User talk:Eik Corell

Removing content

In http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=ROSE_Online&diff=prev&oldid=300545403 you seem to have removed practically all the content and just made a section on weapons saying that "Dealers can craft their own gem into their weapons when they learn the skill." Yet you already deleted the section describing the different classes so any readers won't have a clue what your talking about anyway, similar is the edit done here: http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Heatseeker_%28video_game%29&diff=prev&oldid=308365699

Comprehensive does not mean that wikipedia is an indiscriminate colletion of information. There are various guidelines and rules that content must adhere to, in this particular case it's WP:VG/GL, more specifically WP:GAMECRUFT, and WP:GAMEGUIDE. This is why listings of characters, items, weapons and so on are usually to be avoided. 16:10, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Read the top of the pages, Eik. Specifically:

This page documents an English Wikipedia guideline. It is a generally accepted standard that editors should follow, though it should be treated with common sense and the occasional exception. When editing this page, please ensure that your revision reflects consensus. When in doubt, discuss your idea on the talk page.

You seem to keep removing information from articles, which has been deemed valuable and relevant by other contributors. In other words, your edits defy consensus. Please re-evaluate your methodology and take use of discussion pages before making further drastic cuts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackinches (talk • contribs) 08:13, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

You are right. There is a problem, though. Whenever you try to use a game article's discussion page, there is generally no-one to respond. This is the problem I ran into repeatedly: No-one really cares, and the anonymous IPs who do are the ones who have clogged up the article in the first place; there is usually no arguing with them, as they are not familiar with the basic tenets of Wikipedia. For an example of this, check the comment at the top here. He deleted it, but you can check the history and see for yourself. As he saw, or sees it, there is a Simple Wikipedia and a normal Wikipedia, and therefore the normal English encyclopedia should be bloated to hell with gamecruft. I can't claim exception to discussion, but there is none, even when I try. Also, in my defense: Silence implies consent. In video game articles, though, silence usually means no-one cares, as far as I've seen. Case in point: The Delta Force: Land Warrior article. The article stood for 4 years the way it did. Edits consisted of gamecruft and excessive vandalism, 50/50. The way I see it, I have to be bold on video game articles, because not many will; they won't bother. I myself have passed so many video game articles because I wouldn't even know where to start with them. 15:22, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Thief DS

Why do you keep deleting the Characters list on thief DS? Those characters are NOT mentioned on the Thief series page. Get your facts straight. And if you're no good at contributing anything, note that you're not making yourself helpful by deleting content. As stated above, just because no one raises an exception to your bad behavior doesn't mean your behavior is correct. -- Tom Jenkins ^(reply) 00:07, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I always try to keep lists of any sort out of video game articles, especially when there are broader articles such as the Thief series page. Those characters were not mentioned there, but optimally, the list should be moved there. That's how I see it. Eik Corell (talk) 15:33, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Is it just that you dislike the format of a list? How about if that were a paragraph, would you like it or accept it then? (like IGI2's characters) As I see it, those characters are new to the series, and make a first and last appearance in TDS... so... I'm wondering it such characters would be appropriate in the main article. Anyways, if you can give me some reasons, ie. show me why those characters should be in the main series article and NOT in the game article, I'll merge them with the main list. Thanks for your cooperative reply, and sorry for being aggressive. -- Tom Jenkins ^(reply) 19:40, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

It's partly the formatting. It would be best if any relevant details were weaved into the plot section, but that presents another problem - The plot section is already way too long and overly detailed, so the info moved would have to be minimal, preserving only important info, like that of new characters. Eik Corell (talk) 23:28, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm further confused! I actually liked the idea of a characters section since you can include a bit more background info, which might be irrelevant in the plot section. Its like in a movie, you like to know the major characters so that gives you a feel of the plot. Same here with games, I'm sure people would like all the characters grouped up for easy consumption. I think this discussion is making its way towards anti-Character sections. Am I right? I thought this was simply about which article the characters should be described in. -- Tom Jenkins ^(reply) 01:31, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Rappelz‎ and others

Hi why did you remove the internal links to the other gpotato games documented on the Wikipedia? (Jasenm222 (talk) 14:16, 24 August 2009 (UTC))

Thought I had replied to this. If we were to add a list of other games developers have made to every video game article, video game articles would become bloated to hell. Another way of looking at it is this way: Is the article about what other works they've done or the game itself? A list of games is more suitable for the company's wiki article, gpotato doesn't seem to have one, though. 00:39, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I'm new here. The gpotato page will be added in the near future. I'm used to tying my pages together. That is why I added those internal links. Some of those pages were tagged as needing more links. Luna online is tagged as an orphan.(Jasenm222 (talk) 10:54, 25 August 2009 (UTC))

Oni article edit

Hello, I noticed you removed an external link recently, citing WP:EL. As you know, there are three sets of criteria for WP:EL -- WP:ELYES, WP:ELNO, and WP:ELMAYBE. ELMAYBE allows for a knowledgeable source to be used as an external link when it adds useful information beyond what the article offers.

While there are two external links for the article that lead to official pages about the game, technically they add no valuable information to the article. In fact, without that one link to bungie.org, one cannot tell that the game has been the subject of eight years of research and effort by fans who are updating and adding to the game's content as well as providing technical help to players (the only support the game has at all). Without that one link the game appears to be an inert fossil from 2001.

It would even be warranted to mention the community's efforts in the article itself, owing to the somewhat unusual circumstances surrounding the game, but instead a simple 77 characters has been used to lead the reader to that information, which seems like a very reasonable usage of space considering how much information is behind that link. So, would you please reconsider your edit? --Iritscen (talk) 15:27, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

There's one thing I don't understand; Bungie is the developer, and these forums are hosted on their website, so does that mean it's the official forums? I'm a bit confused over this one. If it's set up by Bungie, it could most probably be added again, just without the "(fan site with latest news and mods)" part. 18:31, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, bungie.org is a fan site (Cf. halo.bungie.org, the most well-known part of the site). Bungie.net is the official company site (and .com redirects there). But Bungie no longer owns the game, Take Two does. When T2 acquired the property as Bungie joined Microsoft, they basically sat on it. This is why I advocate keeping the fan site link, because the official sites have not been updated since 2001, so bungie.org is the only place readers will find support/mods for the game. --Iritscen (talk) 19:15, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Bungie.org's particularly close with Bungie, too. They're what you could call an "official fan site". --Iritscen (talk) 20:47, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I know that often fan site links are frowned upon, but seeing as bungie.org is such a valuable resource for support and mods, and it is considered informally reliable by gamers even though it may not meet encyclopedic standards for reliability, I would say it fits under WP:ELMAYBE, point #4. What's your feeling on this? Thanks. --Iritscen (talk) 12:43, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Problem is, that site doesn't have information about the game. "Sites which fail to meet criteria for reliable sources yet still contain information about the subject of the article from knowledgeable sources." in light of that, I don't see how the forum provides an insight surpassing that of the article. Gamers are usually knowledgeable about games, but can their opinions on a forum contribute? That's what I don't get. 13:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I guess the problem is that oni.bungie.org redirects to the forum these days, so at first, it looks like all there is. But there's also a wiki (wiki.oni2.net) and a mod server (mods.oni2.net) which are linked to from the forum. These sites show the ongoing work to extend and improve the game which official pages fail to mention (you might be surprised, but the download counts for the patches are in the high hundreds since they started being counted a few months ago).

On the subject of the forum, the value there is not opinions, but that they are currently supporting the game singlehandedly. In other words, the whole reason the game even runs on modern computers is this group of fans. When people have trouble with the game, this is the place to ask.

I'll tell you what, I know the site admin is going to create a new page soon that will direct people around the community better, so they can find the wiki and the mod server more easily. Probably, if you consent to having any link to the community in the article, you'd prefer that general page to a forum link. Maybe I can let you know when it's up and you can consider it then? --Iritscen (talk) 16:15, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

This presents a different problem - Wikipedia is not a place for support, and in turn, recommendations for places to get it. If it was, Wikipedia would be flooded with links to files, forums, and all kinds of places. Many older games have what could be referred to as an "active" fan base. Unless any of these have received coverage from reliable sources, they cannot be included. Also, given the context of how the game is actually "dead" now, I don't think it's appropriate to put links to forums or unofficial fan sites on the article, it would only serve as advertising in my opinion. 21:10, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I hadn't thought about it from that perspective. You're right that WP articles are not for providing technical support links, and people can find support on their own with their search engine of choice. However, I do feel that in the context of video game articles, it is appropriate to link to any community that produces mods for the game. Nevertheless, I understand that your mindset comes from the policies that WP has set, so it seems that my issue is not with your edit, but with the current policy for video game article links. So, if you hold to your opinion, I will respect that. --Iritscen (talk) 14:16, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

That IP address has been reverting my edits for mongths now, on many different articles. Thank you for helping. Geoff B (talk) 09:42, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.171.175.122 is another one of his. Geoff B (talk) 22:13, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Which articles was it mainly, and I'll look him up and report him now. I've forgotten where his nonsense started. Geoff B (talk) 18:42, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, missed your message - Heatseeker_(video_game) and Blood_and_Ice_Cream_Trilogy, in that order. It seems that he was the initial creator of the latter article. Eik Corell (talk) 18:58, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Reported him. Geoff B (talk) 16:47, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry about reverting him, let's see if this report does any good. Geoff B (talk) 18:18, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Right, let's try a SPI. Geoff B (talk) 20:18, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

And now an edit filter. Geoff B (talk) 20:20, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Edit warring

You might want to consider requesting page protection in future (and waiting for the article to be locked before reverting to the last good version), rather than prolonging a boring edit war. WP:3RR does have an exception for reverting banned users, but it still spams up the page history. --McGeddon (talk) 15:22, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

AIV

Who is the "unresponsive user" you mention in your AIV report. The edits from the IP seem fine. Mjroots (talk) 10:33, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Check the user's latest edits, more specifcally, check the articles' history pages and you will find the slew of other IPs used by the anonymous user. Check the contributions of those IP's as well and you will find the many other articles they try to add original research, gameguide stuff and trivia to month after after month after month. Eik Corell 11:30, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Rose online private servers

Hi, I don't agree with you on removing the information about the private servers. After the official servers went from the iRose style to the Evolution style ROSE a lot of iRose style private servers came into existence to accommodate those who preferred this. There are quite a few of them and some have a team that develops completely new content on top of this (endgame, raids/instances). In the discussion of the article it is mentioned that these private servers as such are not illegal and from my personal experience I can say that many thousands of people play on these private servers (I have no info on the official ones).

The problem is that this is not an officially supported feature, and unless the existance of these private servers have received third-party coverage by reliable sources, for example Gamespot, IGN, or other notable gaming news sites. If the game's website mentions the existence of these servers, you you also use that as a reference for the info, provided that these servers are actually legal. If nothing can be found to support it, then it can't be included. Eik Corell 19:59, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Odd revert

Not sure what you did here [1], but in reverting this [2] you somehow blanked a couple ELs. not even sure why those would have gotten hit. I've fixed them.--Crossmr (talk) 15:20, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

No idea how they got taken out, I just reverted the blanking edits... strange. Eik Corell 15:44, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Unreal Tournament 3

(About 666000Kb)

Why you have removed my text? Please do not delete more without a reason explanation. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.40.64.133 (talk) 20:46, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

It's simply not relevant to the article - It's trivia information, like listing easter eggs or how something said could be reference to something... It's typically not suited for articles. Eik Corell 21:21, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

It's trivia information for you, however not for me or other christians! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.40.64.179 (talk) 22:11, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: FPS Creator

Hello Eik Corell, and thanks for your work patrolling new changes. I am just informing you that I declined the speedy deletion of FPS Creator - a page you tagged - because: A7 does not apply to software. Please review the criteria for speedy deletion before tagging further pages. If you have any questions or problems, please let me know. NW (Talk) 04:54, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Signature

Could you fix your signature please? I noticed on the AN/I thread, there is no link your signature. Per Wikipedia:SIGNATURE#Internal_links you need to have a link to either your userpage/talk page/contrib page or some combination there of.--Crossmr (talk) 04:41, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

It started not working all of a sudden and I assumed it was some sort of misguided feature like users seeing only the signatures of other as hotlinks and not their own. Anyway, got it fixed now. Eik Corell (talk) 04:51, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Take No Prisoners (video game)

Why did you remove 3/4 of Take No Prisoners (video game) article?... Klow (talk) 22:06, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I restored a bit of it, but it is still not sufficient. On second though I shouldn't have removed it because of that. The multiplayer ports thing, however, I removed per WP:GAMEGUIDE. Eik Corell (talk) 23:05, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

STALKER call of pripyat (video game)

Thank you for reading over the information i put into the article, i am new to wikipedia editing and i found the article quite bear. Thinking i have beaten the game twice i decided to add information. Though you got rid of some sections which i thought should stay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.17.11 (talk) 03:32, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Edit warring again

You really should consider requesting page protection if an article is being vandalised by a shifting range of IPs. I'd also recommend reading about the value of slow reverts. Filling up the page history with a short-term back-and-forth edit war (without even warning the IP on their talk page) really isn't a great use of your time. --McGeddon (talk) 01:54, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Ogame in List of massively multiplayer online role-playing games

Not that I'm particularly fond of it and even playing it, but Ogame seems a pretty big game (the site is around 500-550 in the Alexa ranking) and it has a Wikipedia page. It may be browser-based and in space, but I still think both the "Massively Multiplauer Online" and the "Role Playing game" qualificatives apply here. In short, I'm just curious as to why you deleted Ogame from the MMORPG list. I'm not really lobbying for its inclusion, just wondering and trying to better understand the Wikipedia rules. Thanks in advance Chealar —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chealar (talk • contribs) 14:58, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

My primary concern is that it's not notable - The article has few if any reliable sources establishing its notability. People add a lot of entries to this list, and most of the time, they're not important enough to be listed. Eik Corell (talk) 19:36, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Eik Corell. You have new messages at Bsmithme's talk page.
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  bsmithme  02:55, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism and Edit Warring

You keep engaging in vandalism (unnecessary content deletion) and edit warring (recently violated 3 Revert Rule AGAIN) while constantly acting against the community consensus. It might be beneficial if you for once added something instead of destroying everything in sight. I'd like to ask you to at least leave the Little Big Adventure articles alone. That's all I'm asking for. We will not let you vandalise it no matter what you do. It will be better for all of us if you just drop it. Thank you. OutOfTimer ^{Wanna chat?} 23:50, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm tired of your complaints. If you have specific ones related to the guidelines I link to, please, do share them. Otherwise, read them. If you did, you would know that accusing another editor of vandalism without them being a vandal is breach of policy, so please don't. Eik Corell (talk) 00:48, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

December 2009

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Little Big Adventure‎. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing. OutOfTimer ^{Wanna chat?} 16:38, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

ANI

You are mentioned here [3] --NeilN ^{talk to me} 18:27, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Credible sources

Hey... you removed a reference I put for the release date for STALKER: Call of Pripyat. Why is this not a reliable source? The text on the web page is Directly from the publisher itself, it is a press release that is sent out to various game websites. It doesn't get any more credible then that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.110.227.160 (talk) 22:25, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

The problem I'm having is that the source used is not a recognized, and notable source. I can't find the press release posted on any of the official websites, not even a hint of it. The game's official bit-composer page still says "1st Quarter 2010". Eik Corell (talk) 01:53, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

ANI Again

Cheers [4] --NeilN ^{talk to me} 23:34, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Formal apology for my bad behavior

Hereby, I formally apologize to Eik Corell, and Rehevkor, for my bad behavior until now. I promise I'll stop pushing my Versions table into this aritcle. I have decided to copy it onto my personal website about these games, The Island CX, and leave it there. It has more relevance there, than it has here. - OBrasilo (talk) 01:25, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

C. Monique Berry

C. Monique Berry is a verified source. She has the role of first-assistant director and location manager for the movie Undefeatable. Check IMDB--Internet Movie Database.

Advanced researchfinis coronat opus (talk) 01:58, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't see how she is in any way worthy of mention - Her main discernible role in the movie is playing a background character. It would be different if she was a very popular politician, but I can't find any reliable third-party coverage that establish her notability. Another way of looking at it is - If she was popular enough, it wouldn't be important to describe in such details who she is. Hope this helps. Eik Corell (talk) 02:45, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

The notion that you cannot find any third-party coverage that establishes C. Monique Berry is absolutely absurd and preposterous. I have read your other posts regarding people who you have tried to belittle over time. Also, it appears as if you are primarily a video game reviewer. FYI, C. Monique Berry ran for the 41st District House of Delegates in the States of Virginia during an important political campaign that was being monitored by individuals and organizations throughout North America--not just by persons in the State of Virginia. The past elections were incredibly important to not only the State of Virginia, but also to outside individuals and organizations in that the former Democratic governor was succeeded by a Republican candidate. C. Monique Berry's run for office prevented a major Republican opponent from being elected in her district, which helped shift the overall power balance in the State of Virginia back to the Democrats. As a result of Ms. Berry's efforts, she was contacted by Democratic incumbent Dave Marsden (D-Burke 37 District VA Special Elections) who personally asked C. Monique Berry to endorse him for his election campaign to the U.S. Senate.

Your motives and speedy removal of Ms. Berry's inclusion in the Wikipedia page for the movie Undefeatable for which C. Monique Berry clearly has THREE ROLES according to the popular and quite accurate Internet Movie Database (IMDB), are highly questionable and highly suspicious.

Ms. Berry had an integral role in the making of the movie Undefeatable. For you to deny these facts, let alone claim that you could not/cannot find any third-party verification of C. Monique Berry, brings into question your journalistic integrity and scruples. Furthermore, Google is the most popular Web site on the planet. A quick search of "C. Monique Berry" easily reveals that she is CLEARLY THIRD-PARTY VERIFIED, as she appeared in the U.S. Capital Region’s Washington Post Newspaper, the State of Virginia’s Connections Newspaper, the Jewish Community Relations Council (JCRC) for the DMV (District of Columbia, Maryland and Virginia) among other media and that she currently has an online tv show http://moniqueberry.webs.com/cmoniqueberrytvshow.htm

Again, C. Monique Berry has three roles in the movie Undefeatable: She has the role of first-assistant director and location manager for the movie, AS WELL AS played victim #1. You obviously and clearly failed to acknowledge these facts.

FACTS:

 Ms. Berry had an integral role in the making of the movie Undefeatable.
 C. Monique Berry has THREE ROLES in the movie Undefeatable
 C. Monique Berry was the FIRST ASSISTANT DIRECTOR ...and... location manager for the movie...and...female victim #1
 C. Monique Berry is CLEARLY THIRD-PARTY VERIFIED
 C. Monique Berry is ABSOLUTELY a notable politician, 
 C. Monique Berry is OBVIOUSLY an actress, and integral team player in the movie 
 C. Monique Berry is someone who MORE THAN DESERVES INCLUSION HERE IN THE Undefeatable Wikipedia page

For you, Eik Corell, to attempt to remove C. Monique Berry's information from the Undefeatable Wikipedia page is total nonsense and clearly demonstrates not not only your hasty and haphazard approach to 21st century Internet etiquette, but also your total lack of sincerity as the latter pertains to proper and thorough scholarly standards of research and investigation.

finis coronat opus (talk) 18:56, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

First off, please assume good faith, there's no need to take the tone you've taken. Many small-time politicians, senators and other political figures appear in a few publications, this, four articles however do establish their notability. And I'm having trouble finding these articles that have covered her. All I'm seeing are websites containing voter tallies where her votes are listed, or websites that just contain lists of Virginia politicians. I urge you to present those articles you feel establish her notability here. The fact that she has a personal website doesn't do it - Most politicians do, small or big. So please, reliable, third-party coverage. The JCRC article you mentioned I have found, and this in no way establishes notability, because that is a questionaire that has been sent to numerous politicians. A search on the text reveals another such article with the same questions addressed to another politican. I am having a hard to finding any of the stuff you cite - It's burried among results of other people. That is usually a bad sign. Eik Corell (talk) 22:24, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

I posted a response on the article talk page. Elk Corell, you are right to try to keep the discussion on the article talk page, that is where it belongs. I suggest you can just delete this from your talk page and future such posts without response. --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 19:19, 28 December 2009 (UTC) Really? Are you really having a difficult time finding information to verify C. Monique Berry? I do not believe this is true. Erstwhile, you made mention of someone's tone. Please, spare me the rhetoric. C. Monique Berry has 3 roles in the movie. Having 3 roles in a movie is not minor. She was also the first-assistant director mind you. What you ought to do is go back and read what I wrote with regard to my contention that having 3 roles in a movie is not minor especially given that one of the roles is first-assistant director. Furthermore, your claim that there is consensus about what you have conceded is absolutely silly. You cannot convince me that having 3 roles in this movie Undefeatable is not significant enough to warrant inclusion in the Wikipedia article. C. Monique Berry's roles were not all insignificant or minor for that matter. Also, you cannot convince me that C. Monique Berry's political activities are minor either. Once again, it appears as if you have not truly accepted these facts. Also, given that you are so adamant about constantly removing the credit given to C. Monique Berry in the Wikipedia article, suggests that you have some third-party interest in mind and that you are very much against the actor/location manager/first-assistant director. I cannot imagine that you are a true authority on the film, nor is it my inclination that you have a vested interest in history or truth. It appears as if your primary activity is to disregard various, important contributions to Wikipedia. BTW, here is more info that I found on C. Monique Berry that you seem to have a difficult time finding:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/23/AR2009102303810.html

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=333115&paper=63&cat=109

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2009/elections/va/

http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:7WwYPb3pJPQJ:www.facebook.com/pages/Delegate-Dave-Marsden/54577028471+c.+monique+berry+washington+post&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

http://www.theamericanconservatives.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=909&Itemid=72

http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:7TcDZSLX1UMJ:www.fairfaxtimes.com/cms/story.php%3Fid%3D527+c.+monique+berry+washington+post&cd=11&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

I can keep going. The notion that you were only able to find one publication with her name in it related to her campaign is preposterous. C. Monique Berry is clearly third-party verified. As I said above, "I cannot imagine that you are a true authority on the film, nor is my inclination that you have a vested interest in history or truth. It appears as if your primary activity is to disregard various, important contributions to Wikipedia."

You are clearly in denial about the truth here. You have demonstrated on multiple occasions that you have sidestepped reality and that you have no interest in truth. 3 roles in a movie does NOT equate to a minor role not worthy of inclusion in the Wikipedia article.

finis coronat opus (talk) 23:35, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

About Tanki Online

Hi Eik. I want to add the proper version of the page Tanki Online but before i'd like you to read the translation and approve it. can you leave your email here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jane Star (talk • contribs) 07:34, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Hey there. I'm a little confused as to what kind of translation it will be. I'll gladly take a look, though. It would be best if added the page in your own sandbox here: [5], that'll create an extra page on your user page. Go to that page and add the stuff there, and then I'll take a look at it. Eik Corell (talk) 14:30, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Eik, view the page at http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:Jane_Star/Sandbox please don't pay attention to design. I just need you to approve the text itself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jane Star (talk • contribs) 09:49, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

a question

A question was asked me at my talk page, about some articles you have been working on; I responded there at [6]. As you see, I basically support your edits, but perhaps there is a middle way. DGG ( talk ) 14:59, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I sent the above message to keep you aware, and to give you the option of referring to it as a third opinion supporting you. If you need any support in your good editing, just let me know. DGG ( talk ) 16:45, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for informing me. This happens once in a while due to the kind of edits I do on video game articles per WP:GAMECRUFT and WP:GAMEGUIDE. Also, thank you for the support - It has indeed been a problem regarding consensus. I can talk about rules until the cows come home, but the problem of consensus is still there, even it's skewed against me by meatpuppeting. Eik Corell (talk) 17:31, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Arx Fatalis purchase links question

Could you please explain your Arx Fatalis article edit here? Thank you in advance! -- Janizdreg (talk) 00:04, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Hey. My specific concerns were these: Links to games' sections on known websites or networks, planethalflife.com for example, are normally to be be avoided because it can be contrued as showing favoritism to one specific site. And when you go down this road, there are countless of other sites with equal notability, and at that point, you have two choices: Include anything you find, which is obviously not a good idea.

Now that was the gamesplanet entry. As far as GOG goes, my concern is self-promotion. While GOG is undoubtably a valuable resource as far as old games go and their continued distribution goes, sticking a link to a game's page on that site, as I perceive it, is a form of advertising. Having said all of that, I would like to get this particular issue clarified for personal reason, as in this case, I operated by what I have observed and read of the video game guidelines, so I'm going to bring in an experienced long-time editor to make sure I'm not completely off the ball on this one. Eik Corell (talk) 01:13, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Elk Corell asked me to comment.

The general rule at EL is to link to the site with the fullest information--subject to the WP:ELNO criteria for links normally to be avoided. The key criterion here is to avoid 5/"Links to web pages that primarily exist to sell products or services, or to web pages with objectionable amounts of advertising. " The "favoritism" criterion is a little different, to avoid "Links to sites already linked through Wikipedia sourcing tools. For example, instead of linking to a commercial bookstore site, consider the "ISBN" linking format, which gives readers an opportunity to search a wide variety of free and non-free book sources." -- when that became available, we were able to remove most links to Amazon. I do not think there is such a tool available for this material, so we would balance the amount of information with the amount of advertising. I see no mention of equity among all possible sources, but rather a practice of using whichever is on balance best for our purposes.

It is nowhere in the WP:EL guidelines, but there is a widespread view that we prefer to link to non-commercial sites. I expected to find it explicitly on the policy page, but it is not there. This may take further general discussion. Personally, I would strongly oppose our adopting a strict policy in this regard. Personally, in dealing with spam, I very drastically remove what is only promotional, but have a rather tolerant attitude to ones that are also informative. Some experienced people here tend to be less tolerant in such cases.

The rules in the VG guidelines seem more restrictive, though this is a subject area I am not very familiar with. The relevant additional restriction is to avoid "the video game's page at 1up, GameSpot, IGN, GameSpy and other commercial video game news and reviews sites - Such links can be seen as promotion of the associated commercial sites." GOG is a commercial site, and so is gamesplanet. And so is steam, which you did not remove. But again, I see nothing whatever about favoritism. I do not think that is an actual express consideration, although it is implied.

The various WikiProjects often establish their own guideline and interpretations, which sometimes substantially modify general policy--but they only have this right if the community as a whole approves of them. Just as no person owns an article, neither does any project, and project guidelines have sometimes been successfully challenged. We are not divided up into semi-autonomous subwikis. It has sometimes been suggested that we might want to do so, in order to cope with the unmanageable size of Wikipedia, and I see a good deal of virtue to this view, but I think the consensus would be very strongly to keeping the encyclopedia together, As for this particular guideline, I think it possible that the community would agree that for this class of article, the restriction is necessary.

Here's my suggestion: The VG guideline page has a list of examples that are not to be linked to under the guideline mentioned: 1up, GameSpot, IGN, & GameSpy. I suggest opening a discussion on the project talk page or the project guideline talk page about adding these three sites to that list. Don;t just boldly add it, propose it and ask for consensus. &,BTW, feel free to copy what I said to start off the discussion. DGG ( talk ) 04:10, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm not going to respond here. If you post this on the article's talk page, I will. Looking at the websites you presented, though, none of them are sufficient. Please, go to the article's talk page and argue your case as you have been asked if you feel that strongly about this. Eik Corell (talk) 02:27, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

you asked me a question; I answered, suggesting a more general approach. If you want to copy my comment intact onto another paqe, feel free to do so. DGG ( talk ) 02:22, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

I have no idea how that answer ended up in response to your post - My message above was supposed to have been added to the discussion regarding "C. Monique Berry" elsewhere on my talk-page. Eik Corell (talk) 03:28, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Close Combat Main Page and Game Pages

I read the guideline.

The wording is this... most not all & avoided not deleted. It is the only comprehensive website containing techsupport, mods and activities for each game. The forum is frequented and input produced by the game's developers. Close Combat is 13 years old. It has been sold and resold throughout the years to many different game developers. The links that survived this decade long bidding war may seem valid but offer no good content to find out more information on all games, let alone more than a couple. All those criteria, 1 thru 19 are very subjective and open to a lot of interpretation.

I can't understand why a site THE ONLY SITE that contains all game patches, mods and techsupport for each game of the series does not meet the criteria. If you cannot make exceptions to a rule that states "normally avoided & most" then you are doing a disservice to people looking for more information on the games. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mooxe (talk • contribs) 05:17, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Close Combat series

I've re-added the edit Mooxe (talk · contribs) had; I've tidied it up, though. Acceptable in this form? HalfShadow 17:45, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Yep, seems to be informative without delving into unnecessary details. Eik Corell (talk) 23:03, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

He did add some useful information, and it seemed a waste to just throw it away. I try to go for the middle ground if I can. HalfShadow 23:44, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

S.T.A.L.K.E.R

Sorry; you are right. I got wrong impression about release date. I came there from a different (apparently obsolete) page which said "will be released" and I forgot to double check. Dzied Bulbash (talk) 23:39, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Tanki Online

Eik, view the page at http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:Jane_Star/Sandbox please don't pay attention to design. I just need you to approve the text itself. Waiting for your prompt response —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jane Star (talk • contribs) 08:04, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

I've been a bit busy, I'll have a look later today or tomorrow. Eik Corell (talk) 08:09, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

That's ok, thanks. Let me know as soon as you've had a look at it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jane Star (talk • contribs) 11:06, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Gillian Anderon's Voice in Hellbender

Can I ask when you removed that info from the Hellbender page? It's one of the things that the game was most noted for at the time, and mentioned in about 25% of ANY Google hits about the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulmoloney (talk • contribs) 17:13, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Tanki Online

Eik, did you manage to review the translation of the russian page Tanki Online here http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:Jane_Star/Sandbox ?

I'm still waiting for your reply. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.241.206.134 (talk) 06:59, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I couldn't get to it until now, I'll work on it today. Eik Corell (talk) 11:31, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Half-Life Dedicated Server

Hello Eik Corell. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Half-Life Dedicated Server, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: A7 does not apply to software. Thank you. GedUK  18:13, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Alright. I keep running into this one. I know there's a more relevant tag somewhere. The thing is, I've made this mistake before - A7 being declined, and another, more appropriate one being stuck on the article by another user instead, but for the life of me I cannot find the correct one. Eik Corell (talk) 19:38, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

BFBC2 Edit's

Explain to me why a description of gameplay which is in the Wiki above in not wrong, but a description of gameplay for the 360 demo IS Unecyclopedic... that is a bit contradictory in my opinion. Speaking of opinions, my additions werent very opinionated, and full of facts. If you owned a 360, and actually played the demo for yourself, you would see that its all FACT.. also you have reverted changes to facts that i have made, like AKS-74U being an unlock for GameStop pre-orders only... that is a FACT... not to mention i fixed the actual spelling of it, they forgot the "U" in the title of the gun... Lastly i notice in your history you do not contribute anything to Wikipedia... you seem to phish around for articles which your interested in and just remove content all day long... quite sad really, you should try contributing as much as you revert changes too... Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.162.8.58 (talk) 17:25, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

If you think its poorly written, then its a contextual, gramatical or spelling issue, in which you should fix it. Do not just remove entire piece's of articles, challenge it openly, or in the talk section. I have noticed you have had MANY people of higher ranking than yourself within wikipedia, complain about your wreckless destructive behavior, and you have been warned many times and complained to many times by MANY people... please review complaints filed against yourself, and maybe change your style of editing, because its not needed in this community. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.162.8.58 (talk) 17:53, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Poorly written is to be interpretted like this: The stuff you're trying to add, is either indiscriminate info of doubtful relevance. WP:NOT deals with this specifically. Next, you tried using yourself as a reference, that is not allowed. Basically, what you wanted to add was your own personal experience, such as the info about the joypads. Summing it all up: You violated WP:OR, WP:RS, WP:GAMECRUFT and WP:GAMEGUIDE. Eik Corell (talk) 18:10, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Re: Battlefield Bad Company 2

I would report them at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism --Teancum (talk) 18:00, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Tanki Online

A week has passed. Eik, did you manage to review the translation of the russian page Tanki Online here http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:Jane_Star/Sandbox ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.241.206.134 (talk) 08:27, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I have changed the first section, haven't had time to look at the rest just yet. Eik Corell (talk) 21:44, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Eik, any news on English version of Tanki Online page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.241.206.134 (talk) 07:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

New

See #Thief_DS

February 2010

Welcome, and thank you for your attempt to lighten up Wikipedia. However, this is an encyclopedia and the articles are intended to be serious, so please don't make joke edits. Readers looking for accurate information will not find them amusing. If you'd like to experiment with editing, try the sandbox, where you can write practically anything you want. –xeno^talk 20:20, 19 February 2010 (UTC)