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Thanks, Yvan Part (talk) 11:21, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Han E (Gējì) (September 27)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by SafariScribe was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 21:53, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, BrocadeRiverPoems! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 21:53, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I'm not disappointed at all. I didn't make the article, I just tried to fix it. I cannot, however, find anything substantial about the person the article is about. I was originally going to suggest the article be deleted, but it was moved to draftspace before I could propose it should be deleted. There is no real significant coverage of the person's life, worse yet is that the secondary sources that discuss the person indicate that they're either highly exaggerated at best or completely fictional at worst. Brocade River Poems (She/They) 21:57, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thanks for all your efforts (and patience!) in cleaning up the article Geji. John B123 (talk) 22:13, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kindly requesting you self-revert

Hi, and hope you're doing well. May I kindly ask you please revert your tagging of socks at Special:Diff/1248123590 and Special:Diff/1248123963? From the first bullet point under Wikipedia:Dealing with sockpuppets#What NOT to do: Do not place tags on their talk or user pages. There are a number of different tags that can be used, and often there are reasons why tags shouldn't be used. Thank you! Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 14:40, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, okay. I had seen it done elsewhere and assumed it was just a typical thing to do. Done and done. Brocade River Poems (She/They) 20:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That said, I am slightly confused because WP:SOCKTAG said Tag the sockmaster's user page – Unless otherwise directed, the sockmaster needs to be tagged, if it has not already been done. and Appropriately tag the sock puppet's user page – Unless otherwise directed to, the sock puppet needs to be tagged, if it has not already been done. which gives the impression that they need to be tagged? Brocade River Poems (She/They) 20:39, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. (My understanding is that SOCKTAG is for Checkusers.) Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 23:04, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oooh, okay. Thanks! Brocade River Poems (She/They) 23:39, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Han E (Gējì) (September 28)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Ktkvtsh was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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Ktkvtsh (talk) 22:49, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ktkvtsh I am slightly confused by this as I had asked the last reviewer if the fact that she had an entry in the Biographical Dictionary of Chinese women (which I included in the recent draft), meet the notability requirement, and the last reviewer said yes, it would per WP:ANYBIO Special:Diff/1248224834. I wouldn't have submitted it again if not for the fact that I had been told it met notability? Brocade River Poems (She/They) 23:43, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sentence "Little is known about the life of Han E" is what makes me decline your draft. I recommend removing that and resubmitting. Ktkvtsh (talk) 13:36, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very well, I only included it because it was what the sources say. For instance, the Biographical Dictionary says Although little is known about her, as a talented singer whose singing had such a tremendous effect on her audience Han'e occupies an important place in the history of Chinese women. The phrase "reverberating around the beams for three days" (rao liang san ri), which is frequently used to praise someone's singing, is a direct reference to her.. Brocade River Poems (She/They) 04:08, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Understood. If you disagree with me, you can resubmit and another reviewer will take a look. Ktkvtsh (talk) 14:05, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I don't disagree. I changed the wording. I was just explaining why I had used it in the first place. The subject is a confusing thing for me because I teeter back and forth between whether or not it needs an article. The subject is recorded, but only seemingly in a Taoist manuscript. They seemingly meet WP:ANYBIO by being in the Biographical Dictionary of Chinese Women, but there really is little record of their historical life beyond what seems to be a folktale recorded in the Taoist manuscript. However, Han'e ends up being mentioned later on by others, with talented singers being compared to Han'e or being called Han'e reincarnated, she is credited with creating an entire style of singing that became popular in the State of Qi in the Taoist Manuscript, but Mencius attributes the style to someone else, and there's an entire popular idiom in Chinese that is a reference to her. That said, almost all of the sources relating to Han'e admits that the stories about her are exagerrated at best or just folklore and fictive at worst. Even the name "Han'e" might not even be her actual name but rather a title because I have seen it translated as "Beauty of Han" and she is from the State of Han. At this point I have exhausted my ability to find any more sources that describe her, so if it doesn't pass muster this time than my first instinct that the article should have been deleted is probably correct. Brocade River Poems (She/They) 03:19, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]