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If you came here to alert me to DS for post-1932 American Politics (AP2), climate change, BLP, GMO, or anything else included in the WP:Arbitration enforcement log, please be aware that I am PERMANENTLY AWARE - awareness is tatooed on my - so there is no need to post another DS alert.
Point to this notice to CYA.
CHEERS!
Archives for It Will Soon Pass
Do not disturb. I'm in the middle of important research.
Autocorrect has become my worst enema.
On a sign at a restaurant in Texas: Treat your Mom to a Margarita! You're probably the reason she drinks.
Research reveals that people who drink heavily are much more likely to experience retrospective memory loss. Isn't that why we drink?
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Check the Label
Make sure your Viagra prescription says Made In the USA
You don't want Russia meddling in your erections.
The Wisest Man Who Ever Lived
Dr. Rick Rigsby’s commencement address.
I hope you will listen to it before you comment here.
When you're dead, you don't know you're dead.
All the pain is felt by others.
Same thing happens when you're stupid.
People who confuse the words "burro" and "burrow" don't know
their ass from a hole in the ground.
How do I know?
I don’t know how much I don’t know because there’s no way to gage how much I don’t know when I don’t know what it is I don’t know, so stop telling me I should've known.
There has to be some merit to “ignorance is bliss" Atsme✍🏻📧
And there comes a time when you finally realize that you don't know shit. 11:11, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
Snake in the bullpen
"I come from an environment where, if you see a snake, you kill it. At GM, if you see a snake, the first thing you do is go hire a consultant on snakes. Then you get a committee on snakes, and then you discuss it for a couple of years. The most likely course of action is -- nothing. You figure, the snake hasn't bitten anybody yet, so you just let him crawl around on the factory floor. We need to build an environment where the first guy who sees the snake kills it." ~Ross Perot
You look like rookies
"I'm sorry, but you two appear to be:
treating each other civilly
accepting the possibility that your own actions might not have been correct
trying to work out the best thing to do for the project without concern for you[r] own egos.
I don't know where you people think you are, but you definitely don't understand how WP:AN is supposed to work. Where's the disrespect? The attacking of each other's characters and motives? The entertaining temper tantrums? Please immediately review other threads on this noticeboard, so you can better participate in WP:AN. Right now you look like rookies.
I don't do AFD, so I have no opinion on whether to relist or not (couldn't hurt, tho, right?), but that's a good example of what should be going on here; useless babble without any helpful outcome. --barneca (talk) 9:57 pm, 16 September 2008, Tuesday (10 years, 8 months, 12 days ago) (UTC−5)[1]
Carrots may be good for your eyes, but booze will double your vision.
To say it in WikiVoice, or not??
While this list of sources is really good and does establish "commonly used by reliable sources" I think we should additionally ask ourselves - what added benefit is there to Wikipedia saying it "in our own voice" as against simply reporting in a neutral manner that it is common for his comments to be described as racist.
As of this moment, we are engaging in what I think is admirable short-term restraint. We say in the lede "He has a history of making controversial [weasel words] comments." That's fine as far as it goes, because 'controversial comments' is true, and is neither positive nor negative as an evaluation. Sometimes controversial comments are good, sometimes they are bad. Fine.
But we are at the same time here being too cautious, I think, in that we fail to inform the reader as to why the comments are controversial. Is he saying things that might be controversial in Iowa like "Gay marriage should be legal" or "Marijuana prohibition has done more harm than good"? No, actually.
So I think we should cautiously say something like "He has a history of making comments that have commonly been referred to as racist.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9]" Well, maybe 9 footnotes is excessive, but you see my point. We have more than enough to make the point that the reader needs to know, and I think the point is stronger than if we simply say, in our own voice, that he has a history of making racist comments. --Jimbo Wales (talk) 9:57 am, 19 June 2018, Tuesday (19 days ago) (UTC−5)
To include it in a BLP, or not??
BLPs wherein a subject's work, beliefs or ideologies are perhaps more controversial than the actual subject, should not become focused on bolstering and subsequently refuting the subject's views or theories rather than actually defining the subject. In many cases this may in fact be due to the subject trying to push their own ideas, while others work diligently to refute them, but many such cases involve editors who have no affiliation with the subject other than a personal belief/disbelief in their work. A person's biography is not a good place to debate scientific theory or ideological beliefs; such debates belong in the articles that focus on those topics. For BLPs, it is enough to simply state what their views are and link to the articles which expand on those views. (quote by Zaerethedited for brevity; Jimbo Walesagreed with Zaereth’s explanation.)
Politics, presidents and NPOV
I'd like to add that I don't mind a little bit of personal chit-chat here about politics, I'd like to always seek to tie it back to Wikipedia. We have chosen a very tough job: NPOV. Dislike for the President, fear about things that are happening in the world, may make it emotionally harder to remain neutral, but remain neutral we must. I happen to personally think that given the decline in quality of the media across the board (there are still fantastic journalists out there, but overall the landscape isn't great) the best way for us to help the world heal is neutrality.--[2] Jimbo Wales (talk)] 3:12 pm, 8 January 2019, Tuesday (UTC−6)
Writing for the opponent
"Writing for the opponent is an important trait of good editors. They must be able to divorce themselves from their own POV so much that they can bend over backwards to aid in the writing of content which documents views they do not like. They must never block the inclusion of content which opposes their own POV or political positions. If they cannot do this, they should recuse themselves from the topic and edit in other areas. Editors who are unwilling or unable to write for the opponent are incapable of truly understanding or abiding by the NPOV policy. As such they will always cause problems."
(see WP:NPOV means neutral editors, not neutral content)
What Am I Doing Here...
Did you ever stop to consider that being equal may hold you back?
Do you want to make money from Wikipedia? It's easy! Log out and go to work!
For a lesson in the proper English application of the F-word see:this video
Is "group think" the academic version of "mob mentality"?Conformity!
Wikipedia: where anyone can edit and enjoy the benefits of income equality.
If my blood pressure is too low, I drink red wine.
For high blood pressure, I drink scotch.
When I have a cold, I drink schnapps.”
My friend asked, “When do you drink water?”
I replied, “I’ve never been that sick.”
My medical entrance exam:
When I was young, I decided to enroll in medical school.
On the entrance exam, we were asked to unscramble the letters...
PNEIS
...to form the name of an important human body part that is most useful when erect.
The students who answered SPINE are doctors today, and the rest of us are editing Wikipedia.
Four Worms
Four worms were placed in 4 separate test tubes:
1st in beer
2nd in wine
3rd in whiskey
4th in mineral water
The next day, the teacher shows the results:
The 1st worm in beer - dead.
The 2nd in wine - dead.
The 3rd in whiskey - dead.
The 4th in mineral water - alive and in good health.
The teacher asks the class:
What did you learn from this experience?
A student responds:
Whoever drinks beer, wine and whiskey does not have worms.
If only...
...sarcasm burned calories.
...you knew, you would know.
...closed minds came with closed mouths.
...mosquitos sucked fat instead of blood.
...the good died young, we'd be here forever.
...my teeth were as white as my legs.
...more people were fluent in silence.
When A Grizzly Attacks
Hiker to park ranger, "Ranger, how does one survive a bear attack?"
Ranger replies, Easy...remove the "f" from the word "way".
Hiker responds, "There's no "f" in "way".
Ranger replies, "Exactly."
Thought Grenades...
It is much easier to ride a horse in the direction it is going. ~Abraham Lincoln
It gets late early out there. ~Yogi Bera
There comes a time on Wikipedia when it's important to know when to stop arguing with editors, and simply let them be wrong. Atsme📞📧
Nodding the head does not row the boat. — Irish Proverb
Make haste slowly. —Kikkoman
Be who you are, say what you mean, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind. — Bernard Baruch
Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want." —Randy Pausch
I have made this letter longer than usual, because I lack the time to make it short. ~ Blaise Pascal
Knowledge should be fun so don't take the fun out of fundamental.
Patience is a virtue. Give karma a chance.
I may not be young enough to know everything, but I'm old enough to not believe everything.
What border? Oh, that one. Nah...not a problem - open borders.
A tip for longevity: Never believe the impossible can't happen to you.
“It is well known that human choices are affected by the way in which a question is phrased.” ~ Benedetto de Martino
Dear Karma, I have a list of people you missed. Don't sweat it! Karma's only a bitch if you're one first.
Who punched the spike?
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Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as Editor of the Week in recognition of your great contributions! (courtesy of the Wikipedia Editor Retention Project)
It is my immense pleasure to nominate Atsme, a highly prolific veteran editor and one of the best contributors to Wikipedia. She is an editor who totally deserves this award and, in fact, it was very astounding that she has not received it yet. She has created 43 articles and provided 84 Images to enhance WikiPedia. She is a proud member of the WP Response Team, the Guild of Copy Editors and Wikipedia:WikiProject Horse racing. There are countless reasons to nominate her, but the best reason would be: "Writing or significantly expanding articles on a regular basis". A visit to her talk page is filled with humor and enjoyably fun. She has immensely contributed to a wide array of animal species in addition to other articles on monuments (American paddlefish, Faisalabad, bowfin, loham, and the Taj Mahal as well as several others). I would therefore strongly advocate that she be adorned with this award!
You can copy the following text to your user page to display a user box proclaiming your selection as Editor of the Week:
... this is such an honor ... I am humbled over the recognition, and feel blessed with the good fortune of having collaborated with some extraordinary past recipients of this memorable award. Such recognition is very much appreciated - thank you Adityavagarwal, Buster7 and Emir of Wikipedia - but I must admit that I feel a bit guilty over being rewarded for something I truly love doing...uhm, but not guilty enough to not display it on my user page. Atsme📣📧16:34, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well done, Atsme. It's not just your Talk page that's "filled with humor and enjoyably fun". You have a great sense of humor and that's really appreciated. Great article work too, of course! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:48, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Martin and Tryp...without your comedic minds and contributing wit, I would have no humor. Quite frankly, I was taken aback when I first saw the award - I had recently read this Op-ed by Kudz - but then I recognized the names involved here and with a big sigh of relief, I started running a marathon. It was a great way to start the day! In fact, Happy Hour came much earlier than usual as a result, and it's showing promise as an all-nighter. 🥂 🍾 😜 Atsme📣📧22:07, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I am of the crowd that says I would have thought you had received this honor already. Well then, justice is now served as I can think of no one who deserves it more at this time. Congratulations! It is from a handful of editors that include you from which I have improved my editing skills since I got here a bit over two years ago. Very well deserved indeed. dawnleelynn(talk)00:43, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Every week for fuck knows how long you have been a colleague, you have been editor of the week, with your wit, gentle toughness (don't fuck with Atsme) and enormous body of contributions. Lurve your style, lurve you for being you. Honest and gutsy, with your own compass. Oh and being a confident and strong woman, without needing any 'ism' or 'ist' label. You are you. Respect Simon Adler (talk) 05:01, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, Simon! My TP edit banner must be doing its job. I was awestruck reading your words..admittedly with a momentary pause at "enormous body" thinking maybe a punchline was forthcoming. (sidenote: the words on the back of my t-shirt when touring astride the Suzi: "Does this bike make my ass look fast?") Anyway, humor aside, the real me was blushing. I'm delighted that our interactions have always been with mutual respect and admiration. ❤️ Atsme📣📧14:31, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Sturgeon you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Chiswick Chap -- Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:40, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In a spare moment I've blitzed the article to implement a good portion of my comments. Brilliant user/talk pages, btw. It's Easter shortly (happy bunnies, etc) - what is your timetable for this GAN? Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:49, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ahhh...caviar!! Back when I did the field production for "The Paddlefish: An American Treasure" (FF to about 5:04), I worked closely with Missouri Dept. of Conservation biologists, a few game wardens, and 2 USF&WS special agents who had worked undercover in a sting operation to bust a ring of poachers who were illegally using gill nets to catch paddlefish in the Missouri River (they received prison sentences). Paddlefish roe closely resembles the roe of sevruga sturgeon, 2nd only to beluga which sells for about $129/oz. They helped me reenact the bust, and also helped setup the scene to demonstrate how poachers made caviar in a garage or wherever, and then sold the tins fraudulently labeled "Sevruga caviar" into the black market. For the sake of brevity, I'll summarize by saying that after what I witnessed firsthand while shooting the caviar segment, I will never eat caviar again. On a slightly different topic, Virginia Tech contacted me to co-produce an educational outreach program with them about crayfish, "America's Crayfish: Crawling In Troubled Waters". During field production, I survived the smell of the raw sorting/processing segment without issue, but I will never, never eat crayfish tails, sliced, diced or in-tact. The tails do not taste like lobster tails - but that isn't the worst part - whenever I see boiled crawfish, I get flashbacks - not of the vividly colored, beautifully arranged dishes steaming with the savory smells of sweet corn and spicey Cajun food - no, all I can remember is my New Orleans born production assistant sucking the juice out of the heads of boiled crawfish. 🤢🤮 Bon appétit!!! AtsmeTalk📧23:27, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes indeed!! I've spent many a night spearing bullfrogs for dinner but I will not clean them - someone else has to do that part. It's also a bit unnerving when the legs jump out of the frying pan. AtsmeTalk📧00:16, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a little slow tonight NA1K - good thing poaching eggs only takes 3 minutes - maybe by Sunday I'll be hoppin'. I hear that's a good day for it. AtsmeTalk📧01:25, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, MONGO - it's a mere pebble of sand on the vast beach of your FAs and GAs which are an inspiration. My next project is to create a map showing the global distribution for all 27 species per CC's suggestion. That will keep me busy for a while. AtsmeTalk📧00:31, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Update: I haven't done chit as far as creating a global distribution map. I appeal to my diligent TP watchers to HELP. Complexities abound. Are you up to the task? AtsmeTalk📧00:17, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
DYK for Sturgeon
On 18 May 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Sturgeon, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that sturgeons are ancient fishes, widely sought after for caviar and more critically endangered than any other group of animal species? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Sturgeon. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Sturgeon), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
I just added a few to my page that I just came across. How about this: "Wikipedia guidelines are like scripture: somewhere in the labyrinthine network of rules, you can find support for any position." -- MelanieN (talk) 22:23, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
And they are fun no matter what position you're in!
"Wikipedia guidelines are like scripture: somewhere in the labyrinthine network of rules, you can find support for any position." ~Cribbed by MelanieN & properly attributed.
I take no position on positions. (resisting the urge to make the obvious wikilink. 0;-D) And I didn't write that; I cribbed it. Like a good Wikipedian I put the attribution on my user page. -- MelanieN (talk) 02:38, 22 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Especially when such a position requires pillow support. Wear your "oh my!" glasses if you search using those keywords together on Commons. Although the ones with the little kitties were cute. AtsmeTalk📧03:09, 22 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I know you're being patient, WGB. I don't know what the elusive "constitution" is, but Jimmy mentioned it outright, and a couple of editors said we were having a "constitutional crisis". AtsmeTalk📧16:39, 20 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
AQHA Hall of Fame links
Hi Atsme, I hope you're well. I just finished fixing all the broken links caused by the AQHA website redesign. Let me know if I changed anything you would not prefer, and I'll change it back. For example, I just recalled you like to use the Houston, TX type wikilinks instead of Houston, Texas links which I changed on Matlock Rose. I also changed some of the NCHA Hall of Fame links to be more specific as to Rider or Horse, etc. On another note, I've completed the phase of going through the bronc riding book and am going to start a new phase with a new sandbox where I'll be ready for you to be involved...on your own schedule of course. Like you said, that's what is nice about Wiki, no deadline. But as for me, I plan to focus on the bucking horse this week. More later. dawnleelynn(talk)22:23, 24 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Atsme. You have new messages at Talk:The_Wall_Street_Journal. Message added 14:13, 26 June 2019 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
WP:CEN came about as an idea I explored through a request for comment that closed last March. Recen research has re-opened the debate on Wikipedia's role in a changing faster-paced internet. Questions of WP:NOTNEWS and WP:Recentism are still floating around. That being said, there are still plenty of articles to write and hopefully this noticeboard can positively contribute to that critical process.
Thanks, MJL - hope it works out. What I'd really like to see is removal of loopholes and ambiguity in some of our current PAGs, and maybe modify our noticeboards a bit to give them more teeth in upholding policy, such as making comments by uninvolved editors carry the most weight. Another consideration is to elect a team of 5 moderators which may also prove beneficial. It will take some of the pressure off our AE admins who are often forced to act unilaterally to end disruption. I'm of the mind the proposed tweaks and modifications may also help eliminate the rare incidents of admin bias, inadvertent or otherwise, when determining which editor is causing the disruption. It all boils down to one's perspective and ideology, which is why clarity of NPOV is essential - it is a core content policy that should unquestionably take priority in our debates.
While we're encouraged to use biased sources, they shouldn't be used improperly by biased editors who tend to defend their choices as being unbiased. In the dog world, when an owner can't see confirmational faults in their dog, it's called kennel-blind. Per WP:RECENTISM: ...articles should be written from a neutral point of view without editorial bias or article imbalance. There are instances when that isn't happening, and the probable cause is linked to editors either misinterpretating PAGs or purposely attempting to whitewash or create coatracks; the latter of which is supported in numerous dicussions at NPOV/N and BLP/N. We are all aware that social justice/POV warriors are here to promote their agenda, not to build an encyclopedia, and it should be dealt with expeditiously by neutral admins, especially when there's a preponderance of evidence that validates concern. Our job is to get the article right by presenting the material neutrally, dispassionately and accurately, which leaves no room for biased editing. j/s AtsmeTalk📧13:50, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
One of your amazing images is on the main page. I wasn't sure whether you knew that or not so I am stopping by to tell you that you may want to take a look. It is spectacular. I am going to give myself a treat and look for more of your photos to admire today. You deserve all the things that come with being such a great wikimedian. Best Regards, Barbara ✐✉13:22, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Congrats from me too. Amid all the real ugliness that has been going around here in recent weeks, I think this is beautiful. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:24, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The picture is professional quality. It's no wonder it is on the main page. More congrats are definitely in order and rightfully deserved. And it's not a one-off; you have many such photographs. dawnleelynn(talk)16:49, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The voting for 2019 Geology Photo challenge has begun. If you're interested in seeing some pretty cool geological landscapes, rock formations, and the like - wander over there and cast your vote for 3 images. Their voting setup is a bit different from the way we voted for Picture of the Year, but if I can figure it out, I know you can. Happy voting!!! AtsmeTalk📧22:20, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Porygon-Z474
I see you contacted me on my talk page although I cannot find what you wrote. Is there something you needed to talk to me about? Porygon-Z (talk) 21:04, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Awilley, JFG - it looks like ArbCom is going to approve my proposal or their modified version of it. The suggestion made by Fæ makes perfect sense, as JFG acknowledged. Question - when modifying the template that pops up when an editor attempts to add an alert, what is the best way to connect a customized DS Alert Notice at the top of a UTP? I am acknowledging that I am permanently aware of ALL DS per WP:Arbitration enforcement log (basically opting out of receiving further DS Alerts and taking full responsibility if I screw-up)? Also, please see the discussion I had with User_talk:GorillaWarfare#Request. Thank you all for your participation. AtsmeTalk📧14:06, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Staffordshire Bull Terrier you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of FunkMonk -- FunkMonk (talk) 01:40, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Staffie
To be clear I am very supportive of everything you have done to the article and apologise if you feel my last minute suggestions are derailing the GA review. I am also sorry that I have not beeen able to provide more support throughout the process, the recent arrival of a child has somewhat curtailed my wiki activities. Cavalryman V31 (talk) 22:21, 9 July 2019 (UTC).[reply]
- so there is no need to post another DS alert.
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... this is such an honor ... I am humbled over the recognition, and feel blessed with the good fortune of having collaborated with some extraordinary past recipients of this memorable award. Such recognition is very much appreciated - thank you Adityavagarwal, Buster7 and Emir of Wikipedia - but I must admit that I feel a bit guilty over being rewarded for something I truly love doing...uhm, but not guilty enough to not display it on my user page. 
Atsme 📣 📧 16:34, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Chiswick Chap -- Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:40, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
- thank you, Chiswick Chap. Atsme Talk 📧 19:13, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
; see Talk:Sturgeon for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Chiswick Chap -- Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:01, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
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