User talk:Ron Hevener

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July 2022

Hello, I'm Mako001. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Ron Hevener, but you didn't provide a source. I’ve removed it for now, but if you’d like to include a citation to a reliable source and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Mako001 (C) (T) 🇺🇦 09:47, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What do you consider to be a reliable source? (Amazon, where the book is published? Or ...?) Ron Hevener (talk) 10:01, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For the first question, see Wikipedia:Reliable sources, it would be far too long to explain here. For the second question, using Amazon (or any other site selling the book) or the book itself as a source wouldn't be allowed, as it would be original research to make the statement you have added based on the content in that book, or what would be available on a bookselling site. Mako001 (C) (T) 🇺🇦 10:26, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for this information, but I'm a pure amateur when it comes to how to do all this & I'm not sure my computer has the necessary way of making the notations according to Wikipedia rules.

But, I did find a reliable source for you .... https://www.thedogpress.com/DogSense/why-animal-lovers-must-turn-it-around-r21H092.asp ... an article published September 14 2021 in The Dog Press and it includes a reference to my book 'The Farmers Market' ... Does your offer to make these changes still hold???? Ron Hevener (talk) 10:55, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You have an obvious conflict of interest:

You must write in a non-promotional tone. Articles must be neutral and encyclopaedic, with verifiable facts, not opinions or reviews.
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Before attempting to write an article again, please make sure that the topic meets the notability criteria linked above, and check that you can find independent third party sources. Also read Your first article. You must also reply to the COI request above.

Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 09:53, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for this infomation ... the link to the source is https://www.thedogpress.com/DogSense/why-animal-lovers-must-turn-it-around-r21H092.asp Ron Hevener (talk) 11:35, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have, yet again, reverted your addition. You must stop editing the article directly. The content you added was sourced to a self-published source, which is not a reliable source. I will state this again, it must be sourced to a reliable source by Wikipedia's standards. Mako001 (C) (T) 🇺🇦 14:22, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

July 2022

Due to your disruptive autobiographical editing, you have been indefinitely blocked from editing Ron Hevener. You can make formal edit requests at Talk: Ron Hevener. Please read the Guide to appealing blocks. Cullen328 (talk) 17:53, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Cullen328,

I'm not an expert on correctly making edits here, but I am the subject of this biography of a living person. As such, can someone add the following sentence to the shocking (and very hurtful) legal action mentioned against me in this biography, together with this reference link?

The sentence is: "As a result of this experience, he went on to write the novel called 'The Farmer's Market' showing how to fix the broken animal control system."

The reference link is: https://www.thedogpress.com/DogSense/why-animal-lovers-must-turn-it-around-r21H092.asp ....

I was also trying to delete 2 links to websites which are no longer active.

One last thing I'd like to mention is how inaccurate the reporting of this legal matter was (and continues to be). However, it's important for productive people to keep moving forward and there doesn't seem to be a way to make that clear to the readers.

Thanks for looking into this in the interest of fair and balanced reporting about a living person.

Ron Hevener Ron Hevener (talk) 19:59, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What do you have to say about this article? As for the article you wrote to promote your self-published novel, that is completely inappropriate for this encyclopedia. We do not allow self promotion. Cullen328 (talk) 20:37, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Then remove me from Wikipedia. Ron Hevener (talk) 22:07, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please read Wikipedia:Articles for deletion and Wikipedia:BLPREQUESTDELETE. Cullen328 (talk) 23:38, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What you are allowing to be posted in this biography influences readers to believe I owned a farm and did this myself (deliberately) to the animals I loved. What a callous and hard-hearted person I would be if that was true.

The truth is, I was not the owner of the property in the reports you mention and I couldn't have lived there even if I wanted to, because there was no house. It was a barn with 100 acres, mostly pasture with grass just starting to grow again, during a serious drought. It was a temporary place to keep them, not good enough, and I was looking for a better facility. Other people (living nearby) were in charge when this happened and I was living about 10 miles away, the sole care-giver for my wife, who has Multiple Sclerosis. That was my priority.

When I was alerted by authorities to the seriousness of this, I did everything I could to correct the situation, including buying all availble hay from suppliers in the area (such as Tractor Supply and Agway both, for which I still have the receipts). It was very hard to find.

I called in a vet who examined and evaluated every animal and narrowed it down to 5 (not all of them as your sources and comments on my biography imply). They needed attention, and I made sure it was provided. The entire herd was examined, wormed and put on a 30-day feeding program (approved by local authorities) who drove past the place every day and they told me the horses were improving.

As for this being a "trial", there is debate about that. Yes, it was a spiritual and emotional trial certainly. It was a trial by fire and the outrage of public opinion. I didn't have a lawyer and I attended every court process personally. There was no process of selecting any jury. (Repeat: there wasn't any jury waiting for a trial).

I tried everything to correct this in a dignified way. At one point, I was told if I made a "contribution" of $10,000 in the "right hands" it would disappear. Obviously, I did not do that. Instead, I decided the damage to my career was beyond repair and I was going to learn from this and write about it. A reporter (from one of the sources you include) asked me if I was going to sue the county for damages. I said I was considering that, yes. Not long after that, I was advised to leave the area for my own safety, and I did.

I learned a lot about corruption in the animal control system from this experience, especially about how animals are confiscated and resold (sometimes again and again) after such raids. (In fact, some of my own animals were offered for sale back to me). I've written about these things and it's been published. But, when I mentioned that (and provide the link for one of them in particular) it gets deleted from this biography every time. That article (published in September of 2021 by The Dog Press) is titled "Why Animal Lovers Must Turn It Around" and the link is https://www.thedogpress.com/DogSense/why-animal-lovers-must-turn-it-around-r21H092.asp . Ron Hevener (talk) 12:11, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A Wikipedia biography summarizes what independent reliable sources say about a person. The Dog Press opinion piece that you wrote is not acceptable for use in the article. I think that your best bet is to request deletion of the Wikipedia article. Cullen328 (talk) 17:16, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like the article is almost certainly going to be deleted. The only coverage in independent, reliable sources you ever seem to have got was for the legal issue (unfortunately for you, your side of events doesn't seem to be covered by those sources), which means that you are considered notable by Wikipedia's standards for only a single event. This means that you don't warrant a Wikipedia article , which I think that you will likely be quite relieved to see, based on your comments above. If you feel like it, you may want to read "Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing". However, before you do so, I will warn you that it may cut a bit to read, though on the other hand, it may also be comforting to know that there are many other people who have found themselves in much the same situation. To see the deletion discussion, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ron Hevener Mako001 (C) (T) 🇺🇦 12:20, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I expect that you will be glad to hear that the article has been deleted. Cheerio. Mako001 (C) (T) 🇺🇦 22:09, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]