User talk:Mr.fakepolicy

November 2024

Hello, I'm Arjayay. I noticed that you recently removed content from List of Vellalar sub castes without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. - Arjayay (talk) 11:59, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

no, its not by mistake, Devendrakula Velalar or Devendrakulam and isai vellalar actually doesn't fall under the vellalar sub-caste. both are different caste which starting using the name vellalar name recently and even some within the vellalars claim it as “identity theft” and “cultural misappropriation”. as for as i know even Devendrakula Velalar doesn't claim them as a sub-caste of vellalar. The Devendrakula Velalar itself a umbrella term for seven castes in the state of Tamil Nadu. Mr.fakepolicy (talk) 04:57, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'm mdr. I noticed that you recently removed karaiyar content from mudaliaar castes without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. 14.102.67.102 (talk) 16:54, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mudaliaar is a title gave to karaiyar by dutch in srilanka so there is no problem to include karaiyar to mudaliaar caste. 14.102.67.102 (talk) 16:57, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your input regarding the title Mudaliar and its connection to the Karaiyar community. I understand your perspective that the Dutch granted the title to certain individuals from the Karaiyar community in Sri Lanka. However, the historical context of the Mudaliar title indicates that it was traditionally conferred by Tamil kings to individuals of a specific caste, serving as a social or administrative designation within their community.

Over time, the title Mudaliar has been adopted by various groups for purposes of social upliftment or recognition. While this reflects the fluidity of social identities, it does not necessarily imply that the title originally belonged to or was equally shared by all communities. Therefore, in maintaining historical accuracy and context, I believe it is appropriate to limit the title’s association to its historically recognized caste origins unless there is substantial evidence to support a broader inclusion.

I removed the association of the Karaiyar community with the Mudaliar title on Wikipedia to ensure that the information remains accurate and reflects the traditional and historical usage of the title. If there is verifiable historical evidence to support the claim that the Mudaliar title was used more broadly or specifically by the Karaiyar community beyond the Dutch period, I encourage you to provide credible sources for review.

As an additional reference, the work of Robb, Peter (1996), Meanings of Agriculture: Essays in South Asian History and Economics (Oxford University Press, p. 348-349), discusses the historical context of titles like Mudaliar and their significance within the caste-based social structure.

Thank you for your understanding. Mr.fakepolicy (talk) 17:31, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you 14.102.67.102 (talk) 19:43, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]