User talk:Bishonen

Bishzilla

RFAR SAQ sanctions

RFAR Noleander evidence

Sock appeal: Come back Jack !

agreement withdrawn

OK.

moar @ WP:DRAMA...

Post some messages below, please.

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:)

Point taken. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 14:17, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Just checkin in

Is 'Please post messages below' a request or an instruction? Either way, Chère, I'll comply. I'm back from my much-needed wikibreak and ready to get to work. As a gesture of solidarity with Gold Hat, I've made my own sock to partition my editing & watchlist. Taking a leaf from the twins, I thought it would be useful to have an avatar that could be a little more 'radical' when necessary. Many thanks for the inspiration! --Famously Sharp (talk) 01:35, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Neither, it's an order, and I hope it's clearer now. Is this.. uh.. the famously bitey twin? Bishonen | talk 02:21, 9 March 2011 (UTC).

Duly posting to avoid the wrath of Darwinbish or any of her ilk. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 02:33, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

[Thoughtfully ] Ilk, eh? [Goes off to create scary sock of her own: Little Ilk ] ! darwinbish ^BITE 02:55, 9 March 2011 (UTC).

This is actually the ... famously prohibited bad-hand account. You can tell that by the inappropriate pages that he links to. --Famously Sharp (talk) 02:38, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

[Darwinfish, a great admirer of Famously Mild, runs off in horror when he sees the scary fishing rod page. ] Yikes! Where did good-hand account go!? darwin^fish 02:49, 9 March 2011 (UTC).

Still around

Thanks for the note. I've been inactive, but I might get around to doing something on Wikipedia when I have time.

Yes, I'm okay -- sore from walking 15 km to get home from the office because the trains stopped running, but okay -- but other than massive inconvenience and some isolated structural damage Tokyo was okay, unlike those poor people up in Sendai and Miyagi prefecture.

Personally, I was astonished at how fast Wikipedia whipped up an entry on the disaster, and how, ironically enough, I knew too little -- despite being in the middle of the thing -- to reliably contribute. --Calton | Talk 04:36, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I read about Sendai. It's only too easy to imagine Armageddon in a university town (I'm a uni teacher myself). Great to hear from you! Bishonen | talk 05:36, 12 March 2011 (UTC).

Baby Tex

I've started a thread at WP:VPT#Error trying to lift a block to see if we can figure out what the problem with the unblocking is. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:30, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

I saw, thanks. You take a look too, Tex. This baby has been born into The Movement! Bishonen | talk 22:36, 12 March 2011 (UTC).

Just posted on Pump - I blocked Adam Cuerden on Thursday night for a couple of hours (to keep him from digging a deeper hole), and when I tried to unblock him it gave that same message. In the end, I reset the block end date to 10.00 as the town hall clock struck the hour, and that worked.--Elen of the Roads (talk) 22:54, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Waaahhhh!!!! HJ big meanie!!! Baby Tex (talk) 16:37, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Baby, will you please quit crying? Don't make me strap you in to the car seat and take you for a drive. That seems to be the only time you sleep! Tex (talk) 16:39, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

[Bishzilla cautiously straps Baby Tex into pocket of spiderman suit. Baby begins to snore faintly. ] Go to sleep, all little users! [Gosh, Bishzilla is as mild as User: Famously Mild these days! A bad business! Darwinbish looks at her with distaste and suspicion. ] bishzilla _ROARR!! 23:55, 15 March 2011 (UTC).

My, my...a kinder, gentler 'Zilla these days. She must be planning something big! Tex (talk) 14:29, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, I dunno. Starting a baby collection in her pocket seems a little sinister to me. Weenie Bishonen | talk 05:39, 17 March 2011 (UTC).

Well - it's always a good thing to open your heart to new arrival — Ched :  ?  10:19, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

OOOOOO-kay then ... that didn't work out so well did it? ... let's try this link: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/monkey-babies-couples-treat-adopted-monkids-children/story?id=8723105

That works! Tex, does your baby look anything like that one? Very cute! Bishonen | talk 14:21, 17 March 2011 (UTC).

(pfft .. hey - it's been a while since I did this WP thing, luck I remembered "HOW" to sign my sig ... well ... 2 outta 3 times anyway. :) — Ched :  ?  10:24, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Ched, nice to see you back! Check out your young friend User:Bishapod, he has refurbished his page and created a couple of socks (the Darwin twins)! Little pests! Bishonen | talk 14:21, 17 March 2011 (UTC).

Now that you mention it, why is 'Zilla putting babies in her pocket? Sinister, indeed! Tex (talk) 13:57, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

[Tactfully ] Er.. Bishzilla? You do know babies aren't snacks, right? [Bishzilla looks unconvincingly indignant. Adds User:Baby Stupid to her collection. ] Bishonen | talk 14:21, 17 March 2011 (UTC).

Deletion

Informational note: this is to let you know that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Regards, NYyankees51 (talk) 02:06, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Uh... thank you. It's not actually necessary to alert people who post in an ANI thread that there's an ANI thread they may be involved in. But I appreciate it. Bishonen | talk 05:56, 17 March 2011 (UTC).

Could you restore the userbox and take it to MfD please? I don't think this out-of-process deletion was appropriate because it is controversial and there is not currently consensus for it on the ANI thread. Thank you — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:35, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

I agree with MSGJ. There is no speedy criteria for this and admins shouldn't be speedy deleting things via IAR without a heck of a good reason. I don't see harm in letting it hang out for a week. Please restore and take it to MfD. Hobit (talk) 15:04, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

FYI: @ Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2011 March 17 — Scientizzle 15:09, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

(e/c) No, I'm afraid I won't do that. Anyway, I see Prodego already has, which is fine by me. In my opinion, I had good reason to speedy delete that userbox. Personally, I dislike all political userboxes, and therefore dislike all or nearly all of NYyankees51 boxes; but that wasn't the reason I deleted the "heartbeat" box. Political boxes are currently allowed, and I go by that, not by my personal opinion. The reason for my deletion was instead that I don't think the heartbeat box is a userbox at all. Consider the definition on Wikipedia:Userboxes:

A userbox is a small colored box designed to appear only on a Wikipedian's user page as a communicative notice about the user, in order to directly (or even indirectly) help Wikipedians collaborate more effectively on articles.

The userbox definition will perhaps stand some stretching—many boxes are social rather than being anything to do with collaborating effectively, and the community seems to like it like that—but not this much. The main problem is that the heartbeat box is not a communicative notice about NYyankees51; it's more like a polemical statement on a forum (compare WP:NOTFORUM). Socially, it's extremely aggressive, and I'm quite unimpressed by NYyankees51's defense that it's merely "medical fact" etc. Sorry, NYyankees51, but there is no way you can be unaware of how touchy and inflammatory this issue is. My WP:AGF will only go so far. Bishonen | talk 15:15, 17 March 2011 (UTC).

I'd like to offer my thoughts on this topic. I share the idea that userboxes of this nature are not helpful to WP.

1. It seems clear that the userbox in question fails to meet the criteria of WP:Userboxes, in that it is not communicating, per se, about the user (although it does provide information from which one can infer, rightly or wrongly, that the user is opposed to abortion).
2. It is also not clear that the contents of the userbox, in at least its original incarnation, was verifiably true.

As a thought exercise, consider that I were to create a userbox that stated "The only real Golden Retriever is the American type".

• The content of this userbox is not describing me, per se (but one could infer that I have a strong opinion in favor of American-type Goldens)
• The content of this userbox does not appear to be verifiably true (per the referenced article).

Would this userbox be subject to deletion? I suspect that in practice, no, because, while controversial perhaps to some other Golden Retriever aficionados, it is not as controversial as positions on abortion, politics, or religion.

Cheers and best regards, JoeSperrazza (talk) 16:07, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, Joe, in theory the Golden Retriever box would be subject to deletion, for the very reasons you outlined. And No, Joe, in practice, it wouldn't, because I can almost guarantee that no-one would be bothered. When the lineage of Golden Retrievers becomes as inflammatory a topic as abortion, I may revise my opinion. Cheers, --Famously Sharp (talk) 18:16, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Userboxes/Politics (2nd nomination)

One can hope ;/ anyone feel like fixing the mess that is the first nom? Damned, Gold Hat (talk) 00:55, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

I can request a block?

I sort of did it ad hoc. [1] TCO (talk) 00:58, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

You can, yes, though you won't necessarily be accommodated. I apply the same conditions as User:LessHeard vanU. They're strict, so please read them carefully here and think about them before putting in your request. An extra condition, specific to me, is that User:Bishzilla will eat you if you attempt to evade the block. Bishonen | talk 01:40, 19 March 2011 (UTC).

I can haz cheezburger? Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/WikiBreak Enforcer --RexxS (talk) 01:42, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't find the Enforcer that useful, actually—it's too easy to get out. And no, you can't haz cheezburger, Darwinbish is having them all as we speak. Bishonen | talk 01:50, 19 March 2011 (UTC).

I would have failed for all of this.

• You cannot have any recent warnings for vandalism or other bad-faith edits.
• You cannot be "under a cloud." If there is a current discussion at the admin noticeboard or elsewhere regarding a possible block of your account your request will not be considered.
• If you have ever been blocked for abusing multiple accounts your request will not be considered.
• You must also otherwise be considered an user in good standing.
• Wikipedia is not therapy. The more often you ask to be blocked the lower the chances are that I will do it for you.

Of course if I were really a man, I would have just posted tubgirl instead of ban my fatass bitch. Interestingly, it led to a permaban instead of a short one. Except you all here are so weak, you did not keep me permabanned. Tsk tsk. TCO (talk) 01:55, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

All those? [/me is horrified, while darwinbish is distinctly interested by this impressive collection. ] Maybe you'd better check out the rest of the Category:Wikipedia administrators willing to consider placing self-requested blocks, then, and look for some admin weenie enough to block you. Bishonen | talk 02:13, 19 March 2011 (UTC).

TCO, give me your password...I'll make sure you get blocked.

Real men can walk away for a while and then come back if they want to...or not. The weather is nice now; find a bicycle and get to it. Take plenty of pictures...you can upload them to Commons later when you come back. Turtles will be popping their heads out soon...go find some....turtle soup is good for you.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 02:44, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

I got my fat ass down to 10% bf. Gained 60% average on lifting. And got the measurements from dangesous down to 99/58, 62. And biked a lot. Big salads!!!!!TCO (talk) 02:52, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

And the list is featured, I see. :-)Probably because of my brilliant remarks. Congradulations! Bishonen | talk 20:20, 19 March 2011 (UTC).

HuggumZ! I smooch your sharp toothed fish-reptile-ness!TCO (talk) 00:18, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, you schizo reptile-fish-person

Go Wiki! Go reptiles! Go USA!

Thank you for the fun interaction and with working together...and putting up with me. And with Jack. Hope we can collaborate more in the future. We already got the star, but feel free to help the article get better anyhow!

Don't bite me, Hammer! TCO (talk) 00:17, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

The Ancestral One

You just wait till I'm an admin, then you'll see fun interaction, reptile man! [The fun-loving darwinbish smuggles the rattlesnake into Bishzilla's pocket, having first removed the babies. In dulcet tones: ] Oh, Ancestral One! Have you read Rikki-Tikki-Tavi recently? Check your pocket, but don't look! It's a present! little ankle biter 00:53, 20 March 2011 (UTC).

You sound like the kind that would have fun working on an alligator snapping turtle article...we NEED GAs. We are not proud. Go plus signs!TCO (talk) 00:57, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

An essay about Wikipedia not being my friend

Hello, Bishonen. I seem to remember you having linked to an essay once, about how Wikipedia isn't my friend, how it doesn't wait for me to come online, and doesn't react when I do, or something like that. I honestly only have a vague recollection (which is why I want to re-read it). Was that you? Does it ring a bell? If so, can you find it for me? Thanks! ---Sluzzelin talk 01:26, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Noo.. I don't think that was me. It sounds more like Geogre, actually. I'm always telling people not to think they're famous, because 90% of the present editors arrived last week, and have never heard of them.. but I don't think there's an essay about it. Maybe I ought to write one. It's a little sad, though. Who am I to tell people their cherished beliefs are lies, like Gregers Werle in The Wild Duck? (If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it's probably Henrik Ibsen.) And there's a saying that "Wikipedia isn't your mother"... hmm.. no, I got nothing. Sorry, Sluzzelin. Bishonen | talk 03:12, 21 March 2011 (UTC).

On-site searching for "Wikipedia is not your ..." gave me "... not your mother", "... not your grandmother's recipe book", and "... not amused", but nothing like what I thought I remembered. Misplaced memories, along with all the other junk. Thank you for your swift response! ---Sluzzelin talk 03:29, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. Long time. Lady Bish once mentioned something vaguely similar on my unworthy little pages. If that's perhaps what you thought of? Kosebamse (talk) 21:52, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Humm. I don't see it. Is it possible you're confusing me with some family member or other? They're getting to be as the sands on the shore in number, (and ever naughtier in character). Life is very difficult! Bishonen | talk 22:52, 4 April 2011 (UTC).

No, no, I mean, yes, yes, that must have been the source of my unreliable memory! In my head, I must have mixed together Bishonen's comment with Kosebamse's essay, maybe with a little bit of Geogre on the side. Thanks, for making and linking the connection, Kosebamse! ---Sluzzelin talk 07:46, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

I sometimes say "Do not love Wikipedia. It will not love you back.". Especially to people who are surprised and distressed to find that, after extensive devotion, they have no rights, no power, and no effective recourse against abuse. Although I haven't expanded that into an essay. Maybe I should. -- Seth Finkelstein (talk) 04:13, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

I applied to be on a reality based game show. If I get picked to be on, I think Wikipedia should send me some free t-shirts. Then it would be my friend. Hamster Sandwich (talk) 19:37, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Hamster, long time! If it's a wikipedia-based game show, it'll prolly be your friend and cover you with free t-shirts. Bishonen | talk 22:16, 23 March 2011 (UTC).

• Wikipedia is not your friend because it has too many low acheiving idiots who have no friends (for all too obvious reasons) who join the project to meet new and interesting people and then hinder the development of the project because having joined and found tens of kindred spirits, they are then encouraged to boost their low self-esteem and become admins and thwart those trying to write the project. Giacomo Returned 23:24, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

• [/me, crushed: ] Yes.. yes.. I know who you mean, how could I not? :-( [Cheers up, fleetingly: ] But at least I met you, Giacomo! That's broadened my horizons a little! :-) Bishonen | talk 00:13, 24 March 2011 (UTC).

Indeed you did meet me, and how fortunate you were. But I was not referring to you, but the great multitude of Admins who appear not to have noticed that Wikipedia is not only not their friend, but neither is it a social networking sight or some sort of therapy for the marginally and less marginally insane. Anyway enough of the sniping on such a beautiful spring morning; I was awoken today to hundreds of little birds cheeping happily outside my window - what an enchanting sound. If they do it again they are dead! Giacomo Returned 08:34, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

[Disappointed. ] And here I was hoping for some of Lady C's uniquely bracing social networking! Bishonen | talk 12:37, 24 March 2011 (UTC).

Credo accounts

400 free Wikipedia:Credo accounts available - just in case you wanted one, but didn't already have access. Anybody else you can think of who would find one useful? --RexxS (talk) 00:18, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm.. OK. (Ungracious Darwinbish-type answer, just because this reminds me of how much I want my access to the OED back. :-() Giacomo and Malleus, maybe? Tony1? Bishonen | talk 01:31, 25 March 2011 (UTC).

Well, I have online access to OED as well as Credo and ODNB through my local library's subscription, so you could always 'ping' me if you wanted something looking up or confirming. Tony will know because a notice was posted at FAC, but I'll attend to Malleus and His Excellency immediately. --RexxS (talk) 02:10, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Words of one syllable

Click here. Under "useful things", click "range contribs", copy and paste either the IP range or a list of IPs into the box. Submit. That'll give you the last 50 anon edits from your range. ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:38, 25 March 2011 (UTC

Ooo-kay. [With crazed optimism. ] I bet I'll understand most of that tomorrow morning! (Currently 4:30 AM in this timezone, yawn.. ) Bishonen | talk 03:33, 25 March 2011 (UTC).

One syllable

God, you make this hard. So: Add the eye-peas to this list. Click. Find range. Put range in box. Click eye-pea list. Click. Check for good faith eye-peas who are not mad at the Bard. Block if you want. Done. I hope this helps. If not, poke me. NW (Talk) 02:20, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Hehe. Thanks, Nucular. And now, can I have it in words of one syllable in Japanese, please? Bishonen | talk 03:33, 25 March 2011 (UTC).

I'm sorry, you've reached your monthly limit on free help from NW. It will be $15/month if you would request help in the future, and $30/month if you use one of those silly square thingies. NW (Talk) 04:05, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Waaahhhhh!!!! Baby Tex (talk) 13:38, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Oh, good grief! Well, you did only want one syllable, right Bish? Tex (talk) 13:39, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Oh, for... You won't believe this, Tex. I went get User:Baby Stupid for some monosyllabic baby conversation, but now he's been blocked! By User:Erwin, for "abusive username" (what? It even says on his babypage that he's Little Stupid's sock alternative account !) Anyway. I don't get to unblock my own sock, so I've e-mailed Erwin, and also asked HJ Mitchell to help. Sigh, this family is getting to be more trouble than they're worth. It's your fault, you know, Bishzilla! Your Bishapod has started breeding like a rabbit, what did you have to create him for? (Bishzilla sighs in complete agreement. Has long regretted creating Little Stupid. ) Bishonen | talk 16:46, 29 March 2011 (UTC).

Bishonen, it doesn't look like Erwin did that on en-wiki; his block log here is empty, which I guess makes sense since he isn't an en-wiki admin. I think this is a "global lock"; I know almost nothing about these, except that lowly en-wiki admins can't do anything about them (it appears that if it was a "global block" of an IP, we could, but I don't think we can unlock named accounts. You might ask someone smarter than me for confirmation, tho). Perhaps the block message has more info? Or perhaps there's an equivalent of... (I usually hate to advise anyone to do this, but) ...ANI on meta? It appears, if the email is unsuccessful, you can ask for help here. --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:24, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Ha! If the little babies weren't so cute, we'd have to throw them out with the bathwater, wouldn't we? Abusive username. Hehe...who is it abusing? I doubt "Little Stupid" minds having a Baby Stupid around! Anyway, come to think of it, ever since all the socks alternative accounts started showing up, Mighty 'Zilla has been much more boring maternal. When was the last time she ate a newbie? Tex (talk) 17:28, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Baby Stupid, designated "baby sturgeo-pod" by its discoverer MONGO. Note the uncanny likeness to Bishapod, though the little critter is actually a juvenile Pallid sturgeon.

Thanks, Floquenbeam. There was no block message. It took some ferreting about to find the block, in fact I'm not sure I could ever find it again. I suppose I could appeal... but then it's a little embarrassing, you know. "What do you mean abusive username, sir? The baby is merely named after Bishapod's pet name Little Stupid, and Bishapod is Bishzilla's sock, and, er.. Bishzilla is my sock, so there!" Why do I get a nasty feeling Meta would tell me to get lost and it's all my own fault? Life is very complicated. Maybe I'll simply leave the little bugger blocked. He's pretty useless anyway. Tex, your baby may be cute, but this one ain't. [/Bishonen surveys her sock drawer. Is depressed. ] Bishonen | talk 17:38, 29 March 2011 (UTC).

Cheer up, Chere. You could get an admin who knows what they are doing to add Baby Stupid to the en-wiki's Global Whitelist. See WP:GlobalBlocking:

* Local whitelisting — A user who is globally blocked can be unblocked locally (to edit the specific wiki concerned only), by any administrator, at Special:GlobalBlockWhitelist.

It may be for the best, as it would allow Baby Stupid to edit here, but prevent him from rampaging around the rest of Wikimedia. --RexxS (talk) 17:49, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

LOL, podbaby on the rampage! Excellent idea about the whitelist, I know the very person to ask. Bishonen | talk 18:55, 29 March 2011 (UTC).

Tried that already; global whitelist appears to only be for Globally Blocked IP addresses, not Globally Locked names. I looked for Special:GlobalLockWhitelist, but it doesn't seem to exist. --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:12, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Oh. Well, how about adding the baby sturgeopod to the local whitelist? In the unlikely contingency that I understand what RexxS says, that should work, shouldn't it? Bishonen | talk 19:42, 29 March 2011 (UTC).

Hopefully I've warned you enough that I'm over my head here. ("Well, then why the hell do you keep coming here and saying stuff?") In the unlikely event I understand what's going on: there does not appear to be such a thing as a local whitelist for account names; the global block whitelist is actually a local whitelist for globally blocked IP addresses. But a "lock" appears to be different, and as far as I can tell does not have a similar whitelist, and cannot be overridden locally. I hope that I'm wrong, and it's quite possible I am; I can't even find a log of Baby Stupid being globally locked, anywhere on meta, so this could very well be an example of the Dunning–Kruger effect; I know so little, I don't know how much I don't know. I'm not even 100% sure Baby Stupid is globally locked, it's just the only thing I can think of. Now, I am off to collect my award for "most useless admin". --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:47, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Don't worry, all is fixed! John Vandenberg unravelled it, and I've just noticed this! :-) LOL @the Dunning-Kruger effect. Bishonen | talk 21:02, 29 March 2011 (UTC).

I leave the wiki to its own devices for one day...! I know very little about global b/locks, which is fortunate, since crisis seems to have been averted without my help (or lack thereof!), but if it happens again, I would say your best bet is to contact a steward. I don't know any, but there's a list of them on Meta somewhere. They deal with all things global and I believe they're the ones important enough to make global blocks/locks. As far as I know, you can tell an account is globally locked by opening Special:block and entering their username (as if you were going to block them) and there'll be an "already blocked" message. The reason field usually makes some reference of a global lock and the steward responsible. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:34, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

O... K. Well, that actually sounds reasonably simple. It was a Dutch steward who blocked the poor mite, and who fixed the problem after I had fired off a stern e-mail. So much for the dangers of getting involved with the wikipedia crèche! Bishonen | talk 22:49, 29 March 2011 (UTC).

Huh?

'Nishidani, your move of only his proposed new text was frankly a little confusing, sorry.'

I moved nothing of his proposed new text.Nishidani (talk) 20:55, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Wut? Sorry, I thought that bit was part and parcel of your comments. It was confusing, anyway! ;-) (Effortfully checks the History. It was Paul. Maybe I should go and annoy him, too!) Bishonen | talk 21:10, 29 March 2011 (UTC).

No wuz. I'm getting used to it. My arse has been kicked that much I think I'd better take the hint and read Ring Lardner :) Nishidani (talk) 21:17, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Matti Nykänen

Hi Bish! Can I ask you to please take a look at Matti Nykänen? I've just done a major copyedit, and just wanted someone to check that the sources, which are mainly in some north-European language I cannot fathom, are accurately reflected in the text. Seems to be a controversial characterstripper, so I hope you can help ensure that the article is WP:BLP compliant. Thanks, --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 03:30, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, Oh, those sources are in Finnish, a language extravagantly unlike my own. (Finnish isn't even Indo-European.) I don't understand a word of it. Appealing to WikiProject Finland is probably your best bet. Bishonen | talk 17:51, 30 March 2011 (UTC).

• Thanks. I knew you were from somewhere up there, but had you for being from a few kilometres further east! ;-)

Swedes are more extrovert than Finns. (And less extrovert than the rest of the world.)

Q: How can you tell if a person is Swedish or Finnish?

A: The Swede stares at your shoes.

P.S., I've tried to disable the SineBot on this page (interfering thing!), now we shall see if it works. Bishonen | talk 07:50, 1 April 2011 (UTC).

Whoooo hooo hooo!

You are sure to know - where is the place to nominate categories for deletion. I have found this silly nonesense here Category:Haunted houses which is not only bollox, but unencyclopedic bollox. If it's allowed to remain, then Lady Catherine should become an admin and preside over it. Giacomo Returned 07:45, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

WP:CFD. Not that that would preclude Her Ladyship from becoming an admin...Nikkimaria (talk) 12:46, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you; that looks very stressful and complicated, but I will try it sometime. Giacomo Returned 18:26, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Like lightning

Thanks. Man, you're fast ! Bishonen | talk 13:22, 7 April 2011 (UTC).

Thanks :) I do my best. The tools I use really help. Gscshoyru (talk) 13:36, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

And you still had time to post all those warnings on the IP, I see. What tools are they? Bishonen | talk 13:38, 7 April 2011 (UTC).

You can see from the edit summary -- I'm using igloo. I used to use twinkle, and still do, some -- igloo automates most of the process but is really bad at some things (currently, it's still being written), whereas twinkle is easier to use on a case-by-case basis. Gscshoyru (talk) 13:43, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

File:Theophilus Cibber as Pistol.png needs authorship information.

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File:Terminator's head.jpg

• You want this?
• YOU REALLY WANT THIS??

Just delete the sucker. Bishonen | talk 22:35, 10 April 2011 (UTC).

I was trying to rescue it, not get it nuked. If you can't give an exact citation, try and provide as much information as you can recall, like "Source= Archive image now in public domain" or something :) . Sfan00 IMG (talk) 22:37, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

I can't recall a thing, but I've looked again, and added an excruciatingly detailed description of (obviously) the right image from the British Museum catalogue, and the age (created c. 1733) and the author (a certain mr. Anonymous). The images out there seem to all come from Wikipedia, though not all acknowledge it, and I've mentioned that also. So I still don't have a source, sorry. Please feel free to change my input if it isn't the right kind. Bishonen | talk 23:56, 10 April 2011 (UTC).

So it begins ... --Famously Sharp (talk) 01:41, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

And I've added {{keeplocal}}to all the Bishzilla images, to counteract the template which currently recommends admins to move them to Commons and delete them on en. File:Bishzilla spin.gif had had this done to it by some bad person, AND also had a recommendation on Commons that it be deleted on arrival! Useful to be an admin sometimes, even though I don't know what I'm doing half the time — I undeleted the en.wiki sucker, haha. Incidentally, Famously, do you think it would be safe to put it back in the "Images of users" category on Commons? :-) A very noble user by the name of Pieter Kuiper had put it there (what a charming man, Bishzilla was delighted), but then a bot had come along and boringly changed it to "User page images". :-( Bishonen | talk 21:11, 11 April 2011 (UTC).

Speaking of 'Zilla - she's such a great comic character. Have you ever considered writing a children's book based on B.'s adventures? Or better still, a children's book that's really a book for adults. Just a thought ... Gatoclass (talk) 05:11, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Comic.. ? [Bishzilla is nonplussed. ] Not usually thought of as "comic" ! [A little haughtily: ] "Popular", "amiable" and "warm-hearted" spring more readily to mind — example, little Gato see Zilla arbcom vote! [Bishzilla starts to plan a rather sad, immensely moving, book about herself on arbcom. ] bishzilla _ROARR!! 11:00, 12 April 2011 (UTC).

Absolutely - change it back. "User page images" is an ambiguous category as it may be expected to contain images of 'user pages'; "Images of users" is a much clearer category and is naturally preferred on Commons. Anyone who has followed the adventures of Arnie in the 'Terminator' series will understand the dangers of letting bots override humans, so the next time it happens, drop this image on the bot owner's page with a stern warning. --Famously Sharp (talk) 05:37, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Mary Kent for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Mary Kent is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mary Kent until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:47, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Uh.. no, quite.. I should point out that I haven't removed it. But I think you may have forgotten to add it. Bishonen | talk 12:19, 12 April 2011 (UTC).

If I'd have thought you'd actually want to talk without lolling at me I'd have asked you first. I've caught a snippet at here which says she was a minor actress. That book source you added is very good but we need a good range of sources to write a good article about her. It is exactly the sort of subject we need on wikipedia, imagine all of the stage actors missing from like 17th century etc. But we do need a few sources... Mmm I think maybe its the period and subject which accounts for the very poor coverage of her perhaps?...

In regards to your comments. Honestly I had no idea there was so many against infoboxes. I'd have to agree for biographies which rarely contain any useful statistics beyond date of birth and place of birth and spouse. Maps are my thing, so I thought it was a good thing to identify where in the city it is. If I had my own way we'd have our own proper Atlas project and the ability to make much better quality maps. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:46, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Can you find the page numbers of the book and add citations? I've withdrawn it and added a bit from what I could find, I think the severe lack of sources is more due to the period, I am well aware of hundreds of notable actors from the same period which are barely mentioned in books. She was a minor actress but her roles perhaps meet guidelines.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:11, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, no, I can't find the page numbers I'm afraid. Can't and don't want to. Come on, it's a dictionary! Alphabetical! I remember once reading in the MLA Handbook — don't remember which edition — that they deplored the bureaucratic practice of putting useless information, such as page references to alphabetical works, into citations. Also, as far as I remember it, the Mary Kent entry is perhaps a page long, so I believe a reader can navigate it for information without the help of a pepperpot of superscribed note numbers (which would all refer to the same page).

I don't really think she has poor coverage, in relation to being a minor actress. It's significant that her death date is unknown — I've done quite a few actor stubs from the period (they're listed towards the end of this page, in case you wish to delete consult them), that go with the long play articles The Relapse and The Country Wife, and I've seen that normally, while the birth date for actors may well be obscure, when they died is reasonably well known . The Relapse is sort of illuminating about Mary Kent, and puts the high point of her career into context. If you'd care to look for her in that article, you may get a sense of her notability, such as it is. But otherwise, I think the stub already gave the information there is. It could be expressed with more puffery, of course, and I could list one or two performances from Van Lennep, William (ed.), The London Stage 1660—1800: A Calendar of Plays, Entertainments and Afterpieces Together with Casts, Box-Receipts and Contemporary Comment Compiled from the Playbills, Newspapers and Theatrical Diaries of the Period, Part 1: 1660–1700, Carbondale: Southern Illinois University Press — an extremely reputable source — in order to list that book as a reference, but meh, there's no real point, only a puffed-up point. Plus, I'd have to traipse to the library.

About your new references: I don't think Pearson is a very good source (shrug). It's an academic book and so on; just not very good. Elizabeth Howe is fine, but the info you refer to her is all in Highfill as well, so I don't quite see the point, other than formally achieving your "more than one source" desideratum. (Is that supposed to be a rule? Every stub needs more than one source or it should be deleted? I don't think so.)

As for your vile suggestion that the period and subject are less than fascinating, what can you mean by it? Snort. Bishonen | talk 21:09, 12 April 2011 (UTC).

Why not?

We have nearly everywhere else... LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:49, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

And nearly all the other sexual proclivities? (Can somebody explain to me why the same post has two different diffs? FGS, I've written a Help page on this stuff, and I know nothing, but nothing, about it.) Bishonen | talk 13:02, 12 April 2011 (UTC).

I don't understand your conversation, but I can explain why there are three different ways of writing every simple (one-edit) diff. Say you want a diff for the edit that turned page version A into page version B.

• http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGiacomoReturned&action=historysubmit&diff=423597625&oldid=423596656 -- This is what you get when you pick the points A and B in the page history and click "Compare selected revisions".
• http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GiacomoReturned&diff=prev&oldid=423597625 -- This is what you get when you go to revision B and click the left "diff" link.
• http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GiacomoReturned&diff=next&oldid=423596656 -- This is what you get when you go to revision A and click the right "diff" link.

Hans Adler 13:29, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Hans. I've often stumbled across pairs of diffs for the same post, so I knew there could, somehow, be two — I had no idea there were actually three possibilities. That's kind of scary. Sorry about the conversation. Less Heard doesn't always understand his own conversation, I feel. Bishonen | talk 21:27, 12 April 2011 (UTC).

Although Jack would have wanted you to use {{diff2|423597625}} which links as [2] - this respects whether the viewer is logged on via the secure server or not. As you can see, you actually only need the diff=423597625 from the first of Hans' examples (which is what shows up in your watchlist btw) to create a link for the diff you wanted most of the time. In memoriam. --RexxS (talk) 00:00, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Paranormal places

Proposed merge of Category:Reportedly haunted locations into Category:Paranormal places. Please see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_April_24#Category:Reportedly_haunted_locations. Simply south...... trying to improve for 5 years 16:18, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! Bishonen | talk 18:27, 24 April 2011 (UTC).

Oh the exitement!

Ignore all that paranormal rubish above. I expect you have all been wondering where I have been - Well I'm off the yacht and back in London for the week (obvious reasons - No, I will not disclose my secrets of the Royals, allthough, I may "tweet" to you all from the Abbey during the dull bits on Friday. Poor dear little Kate (obviously Catherine, like me now) is so eager to learn of my advice for a long and happy marriage - so I am very busy, but why am you here you ask? well poor dear Giacomo needs some help here [3] - so pop along and help. Now I must go, the poor dear Queen keeps pestering me for advice on what to wear (I keep saying to her: "is Ms Westwood really your sort of thing") and what title to give darlingest William (it's going to be Lancaster - you heard it here first) and that Jimbo man; I keep telling him, I already have my "Plus 1" sorted out, but will he take "no" for an answer? So much to do and so little time, I do will wish I had a dull, humdrum little life like you, dearest little Mrs Bishonen. Do take care. Lady Catherine Rollbacker-de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 19:24, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

I think Giacomo seems to be doing quite well in his charitable work giving reading lessons to the lower classes. What odds do you have on Lancaster m'dear. In the right place, 5 will get you 10 on Kate becoming the Duchess of Dagenham (argent, a Ford Escort gules fesswise surmounted by three pallets retrait in base, each bearing the inscription "Omnes ex":) --Elen of the Roads (talk) 21:33, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Does the inscription mean "All bring your exes to the party"? That might improve my humdrumness a bit, though I'm far from expecting to reach the zany heights of bestowing barnstars of diplomacy on User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz. You're one of a kind, Elen! Bishonen | talk 22:56, 27 April 2011 (UTC).

LOL! I have to admit, what I was thinking of with young Master Wolfowitz was what used to be termed 'shuttle diplomacy' - where some poor politician ran to and fro between two warring parties, earnestly entreating them to rethink their position, a thankless task which he carried out without any prompting. As to the Duchess, while 'all bring your exes' might well make for a more exciting party - perhaps more along the lines of the marriage of Caroline of Brunswick, I was actually thinking more of the frequently strikebound Ford car plant at Dagenham.Elen of the Roads (talk) 10:29, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

And for any youngsters watching this episode, The Rag Trade catchphrase may shed some light. --T-RexxS (talk) 11:06, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

[Unreasonably, 'shonen starts to think of the catchphrase "Bring out yer dead" in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Murmurs:] "I'm not dead yet!" "I'm feeling better!" "I think I'll go for a walk!" All very fine catchphrases! Bishonen | talk 13:07, 28 April 2011 (UTC).

The best catchphrase from that particular motion picture must surely be, "What..? A window"?" LessHeard vanU (talk) 18:00, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

I see your window and raise you a "He looks like a king. He doesn't have shit all over him." Bishonen | talk 20:54, 29 April 2011 (UTC).

@His Tyrannicalness, RexxS - gosh! the obscure things Wikipedia has articles on. Elen of the Roads (talk) 11:38, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Ah, Fredrikssons fabrikk. With Magnus Härenstam as the naive Swedish owner, if I'm not mistaken. Excitement indeed. Bishonen | talk 14:39, 29 April 2011 (UTC).

Well, the Late Lady Catherine and I both lost our shirts - who remembered that the Queen had Cambridge in the bag! And the bookies must have been relieved when Wills borrowed daddy's Aston Martin, instead of riding back to mum's gaff in either the pram or Cinders coach. Elen of the Roads (talk) 08:39, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Random hello

Just a hello to my fav consumer of Japanese metropoli (are Japanese disaster jokes in bad taste these days?) --Lyncs (talk) 23:26, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

I think they may be. :-( Maybe that's the reason Bishzilla has become so mild lately.[4] Bishonen | talk 23:38, 28 April 2011 (UTC).

Then I will pass on the obvious word play inherent in my parenthetical remark. So to speak. --Lyncs (talk) 01:08, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

['Zilla stuffs all little Japanese users and also User:Calton tenderly in her pocket for safekeeping. ] Jump in, little Lynx! bishzilla _ROARR!! 23:41, 28 April 2011 (UTC).

Yee Haw. Move over dolphin and whale. --Lyncs (talk) 01:08, 29 April 2011 (UTC)