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Your submission at Articles for creation: Dan Tracey (January 6)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Theroadislong were:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Dan Tracey and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Dan Tracey, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
If you do not make any further changes to your draft, in 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
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Theroadislong (talk) 21:51, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Bdubs1936! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Theroadislong (talk) 21:51, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Dan Tracey (February 24)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Liance was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of music-related topics). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Falls short of criteria for notability at WP:MUSICBIO

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Dan Tracey and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Dan Tracey, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
If you do not make any further changes to your draft, in 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

-Liance^{talk/contribs} 20:57, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Dan Tracey (March 8)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by KylieTastic were:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of music-related topics). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Dan Tracey and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Dan Tracey, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
If you do not make any further changes to your draft, in 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

KylieTastic (talk) 20:13, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Dan Tracey (April 5)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Paul W were:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. For instructions on how to do this, please see Referencing for beginners. Thank you.

The comment the reviewer left was:

No significant coverage in independent reliable sources so no demonstrable notability. Article is poorly written, non-neutral in tone and poorly laid out. Editor should look at published articles on other musicians to see how they use inline citations and format the artist's work.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Dan Tracey and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Dan Tracey, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
If you do not make any further changes to your draft, in 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
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Paul W (talk) 13:13, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Dan Tracey (June 21)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Bonadea were:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of music-related topics). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. For instructions on how to do this, please see Referencing for beginners. Thank you.

The comment the reviewer left was:

In addition (the reviewer script only allows two reasons), the language is very promotional, and so the draft needs to be rewritten in a neutral tone.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Dan Tracey and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Dan Tracey, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
If you do not make any further changes to your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

bonadea contributions talk 11:48, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Notices about your draft shouldn't be removed from the draft page

Hi Bdubs1936, a couple of times when you have edited Draft:Dan Tracey, you have removed templates put there by Articles for Creation reviewers, imcluding pink "decline" notices and additional comments. Please make sure that those templates are not removed – they need to stay on the draft until it has been accepted by a reviewer. Thanks, --bonadea contributions talk 11:57, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bonadea. Thank you! This is the first time I've tried doing this and I feel I need some help. Is there a way for me to reach out to the Wiki community for help? Bdubs1936 (talk) 21:31, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just a note to point out that you are still removing the older notices when you resubmit, which means the reviewer gets a bit extra work. Basically, what you need to do when you edit and reviwe the draft is leave everything above the line -----. (I see that you use the Visual Editor, which I understand is a great interface, but I have never used it so I can't tell you exactly what it looks like in your editing window). I didn't see your reply until now, but to answer your question: there is a help desk for drafts, and a more general help forum (the Teahouse) for newer editors. If you look at the top of this user talk page you'll see a greyish-green box with a text that begins "Hello, Bdubs1936! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing." and you will find links to the help desk and the Teahouse there.

Creating a new article is the hardest thing to do as a new editor, and it's usually a good idea to spend some months editing other articles first. That makes it easier to understand the various policies and guidelines involved. Since you have only been working on this one draft page (with a single edit to another article) I have to ask why you picked Dan Tracey to edit about. Do you have any connection to him? Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 08:49, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I do have a connection to Dan. He ask me if i could help him. I said yes before I knew how hard it would be. Thank ypu for your help! Bdubs1936 (talk) 19:21, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Before you ask for help at one of the help desks (see my post just above), you should look through the reasons given for declining the draft. I know it can look a bit daunting to have all those long templated declines, but a lot of the text in them is the same in each case. The persistent issues with the draft have to do with

demonstrating notability (as Wikipedia defines it)
citing references correctly
writing in a neutral tone
following the Manual of Style in terms of article layout.

To demonstrate notability for a musician, the article should show that the musician meets these criteria, and/or these criteria (for any biography). The claims have to be sourced (in general, each claim should have a source, though a source can of course be used to verify more than one claim – see this info), with reliable and independent and secondary sources. These sources also need to be correctly cited. There is a tutorial here (which also talks about identifying reliable sources), and another guide for new editors here. Having a list of bare URLs at the end of an article doesn't really help Wikipedia's reader to understand where the information in the article comes from. When it comes to writing neutrally, to give an example, here you removed the specific text the reviewer pointed out, but the draft still has a generally promotional tone. Here is the neutral point of view policy. Finally, the Manual of Style is huge and complex and not something that you (or anyone else) could be expected to know by heart, but you should be aware of its existence; here is the MoS start page. The most important thing when it comes to the layout of this draft is to format the references per the guidelines linked above, and the discography – for the latter, you can have a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians/Article_guidelines#Discography_section.

This is a lot of info (which is one reason why creating a new article is the hardest thing to do for a new editor!) but please have a look at the linked policies and guidelines, and use the help desk or the Teahouse to ask for clarifications. (Avoid asking about the same thing in two places at the same time, though.) Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 09:26, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Dan Tracey (August 3)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Theroadislong were:

The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. For instructions on how to do this, please see Referencing for beginners. Thank you.

This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject.

The comment the reviewer left was:

"best known for his gifted writing, wide vocal range, production skills and melody driven pop songs." is clearly not neutral tone

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Dan Tracey and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not make any further changes to your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Theroadislong (talk) 06:44, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Dan Tracey (August 19)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Theroadislong was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Dan Tracey and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Theroadislong (talk) 19:39, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Concern regarding Draft:Dan Tracey

Hello, Bdubs1936. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that Draft:Dan Tracey, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months may be deleted, so if you wish to retain the page, please edit it again or request that it be moved to your userspace.

If the page has already been deleted, you can request it be undeleted so you can continue working on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 16:07, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Dan Tracey

Hello, Bdubs1936. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Dan Tracey".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:53, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]