "optional"? Also, what template should I use to warn an IP who did this?--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 00:24, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

{{uw-vand1}}. Let me check the lessons. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 00:27, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

 Done. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 00:29, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Good. I think I will read one of the optional lessons, as I need at least two completed, right?--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 00:32, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes correct. However, why don't you do the permissions assignment? I think it's best if you get that one out of the way. There's a link to the "Adoption Center" in my navigation bar. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 00:34, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Sure, as I do need to learn some more about that. I will start the assignment soon. And I noticed that adoption link a little while ago. BTW, do you plan on having more than 1 adoptee at a time?--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 00:37, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

It's highly unlikely, I'm extremely busy with the 24 Wikiproject, which is a huge mess that I'm trying to co-ordinate and fix. Right now I'm cleaning up after a bad page move, which I reverted. I have to fix all these. It's not simple to fix, it needs to be done in a precise way. Let me know when you're ready to do the assignment, and I'll create a section on your lessons page. But, do not rush. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 00:41, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

What to do?

If you look at this, the IP added nonsense to the article. He then reverted it. Should anything be done if this ever happens again?--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 01:22, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

{{test-self}}, or just give them a standdard warning. Sorry to but in, Steve. · AndonicO ^Engage. 01:39, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks you. I didn't even know there was a template like that.--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 01:44, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

It's alright Andonic. I wasn't actively editing Wikipedia, I've been doing template work here, I'm a sysop there. He's right of course. It's {{test-self}}. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 02:09, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Permissions assignment

I will begin reading the lesson now. As always, do you have any comments before I begin?--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 01:36, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I do. Take your time. Read it thoroughly. And, don't copy the answers from the lesson, or from anywhere else. Answer them in your own words. Do not rush. You are not racing anyone. You can start now. :) Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 01:47, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Also, for the clean-up assignment, I think I cleaned up Jeremy Owens. Feel free to check. I will continue permissions the assignment.--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 01:50, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Erm, I saw. The lesson requires 15. Pick 15 from the category mentioned on the lesson page, then let me know when you have done all 15. Focus on the permissions assignment for now, then tell me when you're ready to take the lesson. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 01:55, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, I passed (yay)! BTW, your template doesn't work.--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 03:32, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

What template doesnt work? Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 03:33, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, right. The assignments won't be here in the future. I'll nuke it from here. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 03:34, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes. And about the cleanup patrol. Does Jeremy Owens count as one out of the 15?--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 03:39, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it does count, as it had a cleanup tag on it. In future, try to pick ones from the category I showed you. Additionally, when you do the deletion assignment, we are going to spend a lot of time on that. I want to be 110% sure on this assignment with you, as there have been concerns I feel about AFDs, and speedy deletion criteria, so we will go over things that aren't in the lesson. Your full adoption page is here. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 03:55, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I understand. But I will have to take a break from assignments for today.--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 03:57, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. Take your time with this adoption. I don't want you to rush it. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 04:02, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I am. I'll probably just study some vandalism lessons, but not take it until I'm ready which should be in a few weeks to aout a month or two, since I'm having some difficulties about vandalism.--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 04:12, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Just a note, there is no real need to tell everyone about your assignments, like here. This isn't about proving anything to anyone, it's about you learning. Okay? I'd also like to teach you more about vandalism, I would recommend at least a few weeks before re-doing the Vandalism 1.1 assignment, I'll write new questions for it. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 04:19, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I see. And sure thing. Take your time teaching me. You've been a great adopter so far. Well, I'm going to be offline soon. So I'll talk to you tommorrow afternoon-ish (UTC).--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 04:58, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay then, I will see you tomorrow. I'm glad I've been able to help so far. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 05:00, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Your welcome. Cheers.--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 05:01, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Assignment

Lesson moved to here Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 03:49, 29 April 2008 (UTC) I also will put copies of your lesson on your adoption page. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 03:31, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed that on my watchlist. Please answer my comment above Assignment. Thanks.--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 03:51, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Re:Userpage

Yes, I know. But I try to keep it at a minimum. Don't worry, I know why we're here and that this is not a myspace. But it's good to do stuff like this on occasions. I'm also trying to keep a minimum of 5 edits per renovation.--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 01:03, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

BTW, you have a message at my talkpage.--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 01:03, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Re:Editcountis

Yes, I gave myself a new rule that I would only update that every 500 edits starting from that diff you gave me.--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 02:38, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

• Personally, I'd suggest every 1000 edits. :) Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 02:42, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I guess so. I'll consider it.--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 02:43, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I do it every 500; too tired to check my math, but I think after 250,000 edits, I'll have to update because of my updating. Probably wrong... too tired to think. Ah yes, and sorry for interrupting again, Steve. I think I'll unwatch this page before it becomes a habit. · AndonicO ^Engage. 02:52, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes Andonic, probably a good idea to unwatch this page. ;) Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 02:59, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Re:Casey906262

I'm also doing that. But is there any specific reason?--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 03:29, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Err, yes. I don't wish to sound condescending here, but I think an adopter should look over them, rather than a current adoptee. I'm not sure on his adoptee skills, although I know he's adopted many adoptees, however I'm not sure how closely he adopts them. I generally take on only a few adoptees at a time, as I teach them quite closely, as in, with the lessons and such. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 03:35, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I see your point. Just to let you know, I know Casey906262 in real life but that shouldn't be a big deal, right?--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 03:37, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

No, that shouldn't be a big deal at all. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 03:42, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Understood. I have a question on something. When writing/improving an article about a biography or any situation where a person's name is used, you should always use the person's last name, right?--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 03:46, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that's generally correct. If you're slightly unsure, you can have a look in the Biography Manual of Style. I was rather sure, but I double checked myself. ;) Cheers, Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 04:03, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, thats how I thought of it too. Well, I will see you tommorrow. Cheers.--RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 05:14, 30 April 2008 (UTC)