User talk:Novem Linguae/Archive 3
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Decline
You declined Draft:Habitation and Logistics Outpost (Gateway Module). It is a draft being worked on by the Mir, ISS, and Gateway task force at WikiProject Spaceflight. There are articles for other parts of the same space station. This article was requested by the task force. Please reconsider the declining. StarshipSLS (talk) 13:46, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- @StarshipSLS He will not reconsider it, I am sure - any Reviewer would have declined it. Please read the comments given to you. On this draft only worked you as far as I see. You still do not seem to understand our policies although we gave you lots of info and hints in the last couple of days. CommanderWaterford (talk) 15:25, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- @CommanderWaterford: I Yes, I understand the problems with it now.
- More references for notability
- Less copied text and more new text
- Note: This is a requested article from Wikipedia:WikiProject Spaceflight/Mir, ISS and Gateway task force. StarshipSLS (talk) 15:38, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- And, more users need to work on it with me. StarshipSLS (talk) 15:39, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- It is completely irrelevant for a review who or how many people have requested an article, even if Jimbo in person would have requested it and I am pretty sure that they requested more than just a simple copy & paste of a PR newsrelease. CommanderWaterford (talk) 16:16, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- @CommanderWaterford: You put the press release in there. This is what I am going to do:
- Post a message on the WikiProject Spaceflight Talk Page
- Work together with other editors
- Resubmit
- Draft Accepted
- StarshipSLS (talk) 18:42, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- @StarshipSLS I did not put no press release at all in your draft. But sure, go ahead and work on this draft. CommanderWaterford (talk) 18:45, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- @CommanderWaterford: You put the press release in there. This is what I am going to do:
Excellent
Wow, you are fast! Hockeycatcat (talk) 10:53, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hockeycatcat, thanks. WP:HUGGLE is a super fast tool. Have you tried it? Spacebar to load next edit, Q to rollback and warn and load next edit. –Novem Linguae (talk) 10:56, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
I have heard of it, but I'm just starting to get used to RedWarn. I will give it a try soon! Cheers, Hockeycatcat (talk) 11:01, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
"Nothing personal" – does that still apply?
A while ago, you said "nothing personal". It was when you moved "video game piracy" article back to its original title, I think. Does that still apply? I don't feel happy at all right now. I don't feel happy in general. Do you think that I'm trying to be disruptive? You have no obligation to believe me but I promise you I'm not. I've seen a problem and I'm trying to fix it. Is it my wording that causes me to fail? Or is it something else? Please help me. This situation is depressing. DesertPipeline (talk) 04:32, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- DesertPipeline, hello. Yeap, nothing personal still applies. I think you're a good person and I think you're editing in good faith. I do not think you're being intentionally disruptive. You're not edit warring, and you're keeping most of this on talk pages, which is good. I am just not comfortable having this "software piracy" POV stuff in mainspace or in a Wikipedia essay that gives advice to users. My view has solidified on this since we last talked, because this issue has come up on 3 talk pages that I'm following, and if I recall correctly multiple editors have sided against this POV, and not a single editor has sided with this POV. Also, we asked you to userfy your POV essay Wikipedia:Loaded words and terms on Wikipedia, and you declined, so the next logical step is MFD.
Is it my wording that causes me to fail? Or is it something else?
The core problem is that reliable sources are fine with the phrase "software piracy", but you are not. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. We are a WP:TERTIARY source that summarizes what WP:SECONDARY sources (such as newspapers and books) say. We do not get to decide these things ourselves. We must summarize what reliable secondary sources say. It is OK to have a personal POV, we all do. But it is not OK to let it show in our editing. We must always remain neutral in the sense that we survey what secondary sources say about something, then we cover the ideas proportionally. Please see WP:WEIGHT and WP:NPOV. –Novem Linguae (talk) 07:48, 23 May 2021 (UTC)- Then should I give up trying to fix things here and simply focus on the real world? DesertPipeline (talk) 07:51, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hi DesertPipeline. In my personal opinion, I think you should give up on editing your personal list of loaded words out of articles. A strong consensus seems to have formed against that. However you are of course welcome to help out doing pretty much anything and everything else. For example, your talk page says you enjoy copy editing, so that'd be a great area to jump into. Just be receptive to feedback and you'll be fine. It may seem like it's a bunch of people posting their personal opinions and corrections on talk pages, but there's actually a lot of written and unwritten norms around here. If an experienced editor is making the post, it is often not an attempt to bully you into following an opinion, but rather to let you know what the norm is around here. Hope that helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 08:05, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you. I was too vague in my comment though; I meant should I stop trying to fix things here relating to these words and instead try to solve the problem in the real world itself? DesertPipeline (talk) 08:07, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- DesertPipeline, yes, I think that'd be a good idea. –Novem Linguae (talk) 08:12, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Okay; thank you. I have no idea how I'm going to do that, especially with the CVD-19 pandemic still going on, but I don't want to do nothing about all the problems in the world. DesertPipeline (talk) 08:16, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- DesertPipeline, hmm, maybe start a blog on WordPress.com or something similar? Or maybe see if GNU has a forum/Discord and participate there? –Novem Linguae (talk) 08:29, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if I trust WordPress; if I were to do something like that, I'd probably want to host my own website (even though I don't have a computer I can leave on all the time for that). I've never liked Discord – it's proprietary spyware. It would be strange if any GNU community was using it. DesertPipeline (talk) 09:01, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- DesertPipeline, hmm, maybe start a blog on WordPress.com or something similar? Or maybe see if GNU has a forum/Discord and participate there? –Novem Linguae (talk) 08:29, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Okay; thank you. I have no idea how I'm going to do that, especially with the CVD-19 pandemic still going on, but I don't want to do nothing about all the problems in the world. DesertPipeline (talk) 08:16, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- DesertPipeline, yes, I think that'd be a good idea. –Novem Linguae (talk) 08:12, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you. I was too vague in my comment though; I meant should I stop trying to fix things here relating to these words and instead try to solve the problem in the real world itself? DesertPipeline (talk) 08:07, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hi DesertPipeline. In my personal opinion, I think you should give up on editing your personal list of loaded words out of articles. A strong consensus seems to have formed against that. However you are of course welcome to help out doing pretty much anything and everything else. For example, your talk page says you enjoy copy editing, so that'd be a great area to jump into. Just be receptive to feedback and you'll be fine. It may seem like it's a bunch of people posting their personal opinions and corrections on talk pages, but there's actually a lot of written and unwritten norms around here. If an experienced editor is making the post, it is often not an attempt to bully you into following an opinion, but rather to let you know what the norm is around here. Hope that helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 08:05, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Then should I give up trying to fix things here and simply focus on the real world? DesertPipeline (talk) 07:51, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
Hi Novem Linguae,
You have recently reverted my week’s work on the article Representational state transfer, claiming that they may violate copyright. This is not the case, as Roy Fielding states explicitly on the site hosting his doctoral dissertation (https://www.ics.uci.edu/~fielding/pubs/dissertation/faq.htm):
Copying or printing this work
You may have noticed that I have included a copyright statement of "All rights reserved" on all pages of this HTML edition. The purpose of that is to make it clear who owns the copyright (me) so that you don't go asking the University of California or UMI (the microfiche archive company) for the following permission.
I, Roy Thomas Fielding, hereby grant permission to You, whoever you may be, to copy, print, or otherwise reproduce this dissertation for non-commercial use (including classroom, research, government use, or anything covered by the usual notion of "fair use") in its original PDF edition, 2-up PDF edition, or HTML edition, or excerpts thereof, provided that any such reproduction includes the full reference to this work, as described below, either on the initial page of the reproduction or by citation to a list of references within a larger work.
If you would like to reproduce this work for commercial purposes, as in selling it as a book or a significant part of a published compilation, then you will have to ask for my permission separately.
So could we restore my work?
Best regards,
Maggyero (talk) 17:37, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Maggyero. Thanks for the explanation, I did not see that. I do not think that this copyright license is permissive enough, as there is a clear "© Roy Thomas Fielding, 2000. All rights reserved." at the bottom of the source page, and also "educational use only" licenses are not usually considered permissive enough to use at Wikipedia. But I am not an expert on this, so I am happy to ping Diannaa for a second opinion, if she's available and willing. Hope that helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:00, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- That's not a compatible license, because it does not allow commercial use, and our license allows any use whatsoever, including commercial use.— Diannaa 🇨🇦 (talk) 21:58, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Diannaa: Thank you. So what is the process now? Can I submit a copyright compliant version this weekend? Maggyero (talk) 22:39, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hey Maggyero. I already removed the problem text from the article and submitted a request for revision deletion. The old revisions will be hidden from view. If you continue work on the article, you will need to make sure that you do not use copy pasted text. Please use the current, copyright compliant version as a base. Hope that helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 22:42, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for you help. I will better paraphrase. Could I request your review when I am done? Maggyero (talk) 23:48, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Maggyero, sure. Two tips, if I may. 1) Check this tool every once in awhile to make sure your additions aren't setting off the copyright detector. 2) Consider using the existing structure of the article as a base, rather than doing a complete re-write. Small, incremental changes are more likely to be found acceptable. –Novem Linguae (talk) 04:17, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the tool suggestion, I really like that tool. What is the maximal similarity percentage of the copyright detector for an acceptable article on Wikipedia? Maggyero (talk) 09:08, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Maggyero, best to examine the red highlighted text on the left. Only quotes and proper nouns should be highlighted. Once you get over like 5 unquoted words in a row highlighted, that's getting into copy paste territory, which isn't permitted. Hope that helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 12:27, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- I see. Thanks for you help. Maggyero (talk) 16:42, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Hello, I have added one additional source from the Evening Standard as you requested for Draft:Allegra_Mostyn-Owen article. Please let me know if this will suffice. Thank you. --Death Star Central (talk) 08:01, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Death Star Central, thanks for your work on the article. This new source appears to be based off an interview (lots of quotes), so arguably is not independent. Also, it being from the same newspaper as one of the other GNG sources is also not ideal (ideally, all 3 should be different). It doesn't quite pass my threshold yet, but I am happy to leave it in the queue for another reviewer. Or you could also add some additional sources and I'll take another look. Hope that helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 08:21, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Novem Linguae Oh, I see what you mean. Here is another article from The Times I have now added to this article. You need to subscribe to read it fully, but you can subscribe one month for free on a smartphone. --Death Star Central (talk) 08:32, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Death Star Central, thanks for that source. I obtained a copy through WP:RX and read it. I am concerned that the author has too close a relationship to the article subject (talks about going places with her), OR that the entire article is a submission from a reader (says "Email yasmin with your life-affirming true stories" at the bottom). –Novem Linguae (talk) 10:33, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Novem LinguaeRight, ok. Well how about this reference in The Siasat Daily, titled "Abdul Majid with his new wife" that I have added to the article?--Death Star Central (talk) 11:50, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Death Star Central, thanks for that source. I obtained a copy through WP:RX and read it. I am concerned that the author has too close a relationship to the article subject (talks about going places with her), OR that the entire article is a submission from a reader (says "Email yasmin with your life-affirming true stories" at the bottom). –Novem Linguae (talk) 10:33, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Novem Linguae Oh, I see what you mean. Here is another article from The Times I have now added to this article. You need to subscribe to read it fully, but you can subscribe one month for free on a smartphone. --Death Star Central (talk) 08:32, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
Fixed archiving on User talk:Novem Linguae/Newsletters
Hi! I took the liberty of fixing the auto-archiving settings at User talk:Novem Linguae/Newsletters. The bot will only archive to a subpage of the page to be archived, otherwise the page shows up in Category:Pages where archive parameter is not a subpage. So I configured it to use User talk:Novem Linguae/Newsletters/Archive 1 (at first, it'll automatically increase the counter if the first archive is full). --rchard2scout (talk) 09:25, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Rchard2scout. Well spotted. Thank you for your assistance. –Novem Linguae (talk) 11:45, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Original Barnstar |
| Thanks for creating VisualEditorEverywhere!!! —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:34, 7 June 2021 (UTC) |
- Tenryuu. You're very welcome. Thanks for the barnstar. Happy editing :) –Novem Linguae (talk) 20:46, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
Scripts
Would you mind adding
=== User scripts ===
* '''[[User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/CiteHighlighter|CiteHighlighter]]''' - Highlights 1,800 sources green, yellow, or red depending on reliability.
*'''[[User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/NPPLinks|NPPLinks]]''' - Adds [[WP:BEFORE]], copyvio check, duplicate article check, and other useful [[wikipedia:NPP|New Page Patrol]] links to the left menu.
*'''[[User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/UserHighlighterSimple|UserHighlighterSimple]]''' - Highlights usernames based on permissions and edit count. User permission data is updated '''''<u>daily</u>''''' by [[User:NovemBot|NovemBot]].
*'''[[User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/VisualEditorEverywhere|VisualEditorEverywhere]]''' - Displays the Visual Editor "Edit" tab and "Edit" section link on pages that don't normally have them: templates, talk pages, Wikipedia namespace.
*[[User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/Links.js|'''Links.js''']] - Adds some links to the left menu, including pending changes, subpages, central auth, common.js, and global.js.
* [[User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/RequestedArticleSifter.js|'''RequestedArticleSifter.js''']] - Mass deletes entries at [[Wikipedia:Requested articles/Business and economics/Companies]] that do not have at least 2 sources.
*'''[[User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/CopyTitle.js|CopyTitle.js]]''' - Adds a "Copy" button next to article titles. Clicking on it copies the title to the clipboard.
to User:Novem Linguae/Scripts, for more clarity. (The wikitext was copied from your userpage.) ― Qwerfjkl | 𝕋𝔸𝕃𝕂 (please use {{reply to|Qwerfjkl}} on reply) 20:23, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Qwerfjkl,
Done. I added a redirect so I don't have to keep it updated in two places. Hope that helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 01:23, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks! ― Qwerfjkl | 𝕋𝔸𝕃𝕂 (please use
{{reply to|Qwerfjkl}}on reply) 06:05, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks! ― Qwerfjkl | 𝕋𝔸𝕃𝕂 (please use
In the revert summary, you have written "bio-engineering is still considered a conspiracy theory" Nope! The 'Lab leak theory' argues about 'gain-of-function' research in Wuhan lab, it is bio-engineering! I think you meant deliberate genetic engineering of coronaviruses. Considering, her more sinister claims that the virus is a tool in Chinese biological warfare. Well, that could qualify as conspiracy theory for now. :) Neurofreak (talk) 12:58, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Discussion at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement § Normchou
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement § Normchou. Shibbolethink (♔ ♕) 00:17, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
Lab Leak
I just wanted to say that despite taking the opposite point of view as your essay, I actually do like it. In fact I've recently ripped you off . . . twice! Cheers. Adoring nanny (talk) 02:30, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- Adoring nanny, thanks for the message. I'm glad you like. I try to stay out of the edit wars and just work on my essay. Life is simpler that way :) –Novem Linguae (talk) 06:41, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
Adding the section about Reverse cargo cult and its subsequent removing
My article, Renu Raj, is not yet received. Will you please review my article? Idhachu (talk) 15:45, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement § Shibbolethink. Shibbolethink (♔ ♕) 22:55, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
hello i dont know what are inline citations ive read the article that you put but i still dont understand — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki editor 9004 (talk • contribs)
- Wiki editor 9004. Hey there. Try adding
<ref>https://url.com</ref>at the end of some sentences. Or if you're using the visual editor, try hitting the "cite" button. –Novem Linguae (talk) 12:04, 4 July 2021 (UTC)- i made some citations but the rest of the informations are taken from an interview with the coach in arabic is this enough to get the article accpeted? can yu please accept it now — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki editor 9004 (talk • contribs)
Articles for Creation July 2021 Backlog Elimination Drive
Hello Novem Linguae:
WikiProject Articles for creation is holding a month long Backlog Drive!
The goal of this drive is to eliminate the backlog of unreviewed articles. The drive is running until 31 July 2021.
Barnstars will be given out as awards at the end of the drive.
There is currently a backlog of over 1400 articles, so start reviewing articles. We're looking forward to your help!
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Hi Novem Linguae! The thread you created at the Wikipedia:Teahouse,
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Please explain how you apply your neutral point of view
Thank you for your friendly reminder / final warning to block me. Do you mind sharing all the details of your investigation/research on PolitiFact that the source is neutral itself? When a different point of view was cited and presented, it was automatically labelled as against the neutral point of view and Vandalism and disruptive editing? Thank you in advance for the education I am looking forward to.
The same reply was also posted on [talk page]. CatchBias (talk) 21:22, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
- CatchBias. Hey there. Your edits did not have the correct tone for an encyclopedia. We can't say that a publication "spread truth". Also you were edit warring, you received multiple reverts and user talk warnings yet kept repeating the same edits. That is why you were given a level 4 warning. You are welcome to suggest changes to the article on the page Talk:Guo Wengui, and if enough editors agree, changes will be made. –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:29, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
- You did not answer my question. Please answer it first, so we can take it from there together - whether PolitiFact is biased and back it up. All I can see is you promote bias narrative. Also, you lack basic user-centered mindset to work in your role: you CANNOT expect new users to notice all your features all at once. All I can see if the undos in the version history which distracted me from any notifications. my biggest concern is the first undo was because of no reliable source; now the story changed to tone. What is next? Is it called inconsistency？CatchBias (talk) 22:08, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
- CatchBias, PolitiFact is "generally reliable" at WP:RSPSOURCES. But as I said on your user talk page, this would be a good discussion to have at Talk:Guo Wengui. –Novem Linguae (talk) 22:35, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
- According to the thesaurus, the opposite words of misinformation include, for example, "truth", so Wiki's neutral point of view means the word "disinformation" is neutral, but the opposite word "truth", a word listed as an antonym in the dictionary, is not? What is your suggestion to bring the Wall Street Journal commentary to Wiki: The Science Suggests a Wuhan Lab Leak to Wiki? Thank you. CatchBias (talk) 22:50, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
- CatchBias, PolitiFact is "generally reliable" at WP:RSPSOURCES. But as I said on your user talk page, this would be a good discussion to have at Talk:Guo Wengui. –Novem Linguae (talk) 22:35, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
- You did not answer my question. Please answer it first, so we can take it from there together - whether PolitiFact is biased and back it up. All I can see is you promote bias narrative. Also, you lack basic user-centered mindset to work in your role: you CANNOT expect new users to notice all your features all at once. All I can see if the undos in the version history which distracted me from any notifications. my biggest concern is the first undo was because of no reliable source; now the story changed to tone. What is next? Is it called inconsistency？CatchBias (talk) 22:08, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
Thanks Novem for your edits about the links not working on my draft for Michael Amini. I';ve made the updates and the links should be live and have been numbered accordingly. Thanks again for giving my first attempt at publishing a critique. Also, please let me know if you have any other helpful tips on getting my Wikipedia for Michael Amini published., Have a great day and happy editing! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keithduross (talk • contribs)
- Keithduross. Hey there. That's better but not quite what I had in mind, so I went ahead and fixed it for you. Take a look at this to get an idea. The
<ref>tag is what makes this work. Hope that helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 00:14, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
Good morning @Novem Linguae:, I would like to apologize for an article which probably is not in an idiomatic English. I have inspected it and just made same corrections.
There was a red wlink in the article about the Piazza Fontana bombing, so I thought the encyclopedia needed a translation of it.
I would be grateful if you or other WP users are likely to have a look to the text and made eventual further improvements. Regards, Theologian81sp (talk) 10:36, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
How can I get my website to be recognised such as Bluelight (web forum) ? Was my draft really bad ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aegersz (talk • contribs)
- Aegersz. Hey there. To be recognized, you need to add citations to reliable sources such as newspapers and books that talk about it. Without several citations like this, your website might not meet our inclusion criteria. Hope that helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 06:43, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks. Aegersz (talk) 07:07, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi Novem Linguae, Why you add that reference which need subscription to open? I assumed that the sources is open/running/fine but after few seconds the new subscription interface were open.Hope you understand. (Fade258 (talk) 11:38, 15 July 2021 (UTC))
- Fade258. Hey there. Thanks for the question. Paywalled sources are allowed, and should not be deleted from articles. If you really need to see the source, you can use something like WP:RX or Wikipedia Library to obtain a copy of it. Hope that helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 12:06, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for participating in my RFA
It was kind of you to support my run for admin. Your support is appreciated. Please contact me if you see any of my actions don't meet your trust. BusterD (talk) 06:53, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- BusterD, you're welcome. I'm sure you'll do a great job. See you around. –Novem Linguae (talk) 07:24, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
Just a FYI in case you had not seen and wanted to comment Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yu-Shan Lin (chemist) - I've assessed as a borderline case but definitely the correct call from an AfC point. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 18:46, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- KylieTastic, thank you for bringing this to my attention. I may end up writing a user script to auto watchlist the afd page of any AFC accept or NPP pass of mine, so I can see these afds more easily and calibrate my reviewing. For professors, I tend to approve if their h-index is over 20. Thanks again, see you around! –Novem Linguae (talk) 18:56, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- I think AfC used to have a bot to alert us, I certainly think it would be good to know. Some I would not argue when I take a 50/50 punt but others I would and for PRODs it can be worse as one person can kill even though clearly the author and reviewer disagree. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 19:05, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I read your comment on Draft:Jennifer B. Glass. I too would consider said subject barely shy from my very arbitrary threshold for passing WP:PROF#1, but I feel somewhat compelled to give the benefit of the doubt and not allow for a small margin to decline what I would believe is a highly accomplished women scientist in her field. If you don't feel too strongly about this, I'd feel comfortable accepting. The worst that can happen is someone challenges this decision at AfD. What do you say? nearlyevil665 07:26, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
- Nearlyevil665, works for me. Go for it. Just be advised, I got AFD'd on an article I recently accepted of a professor with h-index of 24, and it's currently 3 delete, 4 keep. Pretty close. –Novem Linguae (talk) 07:36, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the heads up! nearlyevil665 07:41, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
- Nearlyevil665, by the way, do you have WP:DISCORD? It's always nice to chat with NPP/AFC folk. –Novem Linguae (talk) 08:16, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
- I found your Discord username. I'll send you a message. –Novem Linguae (talk) 08:18, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm on there! Drop me a message. nearlyevil665 08:21, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the heads up! nearlyevil665 07:41, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
Thank you Novem Linkuae, for your inputs. I have added more description to the topic. Can you please help me out on how can I make my article pass WP:GNG Thank you Pateldeepesh (talk) 09:27, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
- Pateldeepesh, I'd recommend more citations. Currently there are 3, and they are to unreliable WP:SELFPUBLISHed sources such as Medium and GitHub. Those don't count toward WP:GNG. –Novem Linguae (talk) 09:32, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
please I need to write about this again how can I do it and unblock the article help me 06:16, 12 July 2021 Materialscientist talk contribs deleted page Draft:Ravi Rajapaksha (G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement of https://english.newstracklive.com/ampnews/inspirational-life-story-of-ravi-rajapaksa-sc17-nu293-ta293-1162842-1.html) (thank)
Martin karu (talk) 11:38, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- good day novem,
- actually, I'm sorry about this it's my mistake..now I like to create a new unique article for Ravi Rajapaksha..i will recreating a page similar to the previously deleted page,please can you unblock article and I will never do it again its my mistake too.
- thank you
- 06:16, 12 July 2021 Materialscientist talk contribs deleted page Draft:Ravi Rajapaksha (G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement of https://english.newstracklive.com/ampnews/inspirational-life-story-of-ravi-rajapaksa-sc17-nu293-ta293-1162842-1.html) (thank)
- Martin karu. Hey there. You can just recreate it using this link: Draft:Ravi Rajapaksha. Just make sure to avoid what got it deleted in the first place. No copy pasting, and no close paraphrasing. You need to write everything from scratch, in your own words. Good luck. –Novem Linguae (talk) 19:32, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- hey there..,thank you very much for your support..recreated article is here..how can I live it for search rusalt...
- https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Draft:Ravi_Rajapaksha Martin karu (talk) 08:53, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
- Martin karu, I think that outcome is unlikely. This draft has copyright issues and advertising issues. –Novem Linguae (talk) 09:30, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
- novem linguae, I removed the same Copywrite issues and advertising issues.thanks for awareness Martin karu (talk) 04:54, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
- Martin karu, you can go to your draft and press submit. A reviewer will be along shortly. –Novem Linguae (talk) 04:59, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
- how to submit? Martin karu (talk) 05:22, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
- Martin karu, normally there is a submit button. But it was missing for some reason. I submitted it for you. –Novem Linguae (talk) 05:31, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
- i think it is missing..anyway thank you for your submit Martin karu (talk) 05:36, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
- Martin karu, normally there is a submit button. But it was missing for some reason. I submitted it for you. –Novem Linguae (talk) 05:31, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
- novem linguae, I removed the same Copywrite issues and advertising issues.thanks for awareness Martin karu (talk) 04:54, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
- Martin karu, I think that outcome is unlikely. This draft has copyright issues and advertising issues. –Novem Linguae (talk) 09:30, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
- Martin karu. Hey there. You can just recreate it using this link: Draft:Ravi Rajapaksha. Just make sure to avoid what got it deleted in the first place. No copy pasting, and no close paraphrasing. You need to write everything from scratch, in your own words. Good luck. –Novem Linguae (talk) 19:32, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for message. He's clearly notable, but you appear to have overlooked some other issues
- The image is a copyright violation, see this, tagged Copyright © 2021, All Rights Reserved, Institute Computer Centre, IIT Roorkee
- The text has three sources, two are websites where he has written the content, and the third is his own book. Publications should be in a section with that title, not used to reference their author. I can't see how you could accept a biography of a living person entirely lacking independent verifiable references.
- The claim which is widely used as a text book in Consumer Behavior courses in Indian Business schools is promotional in tone and the WorldCat link you reference it to doesn't say that, let alone confirm it
- Not a reason for deletion, but using US English instead of Indian English spelling for an article about an Indian living and working in India is clearly not appropriate
I stand by deleting what you accepted since it has no properly verified content and a promotional claim, but I'm prepared to restore it as a draft without the refs and the promo if you want to fix the problems Cheers Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:09, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
- Jimfbleak. Hey there. Thanks for the feedback. I'll go ahead and calibrate my reviewing based on your advice. No need to restore the article. Thanks for your time. –Novem Linguae (talk) 13:42, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
All's well that ends well, I 'spose
Good grief, all that trouble with Draft:Andrey Aksyonov, only to end in a redir. How did you know it was a duplicate, given the different spelling? Anyway, good catch, and a neat outcome. :) Cheers, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:38, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
- DoubleGrazing. Hey there. I think it was probably double submitted to game the system. I accepted one of them due to WP:NPOL, and had watchlisted the other one for some reason, without realizing there were 2 until the watchlist one popped up again. I think at the time they had the same picture, a portrait with a blue background, so that helped jog my memory. Honestly I am second guessing myself a bit, when I get some time I may go through the sources again and if I do not like their quality, I may unreview it. –Novem Linguae (talk) 06:14, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
I noticed you declined my article for submission. This section made other article to long. So i created a new article for it to we manage these informations. It was based on issue of national interest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.10.28.154 (talk • contribs)
- That article is not very big. I recommend you get consensus on the talk page before trying to split. Talk:People's Socialist Party, Nepal. –Novem Linguae (talk) 10:10, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
Thank you so much for reviewing and for your feedback on Emma. It is an award winning documentary. I have also added some other sources that are not from stuff.co.nz. Like [1]. Also note the reviews from thespinoff. Please note [2] and also [3] - Thank you so much for reviewing! I appreciate the feedback. I will keep searching for other reliable sources. --ArleneHerman (talk) 09:53, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
- ArleneHerman, great. Go ahead and resumit when ready. –Novem Linguae (talk) 09:55, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you. It is not a web series, but an online documentary. Thank you :) --ArleneHerman (talk) 10:11, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
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I saw your decline reason on this draft while removing categories from drafts and tried to improve it, and wanted your opinion on how I did. CodeLyokotalk 20:03, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- CodeLyoko, thanks for your work on the draft. I went ahead and submitted it. A reviewer will be along shortly to take a look. –Novem Linguae (talk) 20:39, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
WP:1CA problems?
I saw your edit summary over at Talk:COVID-19 lab leak hypothesis and thought I'd suggest Archy McArchface, I find it works better/less awkwardly. Cheers, Jr8825 • Talk 00:26, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- Jr8825, I'll check it out. Thank you very much for the suggestion. –Novem Linguae (talk) 01:11, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello! I saw your post recently in the (completely off the rails) discussion on https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Aliza_Kelly and I wanted to ask you some questions. Before I start, I want to quickly clarify that I really don't care if that particular article gets deleted or not, I'm just trying to understand how AfD, GNG, and source analysis works. A lot of the "delete" comments in that particular thread are using arguments that I've seen dismissed in other AfD discussions, like that the tone of the article is promotional or sensational (the solution of that would be to edit and remove promotional language, not delete, correct?). Part of my concern is that GNG is applied differently based on the editors personal feelings towards the subject or an article itself - I've seen subjects with a lot less coverage than Aliza Kelly pass AfD discussions. It feels to me like she could have a 1,000 word profile in the Washington Post and some of the commenters in that thread would still say "delete" because they don't like her, the article, astrology itself, or the way that some of the "keep" voters are behaving in the AfD discussion. The dispute about the New Yorker article is particularly confusing to me. Again, I'm truly neutral here. I have no opinion. I sort of wish I had just stayed out of that whole AfD. But I'm just trying to figure out, as someone who's been editing and participating in AfD discussions for about a month and would like to start contributing actual articles at some point, what kind of sources are really required to pass GNG. I know that, at the end of the day, consensus is what really decides it more than anything else, but I feel like there has got to be something more in depth and concrete than WP:GNG that I'm missing. Do you have any guidance on this or further reading? Thank you! Niftysquirrel (talk) 13:41, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- Niftysquirrel, hello friend. This is a great question.
- Short answer – Check out this essay I wrote on the nuances of GNG.
- Long answer – I've been in your shoes. I've been a new editor that was confused by our very complex notability policies. Trying to crack this puzzle actually launched me on a journey. I enrolled in WP:NPPSCHOOL and received months of training on notaiblity. Before NPPSCHOOL, as I saw articles I liked getting deleted that had tens of thousands of google hits, I often wondered if AFD was a bit of a sham, and wondered if people just voted however they wanted. After going through all that training, I can confidently say that there is a fair system, just that it's extremely complicated and basically requires training to understand.
- The Aliza Kelly AFD is interesting for a couple of reasons. One, astrology is a pseudoscience, so that does raise the bar, the # of GNG passing sources rises from around 3 to around 4 or more. Two, it involves a paid editor. The community hates paid editors. Three, it is getting brigaded. Two and three have created a situation where, if there was any chance of being lenient because she is borderline, that is gone now. By the way, the string of recent delete votes is experienced editors coming in after seeing this thread at the administrator's noticeboard. Hope this helps. Feel free to ask more questions. Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 18:49, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- This is great, thank you so much! Your essay is very helpful, as well as the recommendation of WP:NPPSCHOOL. That's definitely something I'd like to do once I get a little bit more experience under my belt. I appreciate the advice! Niftysquirrel (talk) 23:32, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Please tell me why in the Polish version of wikipedia everything is correct, and here there is a problem? Fundacja Okulistyka 21 (talk) 12:35, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
- Fundacja Okulistyka 21, hey there. Each Wikipedia has its own rules, and English Wikipedia's rules are sometimes stricter. For this particular draft, there is a lot of text without citations to reliable sources such as newspapers and books. I went ahead and deleted a lot of text, this should make it more likely to get accepted. However this article still needs more citations to reliable sources such as newspapers and books. Right now the only secondary source in the entire article appears to be [4]. Need more citations to newspaper articles and other independent sources. –Novem Linguae (talk) 20:13, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Please review Prime Minister’s Awards for Excellence in Public Administration, this article.. Thanks --Shaji issac (talk) 01:32, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- Shaji issac, hey there. I don't have time right now, but it is in the WP:NPP queue. A reviewer will be along to examine it. –Novem Linguae (talk) 01:53, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
About this draft, I found some sources and added it, I think it was good, can you revert it to an article published again? Ricardo Fett (talk) 01:28, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- Ricardo Fett, thanks for your work on this. Go ahead and hit the blue "Resubmit" button located at the article. It's at the bottom left of the red "submission declined" box at the top. Then a reviewer will be along shortly to take a look. –Novem Linguae (talk) 01:47, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- Novem Linguae, thank you. I will do this. –Ricardo Fett (talk) 12:50, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello, you canceled the addition to the article by Andrey Aksenov, can you ask why?--Mustang397 (talk) 11:10, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- Mustang397. Hello friend. Your edits renamed the "External links" section to "Life Position", which is not good grammar. Your edits also added a link to a YouTube video, which we do not normally add per WP:YOUTUBE-EL. Hope that helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 11:18, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
Mustang397 (talk) 11:45, 5 August 2021 (UTC)"Life position" is not the name of the section? Need "External Links"? If the video is not from YouTube, but from the site, then skip it?
- Mustang397. Correct, external links section should always be called external links. And it should not contain YouTube video links or video interviews. –Novem Linguae (talk) 11:52, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
Mentoring
Hello, I'm hoping to publish an article and am interested in being taken on as a mentee or adoptee. Are you adopting this year? Thanks! Nellas Galadhon (talk) 22:07, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Nellas Galadhon. Sure, I'm happy to help. What's your article name going to be? We should make sure it passes WP:GNG or one of the WP:SNGs before we do any writing. Not all articles are "notable" (safe from deletion on Wikipedia), so best to check notability before beginning writing. Also, feel free to contact me on instant messenger, please see WP:DISCORD for more info on the instant messenger I use. –Novem Linguae (talk) 01:03, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
Thank you very much! My instinct is to finish it more before sharing it but also worth not chasing a red herring I suppose. Can you see my sandbox? I'm at JTRS#5506 on Discord but I'd like to delete this as soon as you find me there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nellas Galadhon (talk • contribs)
- Nellas Galadhon. Hey there. I was unable to find your sandbox. I don't see any edits to an article named sandbox in your edit history. Feel free to link to your sandbox so I can take a look. I friend requested you on Discord. –Novem Linguae (talk) 04:58, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
Deletion review for Alberta Association of Architects
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Alberta Association of Architects. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review.
Note I don't think you closed it incorrectly given the information available to you at the time but given the new information I think it might need reassessment. HighInBC Need help? Just ask. 23:38, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the notification. Just a quick note that I didn't close this, rather I was the nominator. Bummer that socks cast a shadow on the AFD. Hopefully we can come to a satisfactory resolution. –Novem Linguae (talk) 23:54, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oops, my mistake. Thank you for pointing that out. I will notify the closer now. I suspect the outcome may be the same, though some effort has been made to source it so I don't know. HighInBC Need help? Just ask. 23:57, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
About editing on the same page
Hello,
Nice to chat with you here.
Saw you are editing Tong Zeng's Wikipedia page too, could we communicate?
Best wishes, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Winwin272727 (talk • contribs)
- Sure. What's your question? –Novem Linguae (talk) 06:02, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Doubt
Hello! Hope you are safe during this global pandamic. I've created an article on Naslen K. Gafoor on mainspace, another user moved it into Draft:Naslen K. Gafoor. He placed the tag {{db-author}} there, see. Hope that is wrong, right? He can't tag db-author, nah? Sreeram Dilak (talk) 15:54, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- later he removed the {{subst:submit}} tag, which I placed there for review. see. This is vandalism, right? Sreeram Dilak (talk) 15:58, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- Sreeram Dilak, hello. I took a look.
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- db-author - It seems to me that Iamfarzan draftified your article, and then Materialscientist deleted the redirect that was left behind. I can't see the deleted revisions, but at first glance it looks like WP:G7 was not the appropriate CSD criteria. However, deletion of the redirect was probably appropriate since it probably qualified for WP:R2.
- "vandalism" - I agree with you that it was incorrect to remove the subst:submit, although I don't know if I'd call it vandalism. I suspect this was an accident. It looks like the reviewer was trying to restore an AFC comment that you deleted. AFC comments and AFC decline messages should not be removed while the draft is in draftspace.
- Was draftification correct? - This one appears to pass WP:NACTOR, as he has at least two named major roles in movies that have Wikipedia articles: Home (2021 film) and Kuruthi. So this topic is notable. The AFC decline reason was sourcing. All biographical details about this person are sourced to 1 citation, this one. The source does appear to be reliable. Reliable means that the website is not self-published, has an editorial process, and has a reputation fact-checking an accuracy. News websites are usually reliable. However your AFC reviewer Iamfarzan is correct that most of it is an interview, so it is arguably not independent enough. I judge this one to be borderline. I do not feel comfortable accepting or declining this one yet. I suggest you either resubmit and wait for a different reviewer, or add a non-interview source for these biographical details then resubmit.
- Hope that helps. Thanks and have a great day. –Novem Linguae (talk) 19:24, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- Hello Novem Linguae, hope you are doing good. I've created a draft on Aswathy Sreekanth, winner of Kerala State Television Award for Best Actress. Can you please review the draft, Draft:Aswathy Sreekanth? --Sreeram Dilak (talk) 10:23, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
Rene Gonzalez Architects Page
Thank you for reviewing and editing this page: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Rene_Gonzalez_Architects
Since you have a lot more experience editing Wiki than me, I'm wondering if you know why the page doesn't appear as a result when running a Google search. I was trying to find it in recent weeks and was surprised to see it still doesn't appear as a result. I also asked another editor who said it is probably just a matter of time before Google includes it as a result, but I figured I would ask another editor who looked at the page--perhaps you'd know? Is there an issue with the page itself or perhaps a setting I chose that is preventing it from appearing? Any insight would be much appreciated. Thanks! macgirl (talk) 13:46, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Macgirl, hey there. Pages don't appear on Google until they are marked as reviewed by a new page reviewer. More details at WP:NPP. There is a big backlog, it can take a couple months sometimes. Hope that helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 19:32, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for your response! That makes sense. I'll keep an eye on the article, hopefully it will be reviewed soon. It's also unfortunate that the backlog is so long. I wish I could contribute more than I do... :( macgirl (talk) 23:04, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
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Mentorship
Hello there @Novem Linguae I was wondering if you're still open for mentorship. In short, I'm looking for someone who can help both teach me, and help me improve on the basics and move into advanced areas also. If you're able to help that would be fantastic, cheers! J-Man11 (talk) 16:59, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
- J-Man11. Hello friend. Sure, I'm happy to mentor, mainly through being asked questions. I'm also happy to instant message/chat about Wikipedia in general. Feel free to ask questions here, via email (click "Email this user" option), or on WP:DISCORD (my preferred instant messenger). Let me know what kind of help you need and what you have in mind. Thanks. –Novem Linguae (talk) 20:36, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
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If someone passes one of the PROF criteria, it is not necessary for. them to have "reliable, secondary, independent sources such as newspapers and books that go into detail about her biographically. " nor does it matterr if "Most of the citations currently in this article are written by her, or are WP:SELFPUBLISHED websites" WP:PROF is not GNG Any reliable source for the bio is ok, including an official CV. DGG ( talk ) 05:25, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
- Hey DGG. Thanks for the message. I had a bad experience approving Zillur Rahman (professor), where an admin told me
I can't see how you could accept a biography of a living person entirely lacking independent verifiable references
, so I no longer accept drafts with poor sourcing. There are also top NPPers that suggest always draftifying these types of articles. So unfortunately I don't think this kind of thing is black and white. I haven't checked Draft:Jasone Cenoz lately, maybe it's better now, but at the time I declined it for poor sourcing, it had 21 sources, and they were all self-published or non-independent. –Novem Linguae (talk) 18:19, 20 September 2021 (UTC)- I see the discussion. The problem was justifying the key claim, of being an author of a widely used textbook. ,In my experience, except for authors of the most famous textbooks, it can be very difficult to justify. Sometimes there will be a third party source, but often its a very weak 3rd party source; sometimes there's an attempt to use a publisher's blurb, sometimes I've been able to prove (or disprove) it by looking for others. If that's going to be the criterion, it's often wiser to try for WP:AUTHOR, which is an absurdly weak standard. The article was deleted in any case not for lack of notability , but speedy deleted as G11 , promotional ; it was of course somewhat promotional , but so is to some extent every article on a person place, company, product, or almost anything. The question for G11 is whether it was unfixable promotional , not just with respect to intent, but as written. It was not, and the G11 was an error, because it was in large part factual. (Of course, if an article about a person however notable is really promotional , it does have to be fixed, butt if there's a factual basis, as there was here, it's not all that difficult if the person is notable enough to be worth it. In similar situations , I typically argue for deletion saying "promotional and borderline notable at best" , and that in fact is essentially what the admin said ("G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion: self written vanity page, see WP:YFA WP:RS WP:COI WP:Notability (people), sources mainly self-written.)" This could have been a reason for an afd result, but it is definitely not a speedy. We all make errors, every single admin of us.
- WP:PROF's exact wording was a matter of long discussion by the eds. who work in the field about the time I came here 12 years ago. We tried to meet the various objections, so some of it is rather subtle. If you look carefully at WP:PROF, it says the only part requiring independent sourcing is criterion 1, having an influence in the person's subject. (as this is not a simple matter of fact, unlike the other criteria) It then explains in the next paragraph that this is normally met by showing citations or book reviews, etc. Bookreviews are obviously 3rd party; but so are citations, because they represent the decision of someone else that the subject is relevant. A single citation or a few don't show that really, and there's always but argument over just what number is appropriate. I further argued that the very fact that a peer reviewed paper was published is a third party endorsement by the reliable 3rd party, the editor of the journal, in which case everyone with 2 or 3 papers would be notable. After I and some colleagues said this, the people who didn't like WP:PROF stopped arguing.
- Now it gets interesting: just on the off chance, I checked Rahman's citations, I found something unexpected: the AfD didn't need to depend on the textbook at all. His count for citation to peer reviewed papers in decent journals is 822, 363, 334, 296, 276.... and that's very easily enough to show notability in any field! Neither you nor the admin nor anyone checked for this. So I am going to rewrite the article on that basis, in non-promotional language. Just as checking google is the first step for gng, checking google scholar is the first step for Prof. We all sometimes skip both of these if it seems really unlikely, but we're all sometimes wrong.
- There's another good discussion by others at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yu-Shan Lin (chemist)
- Thanks for giving me the occassion to go into all of this. DGG ( talk ) 22:47, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
- And I should say that I really like your essay User:Novem Linguae/Essays/Nuances of GNG. Tho I'd make some additions, which I'll put on the talk p. DGG ( talk ) 22:56, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
- DGG. Thanks. I'm glad you like the GNG essay. I feel that WP:GNG is not detailed enough, and that the SNGs are too detailed. I try in my notability essays to compensate for that.
- In regards to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yu-Shan Lin (chemist), I was the AFC acceptor for that article, and I agree, that was a really insightful deletion discussion.
- In regards to Zillur Rahman (professor),
Neither you nor the admin nor anyone checked for this.
I checked this, and it is the reason I AFC accepted and NPP patrolled this article. His # of cites is high, his h-index is high, he passes WP:NPROF #1. I think we're on the same page. - After Rahman got deleted, I posted a question at Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 39#Articles with poor sourcing. It wasn't black and white, but top reviewers made arguments such as
Articles that pass SNG still need adequate referencing to pass WP:VERIFY, otherwise you could establish SNG in the first sentence and then write whatever you wanted for the rest of the article.
I adjusted my reviewing to incorporate this. - And that's where I am nowadays. It's a bit tough to find an equilibrium on this issue, as there appear to be different views on this matter. But I will of course try my best to find a happy medium. –Novem Linguae (talk) 00:05, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
- I absolutely agree on the need to verify. I've seen some odd unverified claims or errors in the bio part of unsourced WP articles. on academics. But the CV is a RS for the purpose--and it's very easy to add it--it's usually at the bottom as an external link. In my 12 years here, I have found only one deliberate mistake--a PHD that was never awarded. (there are other deliberate mistakes in cvs released by politicians and officials, but they're not academics--when these are encoutered, the article (and the news media--say so) To clarify, the pR-written departmental page , as distinct from a formal CV, always has the bio correct as far as it goes, but tends to omit the earlier career and is erratic in describing the person's research, which the pr writer usually makes no effort to understand. I try to find the actual cv, which is usually not indexed in Google. I find the most direct way to describe someone's interests is to list their best-cited papers.
- And an article which just verifies meeting WP:PROF and says nothing more is by current standards a valid stub, as almost all recent afds have established. It's of course very poor quality encyclopedic writing-- I don't accept articles like that--I always suggest finding a little more, and one always can, because there's at least the publications.--and for a great many, the thesis is on worldcat, which will give the date of the phd, the title of the thesis, usually the name of the advisor, and sometimes the date of birth. The justification in terms of the AFC guidelines is to avoid the article even being challenged at afd.
- None of the discussion you cite was about PROF, but the more equivocal sngs, which only presume notability. The most common case there is evidence fro an offical record that someone is in a legislature. They aren't deleted, tho I personally think they could be merged, the way we merge members of noble families. In other fields, with less confidence in the sourcing, it can be another matter. GEOLAND seems to have flipped here, and OLYMPIC seems about to.), DGG ( talk ) 01:37, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
Sure did help
I just stumbled on this thanks mate, it has proven to be very much helpful. Celestina007 (talk) 23:30, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Celestina007 You're very welcome. Glad I could help. Enjoy the scripts. –Novem Linguae (talk) 23:36, 28 September 2021 (UTC)