User talk:Mattythewhite/Archive 5

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Leicester J Hayes Addition

Hi, just a quick one - you added Hayes to the Leicester team, but it looks like you accidentally deleted all the other transfer in/out information. Ive undone your change - go ahead and edit whichever details you were on before, just wanted to let you know why I undid it so it didnt cause a problem! Iambalrog 11:45, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

FA!

Hey, well done on getting there finally! Enjoy your bronze star! The Rambling Man 09:48, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Running Man Barnstar
		For getting York City F.C. to featured standard, I award you this barnstar. Oldelpaso 10:07, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Little request

Hi Matty,

Since you're such an ace at updating football player statistics, I have a little request for you regarding (what else) the Gilberto Silva article. Since it will be 'main paged' on May 16th, I think it's very important that the stats are 100% perfect, since so many people will be viewing it that day. Do you think you could double check all the stats and add on his recent appearances? I know it's a little cheeky of me to ask this, but the reason I do ask is that I'm abroad at the moment, and I can only access Wikipedia from an internet cafe - it makes editing a complete nightmare. Anyway, if you'd be so kind as to spare a few Wiki-minutes doing the aforementioned, I'd be eternally grateful, and if you don't have time, then of course don't worry in the slightest.

All the best. GilbertoSilvaFan 21:52, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Chris Hutchings

Have you got a source that his name is actually Christopher, not Chris or Christian? Sʟυмgυм • т • c 15:58, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Great. Never heard of that site before. Laters. Sʟυмgυм • т • c 16:27, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Scott Brown

Much in the same way that Jean-Claude Darcheville or Alan Gow have signed for Rangers - he is still a Hibs player and can't go anywhere until the transfer window opens. WATP ^(talk) • _(contribs) 15:22, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps one for a discussion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football then, I can't think of any way in which a player who isn't out of contract would be permitted to move outside the window. I also think Brown would be eligible for selection for Hibs' game this weekend, were he not suspended. Could be wrong though. WATP ^(talk) • _(contribs) 15:33, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Steve Evans (footballer born 1962)

Can you please give me a refrence of a book/URL of Steve Evans' full name (Stephen J. Evans). Reply on my talk page. Kingjamie 13:25, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Cheers for that site, will use in future Kingjamie 13:29, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Your vandalism

You fully new you were deleting a perfectly good edit. Kingjeff 17:18, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

It's not crystal Balling at all. He has a legal contract with Everton. In fact your comment is crystal Balling. Kingjeff 17:23, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Your last comment just shows how rediculus you are. There is nothing wrong with putting next season's row on. Kingjeff 17:28, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

The July 1st thing has already started here. Kingjeff 17:32, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Your last comment just proves my point even further. Since when is telling you about a discussion bad mouthing someone. Kingjeff 17:45, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

There is a reason for calling you rediculus. You're saying to put all years of a contract into a stats table. I find that very rediculus. Kingjeff 17:50, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I haven't seen anything saying he won't be there. He has a contract for the 2007-08 season with Everton. Kingjeff 17:55, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Armstrong

As far as I know there has been no official confirmation that Craig Armstrong has definitely signed for Gillingham, it certainly isn't on the GFC or CTFC websites and the BBC just say something like "reports are claiming"........ ChrisTheDude 20:52, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Fair play, I'd missed that page, but personally I'd still be inclined to leave it off the club's page until they officially announce it themselves ChrisTheDude 20:55, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Roy Carroll

According to West Ham (buried down the bottom of the page), "Hammers goalkeeper Roy Carroll has asked to leave Upton Park so that he can play regular first team football and has been granted a free transfer". The Roy Carroll article has been edited as if that means he's gone. I think whether he really has or not depends on your definition of "gone". Hope this helps ;-) Struway (talk) 11:40, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

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Squad Details

Hi, I am quite new to updating Wiki and notice you do a lot of non-league including Grays and am after a bit of help.

Do you know how I can update the following as when I add/removes players to the current squad they don't appear straight away. I'd like to remove the link from 'Jamie Stuart' too as the Jamie Stuart link, directs to the wrong Jamie Stuart.

Is the data for the current squad box held elsewhere or is it just taken from the Grays Athletic page with the Squad listed?

Regards.

Peer review of Margate F.C.

Hi Matty

You made some excellent comments on the Peer Review of Gillingham F.C. and I was wondering, if you had a spare moment or ten, if you could maybe take a look at another PR I've put up, namely this one. I've only had one response so far and I'd really like the input of at least one more experienced WP:FOOTBALL editor before I put it up for FA.

All the best

ChrisTheDude 11:41, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Brilliant, cheers! And best of luck with your remaining exams! ChrisTheDude 15:01, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks for your input! ChrisTheDude 10:24, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Featured article review Manchester City F.C.

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Recent edits to Hull City

Hi Matty,

I'm sorry, but I couldn't disagree more with your comments on the Hull City article. I think the current (latest) season is bound to be covered in more detail than one from 50 years ago (unless it was a particularly notable one where we won the FA Cup or something!) - especially with Wikpedia being a dynamic rather than a static encyclopedia. Admittedly, this is my instinct and feeling rather than any official Wikipedia policy that I'm aware of.

The current edit of the article has a one-line summary of the current season which tells us only that Peter Taylor left and was replaced by Phil Parkinson. It makes no mention of some significant occurences:

A season of struggle which ended with us escaping relegation by the skin of our teeth (goal difference, effectively).
Our first ever million-pound player.
Our first ever win in a televised game.
The sacking of Phil Parkinson and the appointment of Phil Brown.
The return to the club of Dean Windass (which would be on the scale of Alan Smith returning to Leeds).

Do you really think that removing all this information improves the article? Because I think quite the opposite!

Regards,

Beve 13:34, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi again Matty.

Thanks for your reply and the link to the article on recentism. I did notice that it's not a (capital P) Policy as such, and also says that recentism isn't necessarily always a bad thing. I also noticed however that the template at the bottom of the Hull City page has links to separate History and Seasons articles, and I can certainly see the argument that the main Hull City article should be more of a brief summary while these separate articles go into more depth. I still think though that it's been pruned back a little too far and I'd like to add a little back. I think I'll go ahead and do that, and I welcome any comments or criticisms you may have on it.

On the other hand, I'm now of the opinion that much of the History section from the main article could be moved to the separate History article ! But I will leave that alone for the moment.

Best wishes,

Beve 14:40, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

They are a bit POV aren't they? Especially that last one - every club has Premiership aspirations (but for some it's a more realistic prospect than others!). I rather like them though, but I'm a bit biased I suppose.

Beve 15:54, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know when that badge was used. I vaguely have a recollection that David Lloyd's son or somebody designed a godawful new badge when Lloyd was the owner, but don't quote me on that.

I'm pretty sure that our crest features a tiger rather than a lion though! ;-)

Beve 16:26, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know of one, I'm afraid. Beve 18:20, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Hogan Ephraim

Stop editing this players details, Hogan's listed number of 27 is correct.

Yes there are 2 listed, this is deliberate, it is because BOTH are still listed as #27 by the club.

It is a club error, not a Wikipedia error, and will be resolved when squad numbers are released for the next season.

194.193.170.84 15:54, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Knowles, Kedwell, O'Connor

Hi, I agree that the articles for Danny Kedwell, Aaron O'Connor might not have the status required for an article for non-league footballers.

Was wondering what status the player needs for it to be eligible? Is it just a league appearance? Jimbo online 15:02, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh right thanks. How do I go about deleting an article? Is it just adding the following?

subst:afd1

Jimbo online 15:07, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Why was the Onome Sodje afd closed? Jimbo online 08:03, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

YCFC Team

http://www.ycfc.net/meet-the-team.php , non? Me677 14:12, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Isn't the official website enough? It says he's left the club, so he's left? Phh, doesn't really matter. Time for a 2007-2008 season page? Me677 11:05, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Stuart Elliott (footballer born 1977) article started. Soccerbase stats are unreliable/missing for such a journeyman footballer who's been employed on a non-contract basis. I've put together an accurate list but the Northwich appearances/goals don't include the 05-06 season. If you care to cast an eye over it then a good article is [1] Me677 15:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Thierry Henry

I am adding Thierry Henry to the Squad?? I am adding this player to the future transfers and you to the squad, you are mistaken. and yes, this is a disaster. Greetings Raymond Cruise 19:32, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

SO you keep on taking thierry henry out of the list, let me tell you something, you dont control wikipedia (first), second, it is in fact a new part of the team http://www.as.com/futbol/primera/clubes/?comp=0372&ideq=3 , and third, you should really have a life

lol, well well well, did you atleast read it...OH...you nhave done pretty much yourself i guess...tons like..play playstation 2 (gta and pes as i quote from your page), but fine...be my guest, I wont say a thing and bother you when the day arrives and barcelona gets toure and henry..oh wait, henry IS a player already...

FC Bayern Munich Taskforce

Would you like to join a FC Bayern Munich Taskforce at WikiProject Munich? Kingjeff 20:42, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

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England National Game XI players

Yes it's TheFA.com/England/NationalGameXI Jimbo online 12:39, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Kieran Darlow

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Kieran Darlow

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Simon Cox (footballer born 1984)

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Torquay United squad section

Matty, not sure what happened with your last edit to the squad section, where it appears an attempt to sort it alphabeticaly just made it a mess. Whilst I appreciate making such changes aids your edit count, I don't see the need to change it from alphabetical by position, which I prefer, and even so would be useful to use the preview to check it's actually worked! WikiGull 11:57, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Current 'issues'

Hey, don't rise to it. I'm trying to defuse the situation a bit... hopefully we can compromise on this (somehow) and move on! You get my vote, by the way...! The Rambling Man 16:48, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Just doing my "job"! Take it easy... The Rambling Man 16:56, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Hull City

If it just says other teams someone could be mislead into thinking it means other teams in league or something.

stats

Juventus F.C. http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Juventus_F.C.#Club_statistics_and_records

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Image

where was image Image:Kc stadium inside.jpg taken?

grays

the grays players have stubs so they will be reconised by other wikipedians and expanded thay need a chance. They are notable because other players on the team have articles.

Hull City A.F.C. now GA

I passed the good article nomination for Hull City A.F.C., additional comments are on the talk page. Good work on your ever-increasing number of articles improved to GA or better! Oldelpaso 17:55, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Sam Collins (footballer)

I suspect you know better than me how to sort this out. I've just updated template:Milton Keynes Dons F.C. Squad because the link to Sam Collins was going to the Hull AFC player. Our Sam Collins is a rookie. I've manufactured a disambig, which isn't really ideal. Suggestions, please? --Concrete Cowboy 12:08, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Matty,

When you make these disambig pages, you really ought to click the "what links here" button and update pages to point to (for eg) Sam Collins (footballer) instead of Sam Collins where appropriate. I did this for Stuart Elliott and I'll do Sam Collins too.

Beve 17:45, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Hit Matty, You got my dilemma exactly - he can't but he can but he can't but he can. When (if) he does become notable, I think he'll have to be Sam Wilson (footballer born xx.yy.zz). --Concrete Cowboy 18:48, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

England B

Hi, I'm using this website which seems to be pretty accurate....i'm only updating selected players at the moment. Bigmike 16:43, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Category:Hull City A.F.C. fans

Hi - just had an edit conflict with this one with you, which I've explained at WP:CFD and I hope that it makes sense. I'm now happy for it to be renamed as you suggest. Bencherlite 17:20, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Newport County A.F.C.

You think this article is of low importance. Could you please explain to me why this would be of any lesser importance than Torquay United F.C. (mid-importance), for example? Marky-Son 23:08, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Obviously not at the moment, but certainly in the past, more so than Torquay. Marky-Son 23:18, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

York should definitely be mid-importance. In fact, of the 3 clubs mentioned, Torquay are the only one to have never been in the top 2 divisions. Also, A.F.C. Wimbledon are mid-importance for some bizarre reason. What well-known players or managers have they ever had? They only have this rating due to non-football matters. Marky-Son 16:17, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

YCFC Seasons

I'm changing over to your Rangers idea. Any way we could get a fairly obvious link to 2006-07 season page on the main YCFC article? Me677 09:29, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Template:York_City_F.C./possible ? Me677 09:55, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Have completed this year's fixtures, no doubt with the odd error sneaking in. A little lazy / rushed for time but if you have a moment it may be worth incorporating the seasons template (as above) and some info on the Fulfordgate talk page ... Me677 22:49, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Fernando Torres

Yes yes, Fernando Torres is a player of Liverpool F.C. and Premier League, tomorrow tomorrow,,,, in the liverpool and atletico websites are confirmed, some problem?.Raymond Cruise 19:57, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Then, today Fernando Torres is a free agent, is unattached, no?? in the fernando torres article says that he plays for Atlético Madrid, he does not play already for Atletico. Raymond Cruise 20:03, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

spacing on a ref. Londo06 23:09, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

was editing an older edit, that had him as a Liverpool player. Londo06 23:11, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

why would I need to, when I opened the edit it already had him at Liverpool. Londo06 23:12, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I would say it looks better that way. It is a football (soccer) infobox and the 2001-2007 is the standard, although it does look cluttered. The real issue is with the height; he plays in England, we work in feet and inches, should that not come before his height in m. Londo06 12:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Cheers, also myself previously put the dates in line with wiki-standard football infobox. Londo06 12:26, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I see that you're the one who keeps "correcting" Torres's stats to say that he's scored 84 league goals, when infact it's 82 according to almost every source. I was wondering whether you could justify your number? cheers, aLii 15:26, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Well instantly I can see that Soccerbase has completely the wrong height info, and also incorrect international caps (according to Torres's official site anyway). I personally can't quite remember the various sources that I collated the Career Statistics table from, but it is correct according to most sources. aLii 15:32, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Only way I knew how to get the weight onto the infobox. I understand why all the nicknames were removed from the infobox template I while back, but I reckon the weight is an important piece of information, ie directly relates to how fast someone can run, how easily they are knocked off the ball, etc. CorleoneSerpicoMontana 17:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Norwich Squad Numbers

When are they released

ŞĉŘεÈčḤ 17:06, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Scarborough Athletic F.C.

Hi, I have long been impressed with your contribution to football articles. I should welcome your assistance in keeping out unsourced history of Scarborough F.C. from the Scarborough Athletic F.C. article which User:SalvoCalcio is trying to add. BlueValour 21:15, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the removal of the removal of Scarborough history; its irrelevant, but we need some info on their liquiditation so we know why Athletic was formed, which is already more or less covered in the article. Perhaps it should be brought up at WikiProject Football? Mattythewhite 22:35, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I have put a new 'Background' paragraph in to make the position clearer on the liquidation as you suggested. BlueValour 15:11, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

GA history

Thanks for tidying that up. Pity it's so complex, probably puts a lot of people off. Cheers though. The Rambling Man 17:43, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Soccerbase

I disagree. There's plenty of great sources for Premier League statistics that won't give misleading statistics for Torres's time in Spain. The problem, as I see it, with a Soccerbase link on the page is that it encourages bad "good faith" edits. If a user explores the page, paying particular interest to the statistics, then clicks the link to Soccerbase, they'll think that the Wikipedia article is incorrect and edit accordingly.

By all means, use Soccerbase for Championship players, but it doesn't need to be blindly added to every article. aLii 19:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, I'm sure I've used Soccerbase for the odd player, whose stats were hard to find otherwise. My absolute pet-peeve stats-wise though is "Assist" statistics. There is basically no-where that does good assist stats. The Premier League page is the best, but even then they are hard to find, only apply to the league, and only go back a few years. Ryan Babel is an article I've been devoting time to in the past day. Check out how his stats table looked yesterday. It was nicely sourced (you'd think) and the source actually agrees with the table. So he has 4 assists in 18 Champions League games, but 0 in 72 Dutch League games, and I'm supposed to believe that?! Also he didn't play a single game in the season that he made his debut? That doesn't make sense. He also didn't play a single game in the Dutch Cup the year that he appeared in the final and Ajax won. You've gotta question the stats more often than not it would seem... aLii 20:20, 11 July 2007 (UTC)