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Re: Bosnian Muslims in the NDH

Yes, I agree treat 1940s Bosnian Muslims as just "Croats" would be subscribing to the extremist ideology of the time and anachronistic and devoid of basic scientific rigor today. Certainly it doesn't hurt to also repeat that such references to "Croatia" during WWII should be replaced with "Independent State of Croatia", because the nature and scope of that political entity are substantially different from both Croatia in the centuries prior and in the decades after. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 10:10, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for jumping in, I am clicking around from page to page on en.wiki and I just ended up on Joy's talk page and saw your question. :-) Hope you not mind about me also writing my opinion. Such people were indeed viewed as Croats in the NDH and many have unironically described themself as such, yes – but I totally agree with you that it is just one POV. Maybe it is indeed more accurate and more compatible with WP:NPOV to describe such people as "ethnic Muslim (their profession) in the I. S. of Croatia"?
Example: "Name Surname (1. January 1880 – 31 December 1945) was an ethnic Muslim lawyer, author and politican in the Independent State of Croatia." (Basically "ethnic Muslim", or "Bosnian Muslim", instead of "Croatian".)
What do you think about this? :-) Best regards, Koreanovsky (talk) 19:41, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
This is fine too. We also often employ this location form in different cases, where e.g. there's a sportsperson who competed for the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 20:51, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
@Koreanovsky:, @Joy: Yes. I also think that such a wording would be the best solution. It is also consistent with WP:ETHNICITY: "ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead sentence unless relevant to the subject's notability. In the case of the NDH politicians and officials, ethnicity is very often an important factor for their notability. In addition, in this way, additional entanglements around nationality disputes would be avoided and it would contribute to the stability of the articles. Governor Sheng (talk) 22:20, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
@Governor Sheng:, @Joy: I personally would go so far to say that "ethnic Muslim" is better than "Bosnian Muslim". Not all of them were from Bosnia-Herzegovina, some were maybe from modern-day Serbia or Montenegro and as said, some unironically claimed to be Croats, such as Džafer Kulenović. I know that the term "Bosnian" does not say anything about the actual nationality, but I think "ethnic Muslim" is better because it does not refer directly to a geographic location. :-) Stay awesome, Koreanovsky (talk) 00:01, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
The regional origin of some of them notwithstanding, the generally used term is "Bosnian Muslim", this is a widely-used scholarly term. I think we should avoid our own conclusions since that would be against WP:OR. Plus the so-called "Muslims with capital M" relates more to the 1960s Yugoslav politics, rather than a previously existing ethnic group. Governor Sheng (talk) 00:08, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
Good morning! :-) Sheng, do you know if there is any manual of style or guideline for the former Yugoslavia on en.wiki, as they have it on de.wiki? Best regards, Koreanovsky (talk) 06:18, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
I don't think so, but I think it would be really useful to have written (e.g. "Yugoslav" vs. "Yugoslavian", usage of "Macedonia" for its predecessor, how and when to refer to the 1992–2003 FR Yugoslavia as "Yugoslavia" vs. "Serbia and Montenegro", etc). This above could be covered there too, as with any other issues that come up. -Vipz (talk) 09:31, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
That I do not know. What is the MOS at the German Wiki? Governor Sheng (talk) 12:35, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
@Vipz:, @Governor Sheng: I was talking about this: de:Wikipedia:Richtlinien Südosteuropa; "Guidelines for South East Europe". There is even a section for "Pavelić-Croats" and how to treat such historical persons in articles. Stay awesome, Koreanovsky (talk) 21:48, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
I have never encountered a similar MOS being employed at the English Wikipedia. I think as for now, it depends on the consensus of editors. Governor Sheng (talk) 18:53, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

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Missing references at Bosnian uprising (1831–1832)

Hello again Governor Sheng. Could you let me know what work "MacCarthy 1994" refers to in Bosnian uprising (1831–1832). It's missing its required cite to complete the short form reference. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 22:57, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Resolved. Governor Sheng (talk) 15:16, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

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Thank you for notifying me. Governor Sheng (talk) 19:50, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
Hey there. It's been a while. I've drafted an RfC to be posted at RSN in my sandbox. It'd be helpful if you gave me some suggestions about it. Aaron Liu (talk) 12:47, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
Hi @Aaron Liu: good to hear from you. I read the draft, I think it's good, it summerises evereything well. I would give it a go. Governor Sheng (talk) 22:06, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
On second thought, how about a simple question, only from the first paragraph, because I doubt other users will be enthusiastic to chek all those sources, and especially so because their in non-English languages. Governor Sheng (talk) 20:02, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
I don't get what you're saying. Which simple question? Isn't the first line already the simple question required by the rfc format? Aaron Liu (talk) 20:18, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
Yes, the first two paragraphs to be more precise, and maybe the question on the sources' reliability can be omitted? Governor Sheng (talk) 20:38, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
Isn't the noticeboard's purpose to discuss sources' reliability? Aaron Liu (talk) 23:08, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
Oh, sorry, sorry, I thought you're making a rfc at the West Herzegovina Canton talk page. :) Forget what I said then. I guess I'm still fussy in my head because of the World Cup. :) Governor Sheng (talk) 00:06, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
Ahahaha, it's alright. Aaron Liu (talk) 01:42, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

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Thank you. Governor Sheng (talk) 20:00, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

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Re: Fixing a capital letter in the title

You should be able to use the Help:Move function to do that. I can't verify the name is written with uppercase S because there is no article about the village, though. Can you make the village article first, and reference it to a census or similar, to make this a clear technical move? --Joy [shallot] (talk) 17:34, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Oh, yes. Good idea. Thanks. Governor Sheng (talk) 18:46, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

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Re: Transfermarkt

Thank you for replacing this site, however, your assessment in this edit summary is incorrect. It is specifically Transfermarkt's stats database (ie player/club profiles, match reports, transfer list etc) that is user-edited and therefore unreliable. There have been a few suspected circular reporting incidents over the years, where inaccurate information that likely originated on Wikipedia made its way onto Transfermarkt. It should not be cited under any circumstances. Please do not do so again. Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:28, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I realised that after reading Adimistrators' noticeboard. You are correct. Governor Sheng (talk) 23:33, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

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Thank you for informing me. Governor Sheng (talk) 00:01, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

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Add player

Plz add this goalkeeper he is professional : https://www.sofascore.com/player/sadek-abdellahelhadj/1384990 197.202.162.64 (talk) 12:16, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

I cannot find any sources on him, and as far as I can see, he plays for the U21 team, not the seniors. Governor Sheng (talk) 12:46, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Plz add him

He is win the best goalkeeper in algeria u21 and i have sources for it : https://thebuzzmagazine.ma/sadek-abdellah/ https://www.flashscore.com/player/el-hadj-sadek-abdallah/l6x6QAJ8/ plzzz add him and Thnks 197.200.243.240 (talk) 12:58, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

That may be so, however, the Buzz Magazine looks to be an unreliable source. Perhaphs if you could find sources from reliable sports news platforms like OneFootball (example), I might create an article about El Hadj. I'm all in support of rising starts, however, a person needs to be notable enough. Governor Sheng (talk) 13:14, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

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Hi there - Wikipedia relies on reliable sources to verify information, especially about living people. You didn't provide a source for your changes to the Dragan Skočić article, and I couldn't find one either. If you have a reliable source please let me know and we can change the article. Please let me know if you have any questions. GiantSnowman 07:12, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Greetings GiantSnowman (talk · contribs), I have added two reliable sources and changed the article accordingly. Thank you for your notification. I believe the issue is settled now. Governor Sheng (talk) 14:43, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
Yes, perfect, thank you! GiantSnowman 07:16, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

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Done. Governor Sheng (talk) 23:24, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

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DYK for Lovro Šitović

On 13 March 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Lovro Šitović, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Lovro Šitović, a 17th-century Croatian Franciscan friar who wrote a Latin grammar, was a convert from Islam? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Lovro Šitović. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Lovro Šitović), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:33, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2024 establishments in the United Arab Emirates

A tag has been placed on Category:2024 establishments in the United Arab Emirates indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 03:57, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Baljci, Tomislavgrad

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Baljci, Tomislavgrad you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Relativity -- Relativity (talk) 01:02, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Ivan Ančić

On 27 March 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ivan Ančić, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Ivan Ančić was the first Bosnian Franciscan to use the Latin script to write in his native language? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ivan Ančić. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Ivan Ančić), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

♠PMC♠ (talk) 00:02, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

New Pages Patrol newsletter April 2024

Hello Governor Sheng,

New Page Review queue January to March 2024

Backlog update: The October drive reduced the article backlog from 11,626 to 7,609 and the redirect backlog from 16,985 to 6,431! Congratulations to Schminnte, who led with over 2,300 points.

Following that, New Page Patrol organized another backlog drive for articles in January 2024. The January drive started with 13,650 articles and reduced the backlog to 7,430 articles. Congratulations to JTtheOG, who achieved first place with 1,340 points in this drive.

Looking at the graph, it seems like backlog drives are one of the only things keeping the backlog under control. Another backlog drive is being planned for May. Feel free to participate in the May backlog drive planning discussion.

It's worth noting that both queues are gradually increasing again and are nearing 14,034 articles and 22,540 redirects. We encourage you to keep contributing, even if it's just a single patrol per day. Your support is greatly appreciated!

2023 Awards

Onel5969 won the 2023 cup with 17,761 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 50/day. There was one Platinum Award (10,000+ reviews), 2 Gold Awards (5000+ reviews), 6 Silver (2000+), 8 Bronze (1000+), 30 Iron (360+) and 70 more for the 100+ barnstar. Hey man im josh led on redirect reviews by clearing 36,175 of them. For the full details, see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone for their efforts in reviewing!

WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team and volunteer software developers deployed the rewritten NewPagesFeed in October, and then gave the NewPagesFeed a slight visual facelift in November. This concludes most major work to Special:NewPagesFeed, and most major work by the WMF Moderator Tools team, who wrapped up their major work on PageTriage in October. The WMF Moderator Tools team and volunteer software developers will continue small work on PageTriage as time permits.

Recruitment: A couple of the coordinators have been inviting editors to become reviewers, via mass-messages to their talk pages. If you know someone who you'd think would make a good reviewer, then a personal invitation to them would be great. Additionally, if there are Wikiprojects that you are active on, then you can add a post there asking participants to join NPP. Please be careful not to double invite folks that have already been invited.

Reviewing tip: Reviewers who prefer to patrol new pages within their most familiar subjects can use the regularly updated NPP Browser tool.

Reminders:

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:27, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Baljci, Tomislavgrad

The article Baljci, Tomislavgrad you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Baljci, Tomislavgrad and Talk:Baljci, Tomislavgrad/GA1 for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Relativity -- Relativity (talk) 20:01, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Baljci, Tomislavgrad

The article Baljci, Tomislavgrad you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:Baljci, Tomislavgrad for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Relativity -- Relativity (talk) 01:32, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

New page patrol May 2024 Backlog drive

New Page Patrol | May 2024 Articles Backlog Drive
  • On 1 May 2024, a one-month backlog drive for New Page Patrol will begin.
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Lovro Šitović

Category:People with acquired Bosnia and Herzegovina citizenship has been nominated for merging

Category:People with acquired Bosnia and Herzegovina citizenship has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:44, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Croat Greek Catholic clergy from Bosnia and Herzegovina has been nominated for deletion

Category:Croat Greek Catholic clergy from Bosnia and Herzegovina has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. ౪ Santa ౪99° 16:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Croat Christian clergy from Bosnia and Herzegovina has been nominated for deletion

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Category:Croat Roman Catholic clergy from Bosnia and Herzegovina has been nominated for deletion

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Category:Sofascore template using numeric ID has been nominated for deletion

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New pages patrol September 2024 Backlog drive

New pages patrol | September 2024 Backlog Drive
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Category:1947 in Islam has been nominated for deletion

Category:1947 in Islam has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:29, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

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