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Question

I was just fixing up Proposed provinces and territories of Canada and added back a section you removed - Did not realizes you had just removed it. - tough it was all part of the IP's edits that i am trying to fix. But now that I see it was you that removed it I now have to think that perhaps I am wrong about its inclusion. After reading Cascadia (independence movement) I was under the interpretation that it was a "independent nation" type thing.Moxy (talk) 19:04, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi. No problem. That IP was doing a lot of damage. I removed it again because it refers to a proposed secession, which is not relevant to an article dealing with proposed additional provinces/territories. Cheers. Taroaldo (talk) 19:06, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

O I see that all makes sense - dame the article is full of this - I guess we should remove Alaska boundary dispute, Northwest Passage. aswell what do you think?Moxy (talk) 19:09, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure about the Alaska boundary dispute, but the Northwest Passage section is definitely not relevant to the article. Taroaldo (talk) 19:12, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

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To answer your question here, you added somehow an additional template here. If you help us out more at the AFC project, use our AFC JS helper tool. (if you have any problems with "installing" that tool, simply leave a talkback on my talk page.) mabdul 13:08, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Vandal Active Again

User:Al_Villarruel, who vandalized my user page for making corrections, is up to his old tricks again. Please take a look at his user contributions. He's changed United States and several companies. Also his most recent created page was deleted as it was just more about him and his imaginary performances. Anything you can do to help will be most gratefully appreciated.Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:24, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Evan Schrebier

I Just dont know why you have to delete this hes famous on the local news why please do not delete this i know your a staff member and im not well ust dont delete it its up to you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alan Jesus Villarruel (talk • contribs) 23:08, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi. (I also posted this info on your talk page.) Wikipedia articles must meet various criteria including notability. This page provides some excellent advice and links to help editors in creating new articles. Hope this helps. (Also, I am an editor on Wikipedia, not a staff member of Wikipedia or of the Wikimedia Foundation.) Taroaldo (talk) 23:16, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Frankenstein's monster

Hello. I deleted the link to Frankenstein's monster in the See also section of the Zombie article, and you undid my edit. Rather than engage in an edit war, I'll explain my rationale: In Frankenstein; or the Modern Prometheus by Mary Shelley (and even in its unfaithful film adaptations), the monster is a sentient being made of corpse parts. He is not a zombie, or in a zombie-like trance. He thinks, he speaks, he acts on his own free will. He is not a puppet of Dr. Frankenstein, which is the source of much of the tension in the story. The themes of Shelley's book have nothing to do with Vodou, or Santería, or the films of George A. Romero. And so, as I said in my edit summary, Frankenstein's monster is no more thematically related to the subject of this article than Dracula (a soulless vampire, often referred to as undead) or Pinocchio (a self-aware puppet brought to life by magical means). As there are no links in the See also section to Dracula or Pinocchio, there doesn't need to be one to Frankenstein's monster—for the simple reason that it would be too unrelated to be necessary. Comme le Lapin (talk) 16:00, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation. Pinocchio was an interesting example to support your position. I look at the "See also" section as a suggestion list for other similar topics the reader might be interested in. The topics need not be related:

• According to the the Manual of Style: "[T]he links in the "See also" section do not have to be directly related to the topic of the article, because one purpose of the "See also" links is to enable readers to explore topics that are only peripherally relevant."

I cited the example of the Dybbuk, which is a spirit (the soul of a deceased person) existing in a living person. This has nothing to do with zombies, which are soulless reanimated corpses, either. Whereas Frankenstein's monster, while not a zombie, was reanimated from various corpse parts.

Everything being said, it is immaterial to me whether or not the link is included in the article, although its inclusion is entirely appropriate. I notice that you have removed it again, and that's fine. Perhaps it would be better located in the zombie (fictional) article anyway. As a side note, if there is ever a persistent disagreement among editors then the situation would be resolved through discussion/consensus on the article's talk page. I don't see Frankenstein's monster becoming a persistent situation, though. Taroaldo (talk) 02:04, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi - I am responding to a comment from you, but in reading over your talk page, I quite agree with Comme Le Lapin. I own a copy of Frankenstein by Mary Shelley, I've visited the castle she wrote the outline in, and there is absolutely no connection between zombies and Frankenstein's creation. Hopefully Wade Davis's book is on your zombie page - he really gets to the bottom of zombies. cheers Billyshiverstick (talk) 03:37, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Luka Magnotta

Its my impression that consensus at AFD 3 was circumvented. Regards, -Stevertigo (t | c) 03:56, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

The only consensus reached at AfD 3 was keep. Taroaldo (talk) 04:00, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

I think thats a mischaracterization. The actual majority consensus supported a rename. When the AFD closed, the article was not renamed, sidestepping the AFD consensus. Regards, -Stevertigo (t | c) 05:02, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

This has been discussed before. Rather than rehashing everything, I would simply suggest to review my comments at the fourth AfD, as well as the closure at the third AfD which was 'speedy keep', as well as the subsequent move discussion in the article talk page which was closed as 'not moved'. This has gone well past the point of flogging a dead equine. Thanks - Taroaldo (talk) 06:03, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

The point is that consensus was keep and rename, not just keep. You and others who oppose the rename keep mischaracterizing that fact, or when you address it, you refer to WP:CCC or majority ≠ consensus. Its like bad joke. Regards, -Stevertigo (t | c) 06:12, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

1) The result at AfD was: speedy keep

2) The result at the move discussion was: not moved

I don't know what could be clearer than that. Taroaldo (talk) 06:45, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Barnstar of Diplomacy
		For this and this. Keep up the good work. I think you might be managing to get through through to him in ways that I'm not. Cheers. Sleddog116 (talk) 00:51, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! I've seen so many people get frustrated in Wikipedia and, like you, I don't want to see eager new editors leave because of it. Thanks again Taroaldo (talk) 01:10, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

please join the discussion re: Incidents of zombie-like behavior in 2012

Per your request, i removed the formal RfC in favor of an informal discussion to address my concerns develop a consensus to move forward. Please join in the discussion to have your opinions included in any consensus that is developed and will be acted upon.

Talk:Incidents_of_zombie-like_behavior_in_2012#statement_of_subject_of_article_and_article_title -- The Red Pen of Doom 01:08, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for the reminder! Between IRL stuff and working on a couple issues at WP:AN I've been a little short on time, but I will be commenting either later today or tomorrow at the latest. Taroaldo (talk) 01:46, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

hello, are you still working on a formulation for a focused topic / lead sentence / article name or should I now open it up to the broader community? -- The Red Pen of Doom 14:32, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

User talk:Djmastr11

Hey Taroaldo, I saw that you warned that user for edit warring over at Full Sail University. The editor blanked his page keeps adding the same information to the article. I just wanted to let you know that I reported him to the WP:AIV noticeboard. Thanks. -- Luke (Talk) 23:39, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for the update. I was considering requesting temporary PP in hopes he would simply go away, but I'll wait to see the AIV result. Taroaldo (talk) 23:42, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, a semi-protection would be fruitless because the account is over 10 days old and made more than 10 edits. -- Luke (Talk) 23:45, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking temp full protection. It seems likely the editor has a personal beef with the university and I didn't want to come down with a hammer on a new editor. At the time I looked (including checking the history), I did not see any vandalism warnings. Normally for AIV, vandalism must occur again after a Level 4 or Only Warning. Taroaldo (talk) 23:52, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

I see Djmastr11 has reported their own edit war already. It may be that the result isn't what they were expecting. I don't feel page protection of any kind is appropriate; one disruptive user with a beef is one disruptive user blocked, not "all other users rendered unable to edit". Let's see what comes from the discussions on the edit warring page. I've put a {{uw-unsourced3}} on their talkpage but if this continues I shall have no compunction in giving them a day or so block in order that they may read the appropriate policies on POV, sourcing and 5P. Blocking or not blocking via AIV isn't necessarily a mechanistic "they've had a level 1, now a level 2..." process. Tonywalton ^Talk 00:09, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes. At this point it is no longer possible to AGF. PP isn't a good option now. The editor in question is clearly disruptive and is not open to discussion about his behavior. A block seems inevitable. Taroaldo (talk) 00:15, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

And one has happened, following his scribbling on my userpage. I have a feeling that he'll be back and won't have changed. Tonywalton ^Talk 00:31, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

One thing that can be said about this: he certainly has a laser-like focus. I agree that change is unlikely. Taroaldo (talk) 00:48, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Roland Düringer

I did not remove the deletion tag of this article. I just reverted the deletion tag of this article, made by another user. M0RG@N (talk) 10:39, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

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Michael Omolewa Article

Dear Taroaldo,

I am very grateful for your encouragement on my edits concerning removing the fan, tone flagging of Michael Omolewa article. This AfricaTanz user keeps stalking my edits and keeps insulting me. And is now threatening me with being blocked for no Wiki reason - as if Wikipedia is now his property. See also, my Ford Foundation edits and how this AfricaTanz keeps messing things up, insultively and undoing my edits + Josaiah Ndubuisi Wachuku + Eze, etc. And this AfricaTanz keeps behaving arrogantly as if he has knowledge of all things in this world. And he has been on Wikipedia for only 7 Months and does not even have a page, etc. I've been on Wikipedia for 8 years and 11 months, humbly doing my best ... I'm really tired of the kind of arrogant and insulting mentality this AfricaTanz has ... Thanks for calling AfricaTanz to order and giving me a breathing space ... Have a blessed day!

With very good wishes:

Lord777 03:58, 8 June 2013 (UTC) http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:Lord777

Thanks. Hopefully it will settle down. Taroaldo (talk) 04:11, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

retaliatory strike from a blockee

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Speedy deletion declined: Aberdeen Baptist Lui Ming Choi College

Hello Taroaldo. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Aberdeen Baptist Lui Ming Choi College, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: A7 clearly excludes schools. Thank you. Mkdw^talk 06:59, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes, thank you. That exception was overlooked. Taroaldo (talk) 07:32, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Check my talk page

Check my talk page please.EzPz (talk) 07:43, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

sorry,i should have looked sir! Uncletomwood (talk) 09:55, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Best edit summary of 2013

I came across this edit summary today and thought it was worth remembering. It manages to be serious yet humorous at the same time. Well done.

(append dependent clause modifier closer to subject)

It can be found here Taroaldo ✉ 23:34, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

re: MacKeeper, minor edits, and signing my work

Hi - I appreciate your concern to keep wikipedia on track.

I do want you to know that I sign at least one of my edits, especially first in a series, so people can find me if needed. As I do minor re-edits, I sometimes stop signing each one.

I also generally follow the "minor edit" policy pretty meticulously. You should know, however, that the MacKeeper page is in a perpetual edit war with the company that makes MacKeeper. They have a long history of using the page as advertising, which is against wiki policy. Many people feel they use it as false advertising, and make claims that are untrue.

I will be honest with you, I signed those as minor edits so whoever works at MacKeeper and is engaged in the unethical edit war, wouldn't immediately see my changes.

Also, most of those edits were pretty minor, I was neither adding nor subtracting, just aligning the tone with the content, as I stated. Whether exactly in the letter of the law, I am very committed to the spirit of Wiki law. Given the unethical edit war and false advertising, I don't think I'm doing wrong.

There are actually a bunch of us watching this page, and it is a lot better than it was. Note my edit of "professional reviewers review MacKeeper highly", followed by very mixed reviews. That was untrue, and did not match the facts, so I matched the sentence to the truth.

Anyways - cheers - I'm with you. If you look at most of my edits, they are purely to help the articles read clearly and get their point across. bets wishes Billyshiverstick (talk) 03:51, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

REDBLACKS

To avoid turning the article talk page into a forum, I'm posting this here.

From what I understand, the team does owns the rights to the "Ottawa Rough Riders" name, but the Saskatchewan Roughriders protested. So perhaps this is all a ploy to embarrass the Roughriders into relenting? :) - BilCat (talk) 23:52, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Anything can happen in the CFL. I wonder how much they had to pay Horn Chen for the rights. You'd think they'd want to get their money's worth, so perhaps it is a ploy. I'm not sure why Saskatchewan is objecting anyway. Their fans are so rabid (I'm using that term affectionately) that they probably hardly notice there are any other teams in the league, exept when the green Riders are playing against them. Taroaldo ✉ 00:04, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

• Regarding the mos, as if on cue they just moved Numb3rs to Numbers (TV series) [1]. Now that's funny. MOS-wonks indeed. Taroaldo ✉ 02:10, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Yup! I saw a suggestion online that they should have called the team "Red and Black", as it is in French ("Rouge et Noir"). That actually sounds better to the ear, as "RedBlacks" almost sounds racist, even though it clearly isn't intended that way. - BilCat (talk) 02:25, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

'Rouge et Or' works well at Laval, too.

Perhaps the redblacks Redblacks RedBlacks REDBLACKS REDBLACKS! ownership group heard about the Blue and Gold and thought that was the official name for the Blue Bombers. It would have been funny to sit in on their meetings when the team name discussion came up! Taroaldo ✉ 02:44, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

J-20 page being vandalized

Hello Taroaldo, I add that there are three J-20 prototypes because the new prototype 2003 just came out one week ago. There are no articals about it but plenty of pictures.

Also, please lock the J-20 page, it is being vandalized again by trolls.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.71.58.38 (talk) 00:35, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi, if you feel a page is being sufficiently vandalized to warrant page protection, you may request it at Requests for page protection. I do not have the tools to do page protections. Regards Taroaldo ✉ 00:46, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

DavidAHull Sandbox

Hello. A couple of days ago I worked on my sandbox whilst not logged in, which was my inexperienced error. I see you spotted that someone had made this edit and intervened. I really appreciate your action, though, mercifully, it was not necessary in this instance. Thank you and best wishes, Dave DavidAHull (talk) 17:23, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for the message! It's always hard to tell with IPs so I like to err on the side of caution. Best wishes. Taroaldo ✉ 23:03, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Cuween Hill Chambered Cairn

Thanks very much for the heads up. In fact, that's my error. I reverted the sock puppet edits and then deleted the article in error. I've fixed that now so the history is intact. Again, much appreciated. I'm pretty sure that was a one-off error. Dougweller (talk) 18:38, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. I can now see the past edits that user:Adrazahl was talking about. I wasn't sure what to make of it because he hadn't edited anything else up until he recreated the page. Taroaldo ✉ 08:02, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Puff and Pie

Sorry to snatch away your breakfast, suffering is good for the soul (: Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:37, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

Hi, I'm Josh1024. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Air pollution in Kosovo, and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you. Josh1024 (talk) 13:50, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Afd

Hi Taroaldo. I don't think this article is notable. Can you nominate it for deletion, please?--Rapsar (talk) 16:33, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I have reviewed the page and looked through some search results. This subject does appear to fail corpdepth, so I've created an AfD page for it here [2]. Regards Taroaldo ✉ 18:40, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks :)--Rapsar (talk) 15:23, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

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Why

whats wrong with the song i heard???

Why

whats wrong with the song i heard??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eph516 (talk • contribs) 05:03, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Articles about musicians must meet the criteria under WP:BAND. The song itself does not appear to meet the general notability criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia. Taroaldo ✉ 05:07, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Lovesexy189

It's probably not a good idea to have duplicate reports. Could you merge it into mine, or do you want me to do it myself? On a somewhat unrelated note, I've asked on AN/I to have the AfD closed. Thanks, Ansh666 06:40, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Has it been duplicated? I figured Twinkle would mesh it into one.........OK I saw where you added Neyda155 before I did. Dang, Twinkle should have told me!

I hope the ANI report gets dealt with quickly. Too much time gets wasted on these [I can't say uncivil words] people. Regards Taroaldo ✉ 06:56, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't think Twinkle is as smart as you think it is... Anyhow, thanks (by the way, you forgot to sign on the SPI page, no big deal), and I hope it gets sorted out so we can get back to sanity a bit faster! Ansh666 07:26, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Argh! I almost never forget my sig. Thanks for letting me know!! I think I've spent too many hours today staring at a computer screen. Taroaldo ✉ 07:52, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome! I always spend too many hours staring at a computer screen =( Cheers, Ansh666 16:51, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Re: Recent behaviour

Resorting to hyperbole is no way to win a discussion. I'm happy to disagree with you as to whether or not an organization, which my reliable sources suggest existed, ever actually existed. But, I'd rather like to see your sources on the point. :p -- Kendrick7^talk 03:17, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Seeing as the "charity" was something this woman made up in her head and then spread word-of-mouth or through Facebook, I think it is unlikely to find a source which will certify that Change for the Cure is not a bona fide organisation. However, if you look in the Toronto Star piece, which you referenced in the article, it does talk about how she made it up. For WP:ORG to apply, I would like to see your sources such as a charitable licence from Canada Revenue Agency, or the registered articles of incorporation, or perhaps even reliable evidence of a head office address. Something a little more official than a Facebook page. Regards Taroaldo ✉ 03:29, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Well, fair points. Still: IANAL, but I'm pretty sure I could go down to my city hall tomorrow and file the right doing business as paperwork and be cashing checks under whatever "organizational" name I wanted to. Now if I did that with a plan to (a) lie to people, (b) get people to give my "business" money based on that lie, and, down the road, I was convicted of (c) fraud, then my little psuedo-organization would still be notable -- even under the strictures of BLP -- for lying, stealing, and going to jail. Three discrete events! And if it became an international story, with millions of web hits, the purity declarations of virginity from Wikipedia for refusing to mention any of that would all seem a bit silly. As I believe is the case here. -- Kendrick7^talk 04:25, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

IMOMNBAL but I have done restructuring work for charitable organisations. It generally costs $25000 minimum for a straightforward incorporation and requires professional legal services to do that. No organisation can be called a "charity" until they receive approval and an official designation from Canada Revenue Agency. Now, we know none of that happened here.

If John Doe incorporates a charity to provide food aid to developing countries, gets a registration number from CRA, starts accepting donations, and then uses those donations to take his family and friends on trips and to buy houses and cars, that is organisational fraud. If this was discovered, the CRA would investigate, the charity would lose its charitable status, and John would go to jail. This would be a real charity and would qualify as an organisation under WP:ORG.

By reading the sources you provided we can see that this woman did not have any of that set up. She used word-of-mouth and social media to promote a mythical charity. She accepted donations only in cash and rolls of change because there was no organisation and no corporate bank account for her to cash cheques. She is no different than a con-person who sits in a wheelchair on a street corner pretending to be disabled in order to collect change from passersby (or pretends to be an amputee -- think Eddie Murphy in Trading Places).

Taroaldo ✉ 05:48, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Meh, I guess I'm with DGG on this. At the end of the day, shouldn't an international fraud be notable? Even if your theory that all the money was personally handed to the alleged cancer victim in cash, which I think is dubious at best, the purpose of the BLP policy isn't to whitewash such behavior regardless. I don't even care; I just stubbed out an article in response to a prod. Either Wikipedia shows up when you Google the topic at hand, or it doesn't. I'm still a little insulted that you said to DGG that people like me shouldn't be allowed to edit Wikipedia, but it's late, so, in short: viva la difference.... -- Kendrick7^talk 06:29, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

If you would like to discuss a genuine difference of opinion, I am always open to that. But you insist on making disingenuous statements (eg refusing to acknowledge what your own reference says about the cash payments) and making false accusations, which I will again ask you to stop doing. Obviously there were good reasons for your previous blocks, and they should have kept the indef block in place. Maybe next time. Regards. Taroaldo ✉ 06:50, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Well now I'm just sad that you are so angry and grumpy. :( I'm sorry for slighting you, and will strike it through. Virtual hug. -- Kendrick7^talk 04:30, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

You are absolutely right, I think...

So I did this. Yeah? Okay then. Ha ha. Stalwart111 06:01, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I actually haven't dealt much with socks until this past week when they have shown up everywhere I've been. Twinkle actually duplicated a sock report I tried to add last night, so I appreciate you starting this one. Regards Taroaldo ✉ 06:08, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

No problem - any time! Stalwart111 07:43, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Taroaldo. I have updated the article on drummer Chris Dave to include a reference and a record on a major label in his discography. His discogrpahy is expansive and there is much more information to include, which I will get to eventually, but for now I believe this is sufficient to remove the warning for deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grombliniak (talk • contribs) 19:39, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

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you make my project disappear!