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Proposed deletion of Skrad (disambiguation)

The article Skrad (disambiguation) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

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Thank you for the link! I had not yet read this policy. I support the deletion of the disambiguation page. The hatnotes are in place. There are only two articles that can (or probably could ever) be included, and, rather ironically, the one that is currently shorter is the more notable. Inatan (talk) 09:24, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Requests to vote in adminship discussions

Hi Inatan. I saw your vote at Ansh666's Request for Adminship and wanted to explain. The notice you saw on your watchlist is shown to everyone on their watchlist, and comes from the page MediaWiki:Watchlist-details. It doesn't necessarily require you to click through and vote, it's just placed there as an information notice, which you can simply dismiss. As you rightly noted, the atmosphere at RfA sometimes isn't great, and we have a problem with relatively low numbers of editors being nominated. The watchlist notice is designed to bring more attention to the process, and allow more editors to share their opinion on who should be given the administrator toolkit. Please feel free to ask if you have any further questions :) Sam Walton (talk) 23:15, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Re: RfA

Hi Inatan! There is no obligation for you to participate in RfA or anything else that you're not comfortable with; it's perfectly fine to ignore the watchlist notices. They were implemented in an attempt to get greater visibility and participation in the process, and show up for all registered editors, so it's not just you. Thanks, ansh666 23:15, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi again, thank you for your comments at my RfA. Your support is much appreciated! ansh666 20:32, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
The pleasure was mine. We may interact with one another again in the future if there is an AfD within my scope of interest! Inatan (talk) 20:38, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Autopatrolled granted

Hi Inatan, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the "autopatrolled" permission to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the autopatrolled right, see Wikipedia:Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! Alex ShihTalk 23:57, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. Inatan (talk) 08:24, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Articles on Croatian settlements

Nice work on new settlement articles!

One hint: you may find it more convenient to cite Croatian Census results like this: [1] - one has to supply only the two numeric parameters from the corresponding DZS URL, plus optionally the access date, and the template does the rest. (Not that there's anything wrong with the existing citations either.)

Keep the articles coming! :-) GregorB (talk) 16:03, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Ha ha! Thank you very much! I will use this from now on. Inatan (talk) 17:37, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
P.S. Do you know approximately what percentage Croatian naselja have articles? I am working on these primarily to cover the area of the castle articles I am writing based on Lopašić's Oko Kupe i Korane, and maybe eventually his Bihać i bihaćka krajina. But in the future, I might perhaps complete a few županije. Inatan (talk) 17:41, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

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AfC notification: Draft:Budački castle has a new comment

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June 2018

Information icon Welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate your contributions, but in one of your recent edits to 433 Eros, it appears that you have added original research, which is against Wikipedia's policies. Original research refers to material—such as facts, allegations, ideas, and personal experiences—for which no reliable, published sources exist; it also encompasses combining published sources in a way to imply something that none of them explicitly say. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. I don't know of any source which calls Eros "sock shaped". Potato-shaped is a description I have seen. Tarl N. (discuss) 12:34, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

For what it's worth, articles calling it potato-shaped: [2], [3], [4], [5] and many others. A search for articles calling it sock-shaped only produces a reference to the Eros-brand of women's socks and hosiery. Tarl N. (discuss) 12:38, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
@Tarl N.:The second comparison was with shoes. Socks themselves are shoe-shaped. 433 Eros doesn't look like a potato. I replaced "potato" with "sock". Thought the edit might help a little, not really caring either way. I have never engaged in edit warring, so an edit summary would have done just fine. No hard feelings. I will assume you have had a lot of negative experience with other editors. Have a nice day! Inatan (talk) 07:08, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
The point is you should never make an edit to Wikipedia which isn't backed up by a reliable source. Personal opinion should never be the basis of an edit. Tarl N. (discuss) 15:11, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
WP:BLUE. Inatan (talk) 18:43, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
P.S. Nice work on List of stars! Inatan (talk) 18:56, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

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Please note that pages are not allowed to be filed in redlinked categories that don't exist to have pages filed in them — you may only file pages in categories that exist. I have had to remove the redlinked category "Lists of Glagolitic inscriptions" from List of Glagolitic inscriptions (16th century) three times in the space of just one week, which is becoming disruptive — so note that there may be escalating consequences, up to possibly the total removal of your ability to edit the page at all anymore, if I continue to see that category returning to the list of redlinked categories any further. Use categories that exist, and only categories that exist. Bearcat (talk) 13:28, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

The reversions were not intentional, I assure you. I had not even realised you removed it because I mostly edit offline and I expected most editors to heed the "under construction" warning. Since you are so eager to assist, would you be so kind as to create that exact category page for me? I am almost ready to publish the remaining lists, and the "search all lists" field requires a category uniting all four lists and no more. If this approach runs counter to the categorisation criteria of the project, please provide an alternate solution in detail here or solve it yourself. I take it this is a stock message? If so, may I recommend you compose a version with note that there may be escalating consequences, up to possibly the total removal of your ability to edit the page at all anymore, if I continue to see that category returning to the list of redlinked categories any further written out, for use as a first warning message for otherwise unproblematic and potentially new editors? It makes you seem short-tempered, which I'm sure you're not. Thank you! Ivan (talk) 14:47, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Lists of Glagolitic inscriptions moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Lists of Glagolitic inscriptions. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it has no sources. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

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I'm confused. It is a list of lists. More than a disambiguation page, but less than an article. It will likely never have sources, except intermittently. See Lists of Glagolitic manuscripts for its manuscript counterpart. For an older precedent, see Lists of New Testament minuscules. These are simply articles that have grown too long for MediaWiki to render efficiently and have had to be split. Sometimes new additions don't fit any of the subsumed lists, and the list of lists page has to be used instead, giving the list of lists itself sources. Could you move it back to mainspace, please? Ivan (talk) 20:59, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

John Mearsheimer bibliography moved to draftspace

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Nomination of John Mearsheimer bibliography for deletion

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Please discuss on talk page before making substantial deletions of reliably sourced content, or provide more specific reasoning in your edit summaries. Ivan (talk) 21:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
The article in question was not marked with the relevant edit notices, nor was your Political views section deletion of content falling within those categories. But you could add b to the current edit notice if you like. Ivan (talk) 21:59, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
The article in question? You're missing the point. You appear most interested in WP:CT/EE topics, though you should be aware that you've encountered at least two others: WP:CT/AP and WP:CT/BLP. Please be extremely careful. --Hipal (talk) 01:54, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Please stop

Please stop adding unreferenced or poorly referenced biographical content, especially if controversial, to articles or any other Wikipedia page. Content of this nature could be regarded as defamatory and is in violation of Wikipedia policy. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia.

Note that adding promotional content, as you are doing, is similarly problematic. BLP requires consensus. --Hipal (talk) 17:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Sir, you have not once initiated a talk page discussion explaining how any of my edits were poorly referenced or how they violated any of the other broad policies you quoted. I have faithfully followed 1RR, and yet your last summary reads rv - this is getting ridiculous - BLP, NOT, POV problems - COI or fan appears likely. How could you assume I am a "fan"? Did you bother to read my annotations for Mearsheimer 1979, 1982a and 1982b? Do they look like the work of a devotee or like an objective summary of scholarly opinion to you, rhetorically speaking? I have already stated multiple times I have no Conflict of Interest. I do not know him. In fact, before I rescued the bibliography section I hardly even knew of him. I was in the middle of making substantial changes to the article. Admittedly, I probably should have put a sign up. But you spent a matter of mere seconds before reverting my section on Iranian nuclear deterrence, well-sourced enough to deserve a talk page discussion at least. One of the sources was the New York Times! He has written about nuclear vs conventional deterrence his entire career, and the article had nothing to do with him beyond opinions he gave in an academic setting. Minutes later, you slap me with a Content of this nature could be regarded as defamatory.
All I wanted initially was to rescue a bibliography, but when you spend two weeks gathering a comprehensive bibliography, you learn more about the subject, and now it feels irresponsible not to improve the article. Incidentally, "not improving the article" is exactly what you have accomplished there. Reversion, reversion, reversion. Very little effort on the talk page. Then out of nowhere, "you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia". Ivan (talk) 17:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
You've been notified that the article is under multiple sanctions. You're not editing with care at all.
BLP requires consensus for inclusion. Independent sources are almost always required to avoid NOT and POV problems. --Hipal (talk) 17:49, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Can you please elaborate. What part of WP:NOT or WP:POV do you believe were violated? Ivan (talk) 17:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Please strike

I'm interested in improving this article. Are you? [6] --Hipal (talk) 02:21, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Removed, per request.
COI or fan appears likely. Can you please engage in the discussion on the article's talk page? It's not a good practice to go silent after double reversion. Nothing I added merited speedy removal by any standards, WP:BLP or otherwise. Everything is covered by policy enough for inclusion, even if revision is needed. And even that is thanks to a very strict interpretation of WP:OR and MOS:EDITORIAL. On the talk page I explained why neither your WP:SOAP nor your WP:PROMO were justified. I can't revise if my every edit is reverted. Surely you can't have read all 4 paragraphs before reverting it within seconds? Ivan (talk) 05:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for striking the material.
You're unlikely to create any consensus if you continue to struggle with focusing on content and policy. --Hipal (talk) 16:04, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Nowhere does WP:FOC add "and policy". Focus on article content during discussions. I have asked you several times now to provide reasoning from clauses or sentences within the policies you have cited, mainly in your edit summaries. This has gone on for two weeks now. I'm a human being. You're a human being. I'm trying to improve the article. WP:AGF, you're just trying to keep the article free of policy violations. I don't believe any of my edits violated policy. I have argued as much on the talk page. You've made 7 reversions, but only 5 comments on the talk page, without referencing any cited policies. So if we focus on policy, you can see how it appears WP:TENDENTIOUS? Ivan (talk) 17:04, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
I don't believe any of my edits violated policy. If so, then I suggest you walk away from the article. Continuing with the approach you've taken will likely result in sanctions against you. --Hipal (talk) 20:21, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
I have left an important proposal for you at Talk:John Mearsheimer. Please reply there. Ivan (talk) 20:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Again, at best, I don't think your approach will be fruitful. --Hipal (talk) 16:59, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

WP:AGF please?[7] Please strike. I don't believe I've ever commented on your motives, and we started this discussion because you directly questioned mine. --Hipal (talk) 19:38, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

It was in response to In my experience, you'll be wasting everyone's time. Wikipedia is collaborative and consensus-based, and you appear to be trying to avoid both. Ivan (talk) 20:20, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
What's your point? You may want to look at WP:AGF before you comment further. --Hipal (talk) 21:43, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Cirsium × juratzkae moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Cirsium × juratzkae. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because too much has gone wrong in the references. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

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Cirsium × przybylzkii moved to draftspace

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Cirsium × reichardtii moved to draftspace

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Cirsium × scopolii moved to draftspace

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Cirsium × stiriacum moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Cirsium × stiriacum. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because too much has gone wrong with the references. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

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Cirsium × stroblii moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Cirsium × stroblii. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because too much has gone wrong with the references. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

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thank you for creating John Mearsheimer bibliography

I see on your edits page, that you used Citation bot to format my plain text bibliography of Mearsheimer into a wiki-format, and then you transferred this bibliography to separate article John Mearsheimer bibliography. Thank you for doing this. I also created a similar list of publications for John B. Goodenough, who received in 2019 a Nobel Prize for his contributions to the development of lithium-ion batteries, and who recently passed away. Could you please help me to format Goodenough's references into the same format, that you used for Mearsheimer? Walter Tau (talk) 15:38, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

It would be my pleasure! I can start it, but I will need your help to finish it (especially organising into sections by topic). Ivan (talk) 16:26, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
I did it manually instead of using Citation bot, so this process may last an hour even with my replacement method. Ivan (talk) 16:27, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

John B. Goodenough bibliography moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to John B. Goodenough bibliography. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because For certain this is very incomplete as he published for another 25 years. Beyond this, I am very, very dubious about this page since all his articles are already on Google Scholar, which also has the other authors and links to the papers. I think your should improve and try the AfC route instead. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Ldm1954 (talk) 16:35, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:John B. Goodenough bibliography has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:John B. Goodenough bibliography. Thanks! Ldm1954 (talk) 16:36, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Cirsium × juratzkae moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Cirsium × juratzkae. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it is a poor translation and failure to fix the unusable references and splitting the history. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

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Draft (Is this what you had in mind?)

Иованъ/Archive 10
Scientific classification Edit this classification
Kingdom: Plantae
Clade: Tracheophytes
Clade: Angiosperms
Clade: Eudicots
Clade: Asterids
Order: Asterales
Family: Asteraceae
Genus: Cirsium
Species:
C. × juratzkae
Binomial name
Cirsium × juratzkae
Reichardt ex Heimerl

Cirsium × juratzkae (Cirsium greimleri × heterophyllum) is a hybrid between C. greimleri and C. heterophyllum.[1][2]

It is known from 58 herbarium specimens as of 2020.[3]

Distribution

It is found in the Rottenmann and Wölz Tauern, Schladming Tauern, Seckau Tauern, and Lavanttal Alps.[4][5][3]: 82 

Description

Although the growth is more similar to C. heterophyllum and the flowers more similar to C. greimleri,[6] the leaves of the hybrids are intermediate between both parents, with significant variation.[7] But two forms are known.[5]

History

It was named after Jakob Juratzka [de]. It was described it as one of the most "stately and beautiful" hybrids by Heinrich Wilhelm Reichardt, who identified it in 1861 near Bretstein and near Breitenau am Hochlantsch, both at 1400 m.[6]

See also

References

References

  1. ^ Schulz, Carl Heinrich. Cichoriotheca, i.e. Cichoriaceae, praec. Galliae et Germaniae, exsiccata.
  2. ^
  3. ^ a b Vavrinec, Martin (2020-02-13). Geografická analýza mezidruhové hybridizace rodu Cirsium ve střední Evropě (Diplomová práce) (Thesis).
  4. ^ Heimerl, Anton (1884). "Floristische Beiträge" (PDF). Verhandlungen der Zoologisch-Botanischen Gesellschaft in Wien. 34: 95–104. ISSN 0084-5647.
  5. ^ a b Fritsch, Karl (1906) [presented 1906-03-07]. "Über die in der Steiermark vorkommenden Arten und Hybriden der Gattung Cirsium" (PDF). Mitteilungen des Naturwissenschaftlichen Vereines für Steiermark. 43: 404–410. ISSN 0369-1136.
  6. ^ a b Reichardt, Heinrich Wilhelm (1861) [1861-10-02]. "Beitrag zur Kenntniss der Cirsien Steiermarks". Verhandlungen der Kaiserlich-Königlichen Zoologisch-Botanischen Gesellschaft in Wien. 11: 379–382.
  7. ^ Ritter von Eichenfeld, Michael (1889) [presented 1889-05-17]. "Botanischer Discussionsabend am 17. Mai 1889". Verhandlungen der Kaiserlich-Königlichen Zoologisch-Botanischen Gesellschaft in Wien. 39: 68–70.

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[Original text of talk page together with subsequent messages arising from complications of inability to edit blanked, together with abandoned (not unsuccessful) appeal, replaced with text below. Link to text replaced for convenience.]

In light of this clarification on an instablock for a technical misunderstanding that could have been resolved through a talk page request and was required to be preceded by a warning, it is worth noting that the relevant policy paragraph implies blocks without warning are acceptable only for "users acting in bad faith, whose main or only use is forbidden activity", which in the case of this content-oriented and largely harmless account grossly contradicts WP:AGF. The section begins with "Before a block is imposed, efforts should be made to educate users about Wikipedia policies and guidelines, and to warn them when their behavior conflicts with these". Thanks to the caveat "in general" and the open list of specific exceptions, there may not be enough in policy to bring a case like this to WP:ANI, but the section as-written does not lend itself to warningless blocks beyond sockpuppetry and vandalism. The block was therefore itself in violation of policy.

This is on top of a WP:DRAFTNO violation by the blocking admin (see WP:DRAFTOBJECT).

After careful calculation based on the prior opinions and past actions of most editors likely to be involved at either an XRV case or an RFC at Wikipedia:Blocking policy, any further appeals to amend the process are unlikely to succeed. Since I have been advised by my co-contributor to avoid any further mental consternation for the sake of the health of our longstanding Glagolitic project, I have decided to gradually phase out this account's activity on the English Wikipedia project in favour of other online encyclopedias. It will remain active on other Wikimedia projects until viable alternatives become available.

Ivan (talk) 04:41, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Update. Discussion continued at User talk:UtherSRG#AFC rejection.

Your submission at Articles for creation: Cirsium × przybylzkii (September 28)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by UtherSRG was:
Please fix the references to conform to accepted styles. Each reference should have only a single citation. Please see WP:REFB for further information. -
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.
UtherSRG (talk) 16:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Cirsium × stroblii (September 28)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by UtherSRG was:
Please fix the references to conform to accepted styles. Each reference should have only a single citation. Please see WP:REFB for further information. -
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.
UtherSRG (talk) 16:55, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Cirsium × stiriacum (September 28)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by UtherSRG was:
Please fix the references to conform to accepted styles. Each reference should have only a single citation. Please see WP:REFB for further information. -
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.
UtherSRG (talk) 16:56, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Cirsium × reichardtii (September 28)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by UtherSRG was:
Please fix the references to conform to accepted styles. Each reference should have only a single citation. Please see WP:REFB for further information.
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.
UtherSRG (talk) 16:56, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Cirsium × juratzkae (September 28)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by UtherSRG was:
Please fix the references to conform to accepted styles. Each reference should have only a single citation. Please see WP:REFB for further information.
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.
UtherSRG (talk) 16:56, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Cirsium × przybylzkii has been accepted

Cirsium × przybylzkii, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

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UtherSRG (talk) 18:35, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Cirsium × stiriacum has been accepted

Cirsium × stiriacum, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

The article has been assessed as Stub-Class, which is recorded on its talk page. It is commonplace for new articles to start out as stubs and then attain higher grades as they develop over time. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for creation if you prefer.

If you have any questions, you are welcome to ask at the help desk. Once you have made at least 10 edits and had an account for at least four days, you will have the option to create articles yourself without posting a request to Articles for creation.

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Thanks again, and happy editing!

UtherSRG (talk) 18:40, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Cirsium × stroblii has been accepted

Cirsium × stroblii, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

The article has been assessed as Stub-Class, which is recorded on its talk page. It is commonplace for new articles to start out as stubs and then attain higher grades as they develop over time. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for creation if you prefer.

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Thanks again, and happy editing!

UtherSRG (talk) 18:43, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Cirsium × reichardtii has been accepted

Cirsium × reichardtii, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

The article has been assessed as Stub-Class, which is recorded on its talk page. It is commonplace for new articles to start out as stubs and then attain higher grades as they develop over time. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

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Thanks again, and happy editing!

UtherSRG (talk) 18:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Cirsium × juratzkae has been accepted

Cirsium × juratzkae, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

The article has been assessed as Stub-Class, which is recorded on its talk page. It is commonplace for new articles to start out as stubs and then attain higher grades as they develop over time. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for creation if you prefer.

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Thanks again, and happy editing!

UtherSRG (talk) 18:57, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Cirsium × scopolii has been accepted

Cirsium × scopolii, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

The article has been assessed as Stub-Class, which is recorded on its talk page. It is commonplace for new articles to start out as stubs and then attain higher grades as they develop over time. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

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Thanks again, and happy editing!

UtherSRG (talk) 11:36, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Cirsium greimleri

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Cirsium greimleri you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Eewilson -- Eewilson (talk) 17:23, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Ivan! Thank you for creating this article and improving it to the point where you nominated it for GA. Is this one of the first articles you have created for English Wikipedia? And, is it your first GA nomination? I don't want to presume that is the case because it is always possible that users have had previous accounts and have more experience than their current history shows. I look forward to reviewing the article and working with you. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 21:29, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
Hello! I created my first account in 2017 but moved on to this one. I made a list of articles from this and that account on my user page as a navigational aid. None of them went through the GA process. And this is the first botany article published (we write offline). Thank you for your consideration! Ivan (talk) 23:32, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
Great, Ivan! Thank you for elaborating. I have begun to take a look at the article and should be able to begin commenting within the next few hours. I look forward to working with you. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 23:46, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Nothospecies

With respect, I can't say I think your proposal to add nothospecies was very well-timed, given the RfC has not yet been closed, and the proposal could conceivably fail. Furthermore, the messages you left are confusing, because they seem to refer to the RfC on NSPECIES, not your separate proposal on nothospecies. Do you want your nothospecies discussion to be an RfC? (I advise against it) Because you introduce it as An RfC to adopt a guideline regarding the notability of species which is not what it is. I don't have an opinion on the nothospecies proposal itself, but I'd recommend you withdraw the proposal and wait until the RfC has been closed. Then we can re-start your nothospecies proposal and notify wikiprojects appropriately. Thank-you for your consideration, Cremastra (talk) 19:54, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Sorry about the wording. I saw "RfC" on the messages linking to the current discussion and copied that since it was not challenged and I did not know what to call it. What would you advise instead of an RfC? Ivan (talk) 20:49, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
referring to it as "a discussion" or "a proposal" is good. However, I still think you should withdraw it until the RfC on the adoption of the new guideline is closed. Cremastra (talk) 20:51, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
Would a "discussion" carry any force? That is, would it be able to alter a policy? answered by another editor elsewhere Ivan (talk) 20:57, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

October 2024

Information icon Hello. I have noticed that you often edit without using an edit summary. Please do your best to always fill in the summary field. This helps your fellow editors use their time more productively, rather than spending it unnecessarily scrutinizing and verifying your work. Even a short summary is better than no summary, and summaries are particularly important for large, complex, or potentially controversial edits. To help yourself remember, you may wish to check the "prompt me when entering a blank edit summary" box in your preferences. Thanks! UtherSRG (talk) 15:43, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

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