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Revision as of 13:21, 31 December 2010


  • Review and Improve: Template:Palestine topics • Palestine Liberation Organization • Palestinian views on the peace process • History of Palestine • Timeline of the name Palestine • Criticism of the Israeli government • Palestinian Centre for the Study of Nonviolence
  • Requests and drafts: 1657 Ottoman campaign in Palestine • Abu Nuwar • Al-Hussein Stadium • Demographics of Gaza • Fahmy al-Zaarir • Fawzi Barhoum • Future for Palestine • Khaldoun Al-Halman • Lajee Center • National symbols of the State of Palestine • Palestinian dance • Suleiman Jacir • Weaving in Majdal
  • Expand: Prime Minister of the Palestinian National Authority • General Union of Palestinian Students • Palestine Monetary Authority• Preventive Security Force • Walid Khalidi • Education in the State of Palestine • Sa'ir • Salman Abu-Sitta • Kawkaba • al Qastal, Palestine • Michel Khleifi • Al-Shajara • Sami Abu Zuhri • Yezid Sayigh • Yatta, Hebron • Qalqilya • Palestinian Scout Association • Arab Liberation Front • Palestinian literature • Muslim Quarter • Christian Quarter
  • Update: Palestinian Christians • Israel's record: human rights in the occupied territories • Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions
  • Within WikiProject: Template needs to be edited so that space between bullet and text would be less


    • Well, since you mention it

    they are actually both wrong. I was just trying to be polite. --Ravpapa (talk) 10:28, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    The Signpost: 29 November 2010

    AfDs

    Hi. As you just participated in discussions on a closely related topic (also a current AfD re a Jewish list), which may raise some of the same issues, I'm simply mentioning that the following are currently ongoing: AfDs re lists of Jewish Nobel laureates, entertainers, inventors, actors, cartoonists, and heavy metal musicians. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 08:59, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Just a quick note to thank you for your explanatory comment at the AfD, putting my above note to you in context. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 18:11, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    FYI

    You have been mentioned here. Just letting you know. Take care, nableezy - 01:23, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    WB sign

    Hi. I recall some year back you commented on a photo of a West Bank road sign, which explicitly mentioned the Law of Return. Do you have the link to it. There is a discussion at WP:RDH. --Soman (talk) 16:28, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    I'll look for it. I,m sure I linked it in discussion somewhere. RolandR (talk) 16:33, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Found my archived post. The article was in Haaretz on 17 February 2006[1]; I think it appeared in Hebrew only, but will check. My full translation of the sign is in the archive. RolandR (talk) 16:41, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    An English version of the article appeared in Haaretz on the same day. There is no piucture, but the article does state "the signs explicitly define "Israelis" not only as citizens or residents of the state, but also as tourists or anyone entitled to immigrate to Israel under the Law of Return". RolandR (talk) 16:49, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks! --Soman (talk) 16:58, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Wikibias

    Sorry I didn't tell you about the comments—I thought it was clear they weren't yours, but I guess I should have written something so nobody would misinterpret them. I'll keep you informed about any future comments from "RolandR". — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 08:21, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Formatting

    Hi Roland. Hope this helps:

    Template:Rtl-lang

    (Yehuda Slutsky, 1915-1978, Abridged History of the Hagana, by Yehuda Slutsky; edited by Shaul Avigur, Yehuda Slutsky, Gershon Rivlin, Tel-Aviv: Ministry of Security Publishers, 1978).

    nableezy - 17:02, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Thank you, that resolved it. So is the answer to include the Hebrew (or Arabic) in {{rtl-lang|---}}? And would that resolve bracket and number conflicts as well? (I hope nobody is so ridiculously petty as to count this a breach of your iniquitous topic-ban!) RolandR (talk) 17:09, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Not really, the language used in the template doesnt matter (as far as I can tell) and I dont know why it includes it. The template places whatever the text is in a span that has dir="rtl". I dont know if that is needed or if the important part is the control character that is added to the end of the span. The &lrm; html control character is added. This is to allow left-to-right text to immediately follow right-to-left text. This doesnt seem to be needed all the time, but I have run into it a few times. (after ec). Another hint, when you want to display a template use the {{tlx}} template. That will show, for example, {{tlx|rtl-lang|he|text}} as {{rtl-lang|he|text}}. nableezy - 17:15, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    (excuse me butting in) Nab, the language does matter, since it's used by spell checkers, screen readers, etc. It also sets a selector that you can use in your /vector.css or /monobook.css file to control how text in that language displays. I find arabic text completely unreadable unless it is wrapped in one of these templates, partly because the default font is so small, partly because my knowledge of the language is only rudimentary, and partly because my eyesight isn't that great. (Same remarks apply to Hebrew, but to a lesser extent re font size, and my knowledge of the language is almost non-existent.) --NSH001 (talk) 20:44, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    By the way, the text in question still has a brackets problem. Probably unresolvable.
    My worst such problem was working in Jerusalem in 1987-8, when we were issuing press releases in Hebrew, Arabic and English, using old computers and primitive software. Someone would make a small amendment, and then the entire document would format r-l or l-r, so that the beginning of one line would go to the end of the next. It was impossible to resolve! RolandR (talk) 17:24, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Coding issues are always solvable ;). But I cant differentiate between Hebrew letters, so I have no idea how this is supposed to look and cant do much other than comparing between the source and the text on the talk page. Whats the problem? I see the text displaying as it should, though I may be missing something. The one thing that I do see is that the code itself is not showing correctly, but the output is. This is a result of having left to right numbers as the last thing before the end of the last set of parentheses. But the displayed text looks fine.

    1987??? There were computers back then? You mean you didnt have to manually set the type in the printing press? nableezy - 17:35, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    The problem -- which I suppose is more aesthetic than substantive -- is that (on my screen; yours may be wider or narrower), the end of the Hebrew sentence is displayed at the left rather than the right of the line, as if it were l-r formatted.
    We did indeed have computers then; but no hard disks. We used large (5½ inch I think) floppys with the programmes and to store files; for security purposes, we kept at least two copies away from the office. I still have them somewhere. RolandR (talk) 17:45, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    5.25" floppies! Luxury ... I can remember punched-paper drives and having to colour in cards to take to the local computer bureau! Mind you, computers were being built using tansistor technology by then.     ←   ZScarpia   18:33, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    The Signpost: 6 December 2010

    Request

    Hello! I'm looking for an educated opinion on the factual accuracy of these proposals to the wording in Israel and Palestine's entries at List of states with limited recognition. One user is claiming that the Palestinian territories are "occupied by Israel", where as I was of the belief that this was either not the case, or open to dispute. As a member of WikiProject Palestine, would you possibly be able to give an educated opinion? Regards, Nightw 12:32, 10 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]


    The Palestinian territories of the West Bank, East Jerusalem and East Jerusalem were occupied by Israel in 1967, and remain under Israeli occupation. This is not merely my view; it is the opinion of the United Nations, the "Middle East Quartet", the European Union, The US government, most other governments, the BBC, and reputable human rights organisations. I haven't yet looked at the disagreement on the article you refer to, so I don't know what the implications of this are; but I certainly agree with the other user that these territories remain under Israeli occupation. RolandR (talk) 12:51, 10 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    But what about the Gaza Strip? Is it both accurate and neutral to say that it, also, is occupied by Israel? Nightw 13:28, 10 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes it is. And it would be uinaccurate and non-neutral to present it any other way. RolandR (talk) 13:30, 10 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks! I just wanted to check as a number of editors had called the statement into question. I appreciate your responses. Regards, Nightw 13:40, 10 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Israel Shamir

    Roland R, Off2riorob refers to an OTRS complaint on my talk page. Philip Cross (talk) 16:52, 11 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    I know; see this AN/I discussion. The OTRS, apparently from Shamir himself, was actually a libellous attack on me, accusing me of being a Mossad agent attempting to organise the murder of Shamir. I continue to believe that addition of this reliably-sourced material is acceptable and within policy. RolandR (talk) 17:02, 11 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    London Wikimedia Fundraiser

    Good evening! This is a friendly message from Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry, inviting you to the London Wikimedia Fundraising party on 19th December 2010, in approximately one week. This party is being held at an artistic London venue with room for approximately 300 people, and is being funded by Ed Saperia, a non-Wikipedian who has a reputation for holding exclusive events all over London. This year, he wants to help Wikipedia, and is subsidising a charity event for us. We're keen to get as many Wikimedians coming as possible, and we already have approximately 200 guests, including members of the press, and some mystery guests! More details can be found at http://twiki.riteme.site/wiki/London - expect an Eigenharp, a mulled wine hot tub, a free hog roast, a haybale amphitheatre and more. If you're interested in coming - and we'd love to have you - please go to the ten.wikipedia page and follow the link to the Facebook event. Signing up on Facebook will add you to the party guestlist. Entry fee is a heavily subsidised £5 and entry is restricted to over 18s. It promises to be a 10th birthday party to remember! If you have any questions, please email me at chasemewiki at gmail.com.

    Hope we'll see you there, (and apologies for the talk page spam) - Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 23:48, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    The Signpost: 13 December 2010

    The Signpost: 20 December 2010

    Foreign relations of PLO, PNA, SoP discussion

    Please join this discussion to elaborate on your arguments. Alinor (talk) 09:30, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    The Signpost: 27 December 2010

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