User talk:Grand'mere Eugene/Archives/2022/August

Thabit AbdulNour Article and Photo

Hello Grand'mere Eugene, Thanks for looking after my article about Thabit AbdulNour. All corrections are fine except for adding the photo. The photo that was added and I removed is not for Thabit AbdulNour but for his brother Abdulahad AbdulNour which I used in the draft article about Abdulahad AbdulNour. I'm still looking for suitable picture for Thabit AbdulNour to the article about his life. SULNOUR (talk) 13:46, 28 May 2022 (UTC)SULNOUR

Thanks for your note, SULNOUR. I removed the photo again, and look forward to your finding an image of Thabit. Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 14:10, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Apopka High School, Phyllis Wheatley School

Thanks for your help on Apopka High School. I have created the page Phyllis Wheatley School, there is some overlap in sourcing...I thought you might be interested. Thanks again! Jacona (talk) 13:37, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

AfD and bludgeoning

In this process your comments have the appearance of bludgeoning the discussion. You seem to reply to many comments opposed to your assertions and in several comments you're straying into the arena of clerking the discussion, which seems a poor choice considering you've taken more than one position in the discussion yourself. You've added 45% of the content and made 38% of the edits. I'm not saying you're doing anything especially wrong, but in formal processes I'd encourage you to let others assert reasonable positions without unnecessary commentary. We trust closers to do the clerking. BusterD (talk) 12:43, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

BusterD, thanks for your comments and advice. I have, indeed, "taken more than one position in the discussion" as a result of the subject article's revisions, especially the removal of both the promotional content and also the primary sources from diploma mills. I acknowledged the WP:HEY effort as promising, and engaged in discussion aimed at consensus, but the article still fails the GNG requirement for multiple sources providing substantial coverage. I'll try to avoid "unnecessary commentary" in future discussions, especially on clerking responses that astonish me, such as the comment accompanying the second relisting. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 22:42, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for engaging. If I can ever be of service, please feel invited to ask. 11:23, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

I should add: sometimes it's a good idea to let another editor's assertion speak for itself. I have learned that by commenting or removing offending material you might have the effect of making such offenses appear more defensible/acceptable. I appreciate your accepting my feedback in the spirit in which is was intended. Note: I would never try to prevent you from editing BOLDLY. Sometimes an editor needs to call people on their BS. I'd merely suggest you might let other editors hang themselves, if such they decide. BusterD (talk) 21:11, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, yes, I've been meditating on why this AfD got to me, because I think my AfD participation on the whole has been more measured, and I tend to go for WP:HEY on school related topics. But in my 34-year academic career, I had to deal twice with situations involving personnel who claimed bogus degrees — once with a colleague going for a promotion, and another time with a potential new hire who claimed two Ph.D.s (who gets 2 Ph.D.s?) from a European diploma mill. The colleague situation broke my heart, and the almost-hired applicant was a lot of work on a short timeline to prevent his hire. So for me, the whole topic is apparently still raw enough to affect my judgment in allowing "other editors to hang themselves". A single degree article without adequate sourcing is not the end of the world, but an article naming quite a few bogus degree titles was, I think, worth the BOLD effort, even if the AfD closes as keep. Thanks again for contacting me. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 21:36, 6 August 2022 (UTC)