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Your submission at Articles for creation: Tommaso Bai (August 14)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Asparagusus were:

This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject.

This submission reads more like an essay than an encyclopedia article. Submissions should summarise information in secondary, reliable sources and not contain opinions or original research. Please write about the topic from a neutral point of view in an encyclopedic manner.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Formatting is reaallllyy weird. Also, you say a lot of opinions here. This seems like an essay.

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Asparagusus (interaction) 16:45, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weird. There's facts only, based on reading the sources, which are all given. There's no personal opinions (what in particular do you think is an opinion ?) Everything is documented and copiously referenced.

I agree that the formatting is weird, but I did ask for help with that. Grabyrdy (talk) 16:56, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello [[User:Grabyrdy|Grabyrdy]. Where did you ask for help with the formatting? Here is the guideline on reference formatting. Also, some phrases I noticed were "[...]no doubt based on a mock funeral inscription printed in De Viris Illustribus Crevalcorii (1857) [doc available], but that is contradicted by the evidence presented below. Nothing is known of his musical education.", "His calling as a composer appears to have come late in life[...]", "It will be seen that a date of birth of c. 1650 cannot be correct[...]", "[...]which would be much more likely[...]", and "[...]although, curiously,[...]". These are phrases that are usually used in essays. Have you read the your first article help page? Asparagusus (interaction) 17:08, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

1. request for formatting is in the note with the submission at the bottom of the page

2. that's the only evidence for the date of 1650, (I'll send it for inclusion if you tell me how) so it must come from that

3. The evidence for an earlier date is presented in detail and referenced below, as I said

4. If nothing is know of his musical education, that's because there isn't any evidence. I haven't tried to invent something

5. Fancy way to say that 1 - there's no evidence of earlier compositions and 2 - all the manuscripts are very late

6. 1650 can't be correct because a very official piece of evidence shows that

7. It's more likely because it fits with that very official document which is cited in full.

8. Curiously because the official evidence clearly says something else. I'm just reporting that some people thought something else. The present article on Bai also points out the discrepancy, wirhout identifying its source.

Incidentally the present article also says that : "He also advanced to become a personal singer of the pope.". Where's the evidence for that ? (apart from the fact that there was no such thing !). It calls him a Kapellmeister. In the Vatican ??? Also, the date of composition of the Miserere is wrong. In fact, everything written about the Miserere, reproduced from Eitner (1905 !!) is a mish-mash of misunderstanding, as is the list of works. This is kinda why I thought Bai deserved something better.

Style : "In 1713 he got to be Kapellmeister". Is that the kind of writing you're looking for ?

There's not a single personal opinion expressed anywhere in what I've written, just a reading of the evidence. Struggling to understand what's wrong with that. Grabyrdy (talk) 17:36, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That may be what the references say, but the ways you're stating that aren't completely objective. See WP:NPOV. Asparagusus (interaction) 18:14, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what you mean. How would you suggest I phrase what the evidence shows ? Grabyrdy (talk) 19:26, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'd recommend going to the Teahouse so they can help you with that. Did you read WP:NPOV? Asparagusus (interaction) 20:01, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I just realized that your draft is a duplicate of the one in mainspace. I recommend editing the article there instead of having to move it. Asparagusus (interaction) 20:03, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Grabyrdy! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Asparagusus (interaction) 16:45, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Concern regarding Draft:Tommaso Bai

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 20:07, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Judging by the inane comments I had last time, I'm afraid I've lost confidence that my contribution will be taken seriously. Life's too short etc. Do what you like with it. Grabyrdy (talk) 16:48, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Tommaso Bai

Hello, Grabyrdy. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Tommaso Bai".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:55, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]