User talk:Bruno Rene Vargas/Archives/2021/May
The article Thirst (upcoming film) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Non notable future film, fails WP:NFF as production isn't notable. Should be deleted or moved to draftspace until released and then notability can be established.
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The article The Exchange (upcoming film) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Non notable future film, fails WP:NFF as production wasn't notable. Should be deleted or sent to draftspace until release, upon which notability can be determined at that time.
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True Love (upcoming film)
[edit]I noticed that you started a draft for Draft:True Love (upcoming film), when I already started a draft for the same film at Draft:Untitled Gareth Edwards film. I will personally move my draft to its current title and redirect yours, to preserve the edit history of the original draft. If there is any confusion on your end, please reply to this message and we can discuss it further. Cardei012597 (talk) 04:44, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Cardei012597: there is no problem. And I take this opportunity to thank you for the discussion pages of my drafts that you always take care of creating. Greetings. Bruno Vargas Eñe'ẽ avec moi 04:58, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
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Nomination of Candy Land (upcoming film) for deletion
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BOVINEBOY2008 19:19, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
Nomination of Grey Elephant for deletion
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BOVINEBOY2008 00:54, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
Missing sources
[edit]Hey, I'm noticing a lot of articles you are creating/moving to mainspace have only a single article source. The Variety production update website is not necessarily an indication of notability as it seems to be just a database of information. Also, it appears that you are pulling cast and character names from IMDb, which is not okay. Please do not add content without proper sourcing. BOVINEBOY2008 00:57, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- I strike part of my concern, I see now that you are probably pulling from the Variety page as well. BOVINEBOY2008 01:00, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Bovineboy2008: you may be right about the Variety Insight links, but keep in mind that it is not just a database like IMDb because shoot start and end dates are specified and sometimes they have a brief introduction explaining the books or novels on which they are based, in addition to the fact that unlike IMDb or Wikipedia it cannot be edited by any Internet user.
Regarding your accusation that I use names extracted from IMDb is totally false, since you told me two months ago that names and characters extracted from IMDb should not be used, I no longer do it, I get them from Variety Insight that how already I told you it cannot be modified by anyone, only by paid people who work in that company.Bruno Vargas Eñe'ẽ avec moi 01:09, 9 May 2021 (UTC)- My concern is that being listed there is not an indication of Notability. You are creating many articles that (in my view) do not have significant coverage as indicated by WP:GNG. Yes, the film title is mentioned by two websites, but I don't believe Variety Insight's listing should count towards that. A lot of times, I can find other sources out there which you should try to include, but sometimes not. Can you please try to keep articles in draft space not just until the date the filming is supposed to have begun has past, but once the topic has significant coverage. BOVINEBOY2008 01:14, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Bovineboy2008: you're right, I have no problem following your recommendation as I have previously done. I will wait for the films in question to have more coverage and notability before moving them. Greetings Bruno Vargas Eñe'ẽ avec moi 01:18, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- Cheers! If you need help finding sources, I can help. Just drop a line. BOVINEBOY2008 01:20, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Bovineboy2008: you're right, I have no problem following your recommendation as I have previously done. I will wait for the films in question to have more coverage and notability before moving them. Greetings Bruno Vargas Eñe'ẽ avec moi 01:18, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- My concern is that being listed there is not an indication of Notability. You are creating many articles that (in my view) do not have significant coverage as indicated by WP:GNG. Yes, the film title is mentioned by two websites, but I don't believe Variety Insight's listing should count towards that. A lot of times, I can find other sources out there which you should try to include, but sometimes not. Can you please try to keep articles in draft space not just until the date the filming is supposed to have begun has past, but once the topic has significant coverage. BOVINEBOY2008 01:14, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Bovineboy2008: you may be right about the Variety Insight links, but keep in mind that it is not just a database like IMDb because shoot start and end dates are specified and sometimes they have a brief introduction explaining the books or novels on which they are based, in addition to the fact that unlike IMDb or Wikipedia it cannot be edited by any Internet user.
Nomination of State of Consciousness for deletion
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Kolma8 (talk) 16:28, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Nomination of Borrego (film) for deletion
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Kolma8 (talk) 16:28, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Nomination of Archive 81 for deletion
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Kolma8 (talk) 16:28, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
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Kolma8 (talk) 16:29, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
The article Afterlife of the Party has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Fails WP:NFF, nothing found to pass GNG. Per NFF, "... films that have already begun shooting, but have not yet been publicly released (theatres or video), should generally not have their own articles unless the production itself is notable per the notability guidelines."
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Nomination of OSS 117: Alerte Rouge en Afrique Noire for deletion
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Kolma8 (talk) 16:31, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
The article She Is Love (film) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Fails WP:NFF, nothing found to pass GNG. Per NFF, "... films that have already begun shooting, but have not yet been publicly released (theatres or video), should generally not have their own articles unless the production itself is notable per the notability guidelines."
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The article Those Who Walk Away (film) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Fails WP:NFF, nothing found to pass GNG. Last updates about the movie is from last year. Per NFF, "... films that have already begun shooting, but have not yet been publicly released (theatres or video), should generally not have their own articles unless the production itself is notable per the notability guidelines."
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Upcoming Films
[edit]Dear Bruno Rene Vargas, please take a second to read through WP:NFF, which deals with notability of future films, incomplete films, and undistributed films. I noticed that you have created many articles for upcoming films. Kindly ask you to note that per NFF, "films that have already begun shooting, but have not yet been publicly released (theatres or video), should generally not have their own articles unless the production itself is notable per the notability guidelines." Thank you! Kolma8 (talk) 16:38, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Nomination of Two (upcoming film) for deletion
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Kolma8 (talk) 16:42, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
The article Inexorable (film) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Fails WP:NFF, nothing found to pass GNG. Per NFF, "... films that have already begun shooting, but have not yet been publicly released (theatres or video), should generally not have their own articles unless the production itself is notable per the notability guidelines."
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Nomination of Obsidian (film) for deletion
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Kolma8 (talk) 16:43, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Nomination of Alegría (upcoming film) for deletion
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Nomination of Vesper Seeds for deletion
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The article Presences has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Fails WP:NFF, nothing found to pass GNG. Per NFF, "... films that have already begun shooting, but have not yet been publicly released (theatres or video), should generally not have their own articles unless the production itself is notable per the notability guidelines."
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Nomination of 8-Bit Christmas for deletion
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Disambiguation link notification for May 16
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Nomination of Afterlife of the Party for deletion
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Kolma8 (talk) 06:56, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
Nomination of Hatching (film) for deletion
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Nomination of Spencer (film) for deletion
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Kolma8 (talk) 07:07, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
Assume good faith
[edit]Make sure to assume WP:GOODFAITH when it comes to AfD and other deletion nominations. In most cases it's not a case of retribution or dislike. Now while I have noticed that several of your articles have been nominated, I have also noticed that many of them have issues with coverage and notability. Many of them fall within the WP:TOOSOON zone where they have only a brief amount of coverage that spans a small point in time.
Films can be fairly difficult to write about on Wikipedia, to be honest. Proving that a production is notable enough to warrant an article is hard, as this often requires a lot of coverage that not only covers an extended period of time but also goes into some depth. This coverage must also be in multiple outlets and in places Wikipedia would see as reliable. The vast majority of films won't have this coverage, particularly anything that would be considered "niche" such indies, horror, and so on. There are only so many outlets that will cover films in general and far, far more films to be covered.
This is one of my favorite areas to edit/create in and as such, I can understand the frustration of the sourcing limitations. I've had multiple occasions where I've wanted to create an article on something, only to find that there's just not enough coverage - or had someone tell me that there weren't enough sources for an article on which I was working. It is never meant to be personal, just that the article needed more sourcing. It's why I tend to leave articles in my userspace until the coverage is heavy enough. For the majority this will mean that they only have an article after it's released and has received reviews.
As far as someone following your edits, don't assume that it's a case of retribution. It may be that they noticed an article of yours that lacked enough sourcing to pass NFF/NFILM and looked at your other articles, then noticed similar articles. That doesn't mean that they're hounding you per se. I personally think that it's better to reach out to the article creator to let them know what needs to be fixed before nominating, but that's not an absolute rule. If in question, it's best to reach out to the editor on their talk page to discuss the deletion. Don't assume that this is an attack or retribution against you. This can sometimes have a bit of a backlash and can also put people on guard when coming into articles. Now if you do have evidence that the person is hounding you and that they're not responding to civil discussions, you should bring this up to WP:ANI. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 15:41, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
These two drafts talk about the same upcoming film. --TonyStank (talk) 18:25, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Note to the table: Similarity of text is italicized with bold
| Draft:Transformers (upcoming film) | Draft:Untitled Bumblebee sequel | |
|---|---|---|
| Directed by | Steven Caple Jr. | Steven Caple Jr. |
| Screenplay by | Joby Harold Darnell Metayer Josh Peters |
Joby Harold |
| Based on | Transformers by Hasbro |
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| Starring | Anthony Ramos Dominique Fishback |
Anthony Ramos |
| Production companies | Entertainment One New Republic Pictures Skydance Media |
Hasbro Entertainment One |
| Development and casting | In January 2020, Paramount was reportedly working on two different Transformers films, one headed by Murder Mystery writer James Vanderbilt and another written by Army of the Dead scribe Joby Harold. On November 16, 2020, Steven Caple Jr. was hired to direct Harold's script. On January 17, 2021, Patrick Tatopoulos was hired as the production designer. In April 2021, Anthony Ramos was cast for the lead role in the film. Later that month, Dominique Fishback was cast opposite Ramos. It was also revealed that Darnell Metayer and Josh Peters had been hired to rewrite Harold’s screenplay. |
By January 2020, it was officially announced that a sequel to Bumblebee was in development with a script written by Joby Harold. Later in November of the same year, Steven Caple Jr. was hired to serve as director on the project. In April 2021, Anthony Ramos was cast in one of the lead roles for the film. The project will be a joint-venture production between Hasbro, eOne, and Paramount Pictures. |
Retirement
[edit]I'm sorry that you feel like you need to leave. I wish you wouldn't go - I like that you feel passionately about film and want to contribute. You have some rough spots that need to be worked on. This is something that all of us on Wikipedia have gone through at one point or another, as Wikipedians are grown, not born. I too went through some rough spots where I felt extremely frustrated. Shucks, I still go through this as there is always something new to learn on Wikipedia. Sometimes I've admitted that what I was doing didn't fall within Wikipedia guidelines and sometimes I haven't. In the times that I haven't, I've tried to improve and in some cases, tried to make a valid argument towards improving policy at the applicable WikiProject or policy page. Admittedly the process of improving or changing parts of policy is very difficult but I do seem to learn something new at each discussion.
My point is basically that Wikipedia is a learning process that can in turn be fun, tedious, or outright unpleasant depending on the situation. All I can recommend in the times where it's very frustrating and seems unpleasant is to try to keep a cool head and learn what you can from the situation. It may be necessary to back away and work in different areas, taking some time to lick your wounds and get more familiar with the entire process. Something I can recommend personally is improving existing articles and if you are fluent in another language (or fluent in Google Translate), work on translating articles to or from other language Wikipedias. If you want, I also have a list of films that need articles but haven't gotten around to making. I tend to gravitate more towards horror films, but this seems like it's an area of interest to you as well. Basically, if it's in that list and has sourcing under it, it's a notable film. Not all of them are American films either - many are from other countries and/or are fairly indie. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 20:25, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Category:Films with screenplays selected in The Black List has been nominated for deletion
[edit]Category:Films with screenplays selected in The Black List has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 02:21, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
Category:Television series with screenplays selected in The Black List has been nominated for deletion
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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2022 directorial debut films
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