User talk:Sean.hoyland

Wikipedia dictator wannabe

Hi Sean, How does it feel to be an ignorant Falun Gong fan? Do you also like Hitler (most notorious communist killer) and are a blind anticommunist too? Or are you a Scientology follower? I guess that you believe in Santa Claus and flying soccers!

Are we really going to start another endless battle about the settlement/neighborhood issue? It has happened on enough articles... now you want to move onto a new one? It's up to you... let me know if you want to edit in a suitable compromise. Otherwise I'll go find my typical sources and we can start duking it out on the talk page. Breein1007 (talk) 01:30, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for expanding. I'm going to make a further edit to put it in line with the other suburbs of Jerusalem that share this controversy. Breein1007 (talk) 01:41, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm really trying to avoid these endless battles. However, an editor (not you) simply removing info from a source like the Times is annoying and no one should tolerate that kind of behavior. I'm trying to be neutral. I guess neutral will look non-neutral to anyone with the 'Jerusalem, complete and united' or 'it's on occupied land' view. Sean.hoyland - talk 01:51, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough. Breein1007 (talk) 01:58, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

On the plus side, if we keep doing this in multiple articles eventually we might discover the most stable, neutral, policy compliant wording. Sean.hoyland - talk 02:00, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

What are your thoughts about the last two edits? You think they should be fully reverted? I actually like some of what he did (like splitting it into sections rather than having 1 massive lead and no actual article). Breein1007 (talk) 20:29, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed this one. Well, I don't have a problem with there being a political status section but its political status is without doubt the most notable thing about it. I'm more concerned about the things he has put in there, the repeated removal of material from the lead and the user's extreme shyness when it comes to using the talk page. Oh well. I keep meaning to put a message together for the talk page to try to explain why, based on the sources, it's okay to say things like 'annexed to Israel in a move not recognised by the international community' and not okay to say things like 'Some contest this move' etc. I can't get very excited about it though. I'd just be happy to get him to engage in discussion. Sean.hoyland - talk 09:47, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Got Email?

Hey Sean, I sent you an email, not sure if you got it? Unomi (talk) 01:49, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Yep, got it and replied. Sean.hoyland - talk 08:12, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Plus you have Russell quote and I was just reading Russell's intro to TLP this morning. Funny old world. Sean.hoyland - talk 08:31, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Here is another quote I find inspiring:

“ Every facet, every department of your mind, is to be programmed by you. And unless you assume your rightful responsibility, and begin to program your own mind, the world will program it for you. - Jack Kornfield ”

I am obviously very disappointed that you aren't an organic farmer / crazy inventor, but I will try to temper my resentment ;) Unomi (talk) 08:50, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Dear Sean

Can you please tell me, How does one send an email? Rocalisi (talk) 04:52, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Look at the left hand frame of the Wikipedia page, toolbox, 'E-mail this user'. I don't know who you intend to email but you do not have permission to email me, so don't. Sean.hoyland - talk 05:00, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the information, I wasn't going to email you though (I don't know you, but I trust you are fair... as your page states: "This user strives to maintain a policy of neutrality on controversial issues.") sorry. Rocalisi (talk) 08:56, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

That only refers to article content. Sean.hoyland - talk 08:59, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Article content and 'moderating' who's // which edits stay on and who's // what's not? If I study the discussion --as you suggested in your edit yesterday-- and provide my counter opinion to the one who disputes the sources, will you then let the edit on?Rocalisi (talk) 04:04, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Discussions aren't moderated in general unless there is a formal request for moderation/dispute resolution. In this particularly case the material was removed because the sources didn't comply with mandatory policy, i.e. WP:RS, and therefore mandatory WP:V compliance fails. Sources aren't regarded as reliable by default. If you can provide evidence to show that the sources do comply with the RS policy or provide better sources then the issue of mandatory WP:V compliance will be resolved. You can then move on to discussing adding the material with other contributors to find consensus. Your opinion about article content has the same weight as everyone else's opinion as long as your opinion is consistent with wiki policy i.e. there aren't people with editorial control over the article contents that can overrule other people. Have a look at WP:BRD. The important thing is to avoid edit warring over content and use the article's talk page to resolve issues. Dealing with article content issues in small chunks often helps. Sean.hoyland - talk 04:19, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Will do, thanks, Sean. Rocalisi (talk) 04:23, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

mind tricks

The framing definition, reminded me of Predictably Irrational theme. The author had very impressive, kind of eye opening appearances on TED, this for instance, "on our buggy moral code". Have fun. AgadaUrbanit (talk) 06:33, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I've not read that book. Sounds interesting. The video was really excellent as were his experiments. He's a great talker. It's always fascinating when someone shines an experimental light on these opaque processes especially when they try to systematically examine the heart of darkness aspect. I lost my faith in the ability of the human brain to behave sensibly many years ago, particularly mine, so anything that illuminates the infuriatingly non-linear feedback loop infested dynamics of simple decisions (like why it's apparently okay to steal a pencil) are very welcome. Sean.hoyland - talk 08:36, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Rollback

Just a thought - you might want to ask for WP:ROLLBACK rights to make reverting vandalism slightly quicker. cheers, Rd232 ^talk 14:10, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

That would be handy thanks. I'll have a look later. Too busy dealing with vandalism...wait.. Sean.hoyland - talk 14:12, 15 April 2010 (UTC)