I was pleasantly surprised to see you slash through red tape and lift that ancient block, which was a refreshing change of pace after your stonewalling of a similar request some time ago; HOWEVER, I believe in doing so you might've overlooked a relevant bit of information.
It is, of course, entirely possible that the connection was made in error (Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Alexcas11/Archive doesn't even mention "RoyalRumble24" as far as I can tell), but I think we can both agree that this isn't something to just ignore. If you disagree, please make a statement to that effect for the record.
This is what I get for trying to AGF and look for a simple solution. I think I'm still inclined to just wait and see given the amount of time involved. The unblock doesn't really change anything as they apparently can't access that account, so if they don't immediately go back to creating hoaxes there's no issue, and if they do... banhammer. Just Step Sidewaysfrom this world ..... today17:28, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As the instigator of that thread I kind of feel the same way. +1 for them trying to be transparent though, when they could have just not mentioned all the extra socks. — ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 23:18, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is that effectively allowing a banned LTA back on the site isn't a call that a single admin can make. By simply unblocking, we're setting the editor up for failure.
Think about it: the best case scenario is that the user becomes a productive contributor, at some point gets into a dispute with someone over something (which is quite literally unavoidable), that someone decides to use the fact that the user is still technically banned to get the upper hand, and all hell breaks loose (with you at the center of it probably).
Instead of leaving the siteban situation effectively unresolved, we should follow the normal procedure: start with a CU check on TheAmazingCoffeeMan (I'm sure @NinjaRobotPirate: wouldn't mind lending a hand) to make sure the banned LTA doesn't have twenty other accounts operating already (AGF but verify), ask them about those other accounts they didn't mention, and then have a proper AN discussion.
Personally, I too would support letting them return based on the length of time that has passed since their vandalizing rampage alone, but it's in everyone's best interest to do it the proper way. 78.28.44.127 (talk) 02:10, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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I'll take a portion of that DFO. I've seen some questionable blocks but not so questionable or so often that I felt a need to stick my nose in. A more open culture among admins, challenging the decisions without challenging the admins, would go a long way to fending off any unnecessary escalation. To those who have felt able to tactfully step in to situations such as this before they have blown up, more power to you. Cabayi (talk) 12:31, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I have not received any response for 11 days on this page. Is this normal? How can this be explained, and what should I do? Kind regards JMGuyon (talk) 00:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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And you think he's not able to see what's going on and decide for himself, and needs you to give advice (masquerading as a question), because ...? Floquenbeam (talk) 23:48, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nevermind. I'm just disappointed in almost everyone around here these days; I'm not sure why I thought that wouldn't be true of you too. Consider it a rhetorical question. Floquenbeam (talk) 23:50, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll cop to it being a suggestion inside of a question. I'm not sure Graham has been honest with himself, based on comments I have seen him making, and this was an attempt to nudge him in that direction, not to kick him when he's down, but I can see how it could come off that way. Just Step Sidewaysfrom this world ..... today00:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, that was an utterly pointless and mean "question". If you want to say he should withdraw, just tell him he should elsewhere in the discussion or on his Talk—you're not earnestly asking if he's considered it. ꧁Zanahary꧂02:57, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Hello, Just Step Sideways, and hello@Star Mississippi (who had kindly relisted the page)
Can I ask you to kindly undo your close of that AfD about film, please? There's not even one Delete !vote on that page.....and the nominator has asked for sources... that were provided (at AfD and on the page; it was vastly improved....(by me, fwiw)). Nor the nominator nor @Dclemens1971, who had !voted Redirect (which had been the outcome of a first close, see TP where I asked Star Mississippi to relist it), have responded to new sources (added twice), true but that should not be considered a reason for deletion. At the very very least please consider a relist. Whatever your reading of the page is, it is absolutely impossible to consider there is a consensus to delete at all. Your closing statement does not indicate any reason for your decision, so I am assuming it is a mistake. Thank you in advance. -Mushy Yank. 00:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are correct, I didn't mean to close that AFD at all. I was very confused for a minute there because an AFD I thought I had closed was still open and I couldn't figure out why. I clicked on the wrong one, I guess from scrolling too fast. I'll fix it now. Just Step Sidewaysfrom this world ..... today00:56, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Beeblebrox is a name I vaguely recall, and respect, though I don't think our areas of WP interest overlap much. Why have you changed it? Maproom (talk) 09:46, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I had been contemplating it for some time. When I first registered this account, people, including myself, were generally unaware of best practices for online security. So we did things like name our account after one pet and use the other one's name as the password. Sadly, my cat Zaphod Beeblebrox passsed on some time ago. And I've been a longtime fan, due to my wife, of The Fall and since the death of Mark E. Smith I'de been contemplating a new username based on a fall song, so I went twith one of my favorites. [3]Just Step Sidewaysfrom this world ..... today01:09, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your explanation! I once observed an editor who changed his username as part of the process of standing for some official WP role. I'm reassured to know that you're not up to any such thing. Maproom (talk) 11:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for standing for arbitrator. I am far away from it all (travel, mourning), not in the mood, so just an informal question you can answer or ignore:
I don't think that thread is ready for closure. Maybe the immediate issue has been dealt with, but (per my comment a short while ago) it's a sign of a broader problem that really needs to be dealt with—the conflict's been dragging on for years, and if it isn't addressed, someday it's going to result in a block or desysop, which is the worst possible outcome for everyone. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 22:03, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I guess I think, given the various mitigating factors, that nothing concrete was going to come of this. The egregious personal attack and the confusion/lack of information regarding the supressed content make it extremely unlikely. Technically, no discussion should be had, ever, on-wiki regarding supressed content. Just Step Sidewaysfrom this world ..... today22:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps that's true for the wheel-warring/suppression, but the point I was trying to make in my comment was that the problem goes well beyond the most recent incident—and I think that point deserves engagement rather than a closure 20 minutes later. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 22:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see the diffs you posted, but even without them, it is obvious to anyone who just read that single thread that these two don't get along and have not for some time. Absent any sort of explicit proposal I'm afraid I really don't see the point. Just Step Sidewaysfrom this world ..... today22:51, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I thought about leaving Tercer a first-and-only NPA warning for the message they left shortly before you closed that although if I were an admin, it would have been enough for me to block them. You're obviously right that a discussion needs to happen but I can't imagine it going anywhere as long one editor feels comfortable telling another "you don't know anything" and whatever else. Thoughts? City of Silver21:04, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Regarding the deletion of Timeline of UFOs, shortly after the AfD was initiated it was moved from Timeline of Ufology (see here). The latter article has not been deleted, and even retains the original AfD notice. Probably a 'feature' of the Wikipedia deletion software, but it and its Talk page also need to be deleted. Thanks. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 02:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I hope you are right. Apart from being quite funny, it means Wikipedia gets a free RFP testing service and everyone gets to watch if they can figure out how to find a method that works. Sean.hoyland (talk) 09:42, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why delete? There's a clear consensus that it exists, just not that it's notable. That's the perfect sort of situation for a redirect or merge. The only argument against a redirect or merge--it's not mentioned at the target--is a very surmountable problem. ATDs, by policy, should be prioritized over deletion, even when there's a strong consensus against retaining an article in its current form. Jclemens (talk) 02:49, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I feel like I tried to explain this when making the close. Despite the differing perspectives on what it meant, I did see a consensus that it was not notable and there were no sources. I do not believe that ATD mandates that we must do a redirect in such circumstances. There's not really anything we can say without a single reliable source. The lack of reliable sourcing strongly suggests this is MADEUP, or at best almost totally unknown even to players otherwise familiar with canasta. Just Step Sidewaysfrom this world ..... today18:14, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to infer that it's made up, then I recommend you do your own BEFORE-like search before making such a supposition the basis for any action. There used to be a strain of thought that would excoriate closers for doing this, but I strongly encourage it: I believe it's the best way to see for yourself whether the !votes are reasonable. As I noted in the AfD, I saw stuff with the "ponytal canasta" name in it all over the Internet: A quick survey of google, gnews, and gbooks shows there are plenty of references to this to verify it exists, even though I see nothing to suggest it is notable. For example, This shows that there are out-of-print scoresheets for this variant that were sold by and reviewed on Amazon as late as mid-2022. Definitely doesn't contribute to notability, but just as definitely shows--especially with all the other NN ghits--that this isn't MADEUP, even if I can't support any argument of notability. Jclemens (talk) 07:15, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and one thing: an entry in an already notable article doesn't need an RS suitable for notability, just one able to satisfy V, which non-controversial SPS'es can do just fine. Jclemens (talk) 07:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey since you are around, can you check if the edits this this ip was trying to make at UAA was a valid report? An user warned them on their talk page, but, like me, the user cannot actually see what the edits were and I have tried reporting some accounts before and being disallowed by a filter because the username was bad.
This is also the IP that made the extensive (unsigned) report that you just removed (so it's probably related to that...). – 2804:F1...1F:8749 (::/32) (talk) 19:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Argh. This person just does not listen to anything anyone tells them, but, to be fair, the initial notice I dropped on their talk page, which they may have finally actually read, said they could just create a new account, and I did say I was ok with an unblock. I'm exasperated, I don't think they are acting in bad faith, it's more like lack of clue and unwillingness to actually read and understand advice. I guess we just leave the old account blocked, you've already advised them that, for what that's worth, that creating a new one was a mistake. Just Step Sidewaysfrom this world ..... today18:20, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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