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Junior Department football teams at the University of Notre Dame

The Junior Department at the University of Notre Dame was established in the 1840s and served as a high school of sorts for ages 12-17, many of whom would then enroll in the university. During the period between 1890 and 1921, numerous football teams centered (mosty) around Carroll Hall of the Main Building were established. The "Carrollites" as they were known, dominated at the highest level of interhall competition in the 1890s and were a potent force against outside opponents for decades to come. The 1899 Carroll Anti-Specials teams hold the distinction of the most wins by any interhall team in a single season at 11–0.

Opponent	Site	Result
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1890-91

Date	Team 1	Score	Team 2	Score	Location	Notes	Source
February 16, 1891	Carroll picked team		Carroll picked team?			^{[note 1]}	^[1]

1891-92

The junior department may have played indoor football games during the fall of 1891. However, these contests could very well have been soccer.

Date	Team 1	Score	Team 2	Score	Location	Notes	Source
Around February 6, 1892	Carroll picked team		Carroll picked team			^{[note 2]}	^[2]

1892

Carroll students played amongst themselves during the 1892 season. Thomas Cavanaugh served as captain of the "Carroll special rugby team".^[3] The Carrollites may have served as the University's third team. The Carrollites may have been known as the university's "third team" after the varsity and the reserves, though this is unconfirmed. Two games were played against the Manual Labor School team, which would become St. Joseph's Hall in 1897 and Badin Hall in 1917. Their status as an interhall team is disputed.

"Third Team"

Date	Opponent	Site	Result	Source
November 28	Manual Labor School	Notre Dame, IN	W 6–4	^[4]^{[note 3]}
December 4	Manual Labor School	Notre Dame, IN	L 0–10	^[5]^{[note 4]}

Picked team

The picked team of Carroll hallers were most likely ex-minims.

Date	Opponent	Site	Result	Source
December 4	Minims	Junior campus Notre Dame, IN	W 16–0	^[6]^{[note 5]}

1893

Two halls competed in the 1893/1894 interhall season. The Carrollites of Carroll hall, and the "Ex-Carrollites" of Brownson played in a best-of-five tournament, and the Carrollites won the championship in a tiebreaker on January 18, 1894. Carroll hall was the 1893 interhall football champions, defeating Brownson Hall (known as the Ex-Carrollites) in a six game series. Carroll compiled a 3–2–1 record against Brownson, under the captaincy of Mr. Klees. In January of 1894, the Carrollites lost to Sorin Hall, putting their claim to the interhall championship in jeopardy. The Juniors had three football fields for the 1893 season.^[7]

Specials

Date	Opponent	Site	Result	Source
October 23	Ex-Carrollites	Notre Dame, IN	Cancelled	^{[note 6]}^[8]
November 12	Ex-Carrollites	Notre Dame, IN	W 8–4	^[9]
November 19	Ex-Carrollites	Notre Dame, IN	W 16–10	^[10]^{[note 7]}
December 17	Ex-Carrollites	Notre Dame, IN	T 0–0	^[11]^{[note 8]}
January 14, 1894	Ex-Carrollites	Notre Dame, IN	L 6–8	^[12]
January 18, 1894	Ex-Carrollites	Notre Dame, IN	W 10–4	^[13]^{[note 9]}
January 21, 1894	Sorin	Notre Dame, IN	L 0–18	^[14]

Carroll seconds

Date	Opponent	Site	Result	Source
November 11	Manual Labor School seconds	Notre Dame, IN	unknown	^[15]^{[note 10]}

Intra-squad

Carroll held some intra-team games during the season. However, it is possible that these were actually Carroll v. Ex-Carroll games.

Date	Team 1	Score	Team 2	Score	Location	Notes	Source
October 8	Captain Klees		Captain Walde			^{[note 11]}	^[16]^[17]
October 15	Captain Klee	34	Captain Walde	6		^{[note 12]}	^[18]

1894

Carroll hall was affiliated in many football contests during the 1894 season. While they began the season as a unified team, the hall was eventually divided into a specials and anti-specials team around late October.

Specials

Date	Opponent	Site	Result	Source
October 4	Ex-Carrolls	Notre Dame, IN	W 10–4	^[19]
October 7	Ex-Carrolls	Carroll campus Notre Dame, IN	W forfeit	^[20]^{[note 13]}
October 11	Shorties of Sorin	Notre Dame, IN	L 10–12	^[21]
October 18	Stubs of Brownson	Notre Dame, IN	L 0–10	^[22]
November 10	Niles High School	Notre Dame, IN	W 16–6	^{[note 14]}^[23]^[24]
November 18	Ex-Carrolls	Notre Dame, IN	T 4–4	^[25]
November 25	Shorties of Sorin	Notre Dame, IN	W forfeit	^{[note 15]}
Around December 17	St. Joseph	Notre Dame, IN	T 4–4	^[26]

Second specials/Anti-specials

Date	Opponent	Site	Result	Source
October 7	St. Joseph	Notre Dame, IN	L	Cite error: A `<ref>` tag is missing the closing `</ref>` (see the help page).
October 21	Monahan's Invincibles	Notre Dame, IN	W 8–2	^[27]^{[note 16]}
October 25	Chapin Park High School		W 26–0	^{[note 17]}^[28]

Intra-squad

Date	Team 1	Score	Team 2	Score	Location	Notes	Source
Around November 3	Anti-specials	0	Specials	12			^[29]

Notes

^ This was likely soccer.
^ This was likely soccer or old style football.
^ This may have been rugby, as opposed to the rugby football of the time. An early report of the game listed the score as a 16 to 0 Carroll Hall win, but the following editorial rebuked the poor reporting and cites 6 to 4 as the true score.
^ The game as described as the second matchup of the teams from November 28. This indicates that either the Carroll team was not a traditional hall football team, or the Carrollites simply served as the University's third team.
^ This was the first recorded football game between the minim and junior departments. It is unclear if this contest could be considered a score in the minims versus ex-minims rivalry game. The fact that there were two games played by the junior department on December 4 indicates that this team was more likely to be separate from the top team and more closely related to the ex-minims.
^ The Ex-Carrollites backed out of the contest.
^ More specifically it was the Carroll Hall team under captain Klees.
^ More specifically it was the Carroll Hall team of the class of 1893, which would have been kids in their last year.
^ Interhall championship? At the least a tournament tiebreaker. But was it even a tiebreaker? Carroll was leading 2–1–1 going by my records. I may have missed a game.
^ Called after the first half on account of darkness. May have been rugby and not football.
^ The match was played as a game between the Carroll first teams. It also could have been the Carroll and Ex-Carroll matchup that was mentioned the week prior, although it is unclear which team would be considered the Ex-Carrolls (probably captain Walde).
^ Could have been another Carroll v. Ex-Carroll game.
^ Questionable calls by the game referee, and the ejection of the Ex-Carrollites captain Coyne, led to the Ex-Carrolls refusing to continue play, resulting in a win by forfeit for the Carrollites. The score stood at 10–0 in favor of the Ex-Carrollites when the game was called.
^ The specials were led by captain Niles for the game. Officially a game against an off-campus team.
^ The Shorties forfeited the game over a disputed touchdown. The shorties were winning 12 to 6 at the time of the dispute.
^ Unknown status of captain Monahan's team. George McCarrick resided at Carroll hall, while Monahan was likely from Brownson. The Carroll team was known as the Carroll second specials and was captained by Mr. McCarmick.
^ The anti-specials, also known at the second specials, was captained by George McCarmick (at least in their game against Chapin Park). Game was against an outside team.

References

[1] This was likely soccer.

[3] This was likely soccer or old style football.

[7] This may have been rugby, as opposed to the rugby football of the time. An early report of the game listed the score as a 16 to 0 Carroll Hall win, but the following editorial rebuked the poor reporting and cites 6 to 4 as the true score.

[9] The game as described as the second matchup of the teams from November 28. This indicates that either the Carroll team was not a traditional hall football team, or the Carrollites simply served as the University's third team.

[11] This was the first recorded football game between the minim and junior departments. It is unclear if this contest could be considered a score in the minims versus ex-minims rivalry game. The fact that there were two games played by the junior department on December 4 indicates that this team was more likely to be separate from the top team and more closely related to the ex-minims.

[13] The Ex-Carrollites backed out of the contest.

[17] More specifically it was the Carroll Hall team under captain Klees.

[19] More specifically it was the Carroll Hall team of the class of 1893, which would have been kids in their last year.

[22] Interhall championship? At the least a tournament tiebreaker. But was it even a tiebreaker? Carroll was leading 2–1–1 going by my records. I may have missed a game.

[25] Called after the first half on account of darkness. May have been rugby and not football.

[26] The match was played as a game between the Carroll first teams. It also could have been the Carroll and Ex-Carroll matchup that was mentioned the week prior, although it is unclear which team would be considered the Ex-Carrolls (probably captain Walde).

[29] Could have been another Carroll v. Ex-Carroll game.

[33] Questionable calls by the game referee, and the ejection of the Ex-Carrollites captain Coyne, led to the Ex-Carrolls refusing to continue play, resulting in a win by forfeit for the Carrollites. The score stood at 10–0 in favor of the Ex-Carrollites when the game was called.

[36] The specials were led by captain Niles for the game. Officially a game against an off-campus team.

[40] The Shorties forfeited the game over a disputed touchdown. The shorties were winning 12 to 6 at the time of the dispute.

[43] Unknown status of captain Monahan's team. George McCarrick resided at Carroll hall, while Monahan was likely from Brownson. The Carroll team was known as the Carroll second specials and was captained by Mr. McCarmick.

[44] The anti-specials, also known at the second specials, was captained by George McCarmick (at least in their game against Chapin Park). Game was against an outside team.

[2] ttp://archives.nd.edu/Scholastic/VOL_0024/VOL_0024_ISSUE_0023.pdf

[4] ttp://archives.nd.edu/Scholastic/VOL_0025/VOL_0025_ISSUE_0022.pdf

[5] ttp://archives.nd.edu/Scholastic/VOL_0026/VOL_0026_ISSUE_0011.pdf

[6] ttp://archives.nd.edu/Scholastic/VOL_0026/VOL_0026_ISSUE_0012.pdf

[8] ttp://archives.nd.edu/Scholastic/VOL_0026/VOL_0026_ISSUE_0014.pdf

[10] ttp://archives.nd.edu/Scholastic/VOL_0026/VOL_0026_ISSUE_0014.pdf

[12] ttp://archives.nd.edu/Scholastic/VOL_0027/VOL_0027_ISSUE_0006.pdf

[14] ttp://archives.nd.edu/Scholastic/VOL_0027/VOL_0027_ISSUE_0008.pdf

[15] ttp://archives.nd.edu/Scholastic/VOL_0027/VOL_0027_ISSUE_0010.pdf

[16] ttp://archives.nd.edu/Scholastic/VOL_0027/VOL_0027_ISSUE_0011.pdf

[18] ttp://archives.nd.edu/Scholastic/VOL_0027/VOL_0027_ISSUE_0015.pdf

[20] ttp://archives.nd.edu/Scholastic/VOL_0027/VOL_0027_ISSUE_0017.pdf

[21] ttp://archives.nd.edu/Scholastic/VOL_0027/VOL_0027_ISSUE_0017.pdf

[23] ttp://archives.nd.edu/Scholastic/VOL_0027/VOL_0027_ISSUE_0018.pdf

[24] ttp://archives.nd.edu/Scholastic/VOL_0027/VOL_0027_ISSUE_0010.pdf

[27] ttp://archives.nd.edu/Scholastic/VOL_0027/VOL_0027_ISSUE_0005.pdf

[28] ttp://archives.nd.edu/Scholastic/VOL_0027/VOL_0027_ISSUE_0006.pdf

[30] ttp://archives.nd.edu/Scholastic/VOL_0027/VOL_0027_ISSUE_0007.pdf

[31] ttp://archives.nd.edu/Scholastic/VOL_0028/VOL_0028_ISSUE_0005.pdf

[32] ttp://archives.nd.edu/Scholastic/VOL_0028/VOL_0028_ISSUE_0006.pdf

[34] ttp://archives.nd.edu/Scholastic/VOL_0028/VOL_0028_ISSUE_0006.pdf

[35] ttp://archives.nd.edu/Scholastic/VOL_0028/VOL_0028_ISSUE_0007.pdf

[37] ttp://archives.nd.edu/Scholastic/VOL_0028/VOL_0028_ISSUE_0010.pdf

[38] ttp://archives.nd.edu/Scholastic/VOL_0027/VOL_0028_ISSUE_0011.pdf

[39] ttp://archives.nd.edu/Scholastic/VOL_0028/VOL_0028_ISSUE_0012.pdf

[41] ttp://archives.nd.edu/Scholastic/VOL_0028/VOL_0028_ISSUE_0013.pdf

[42] ttp://archives.nd.edu/Scholastic/VOL_0028/VOL_0028_ISSUE_0008.pdf

[45] ttp://archives.nd.edu/Scholastic/VOL_0028/VOL_0028_ISSUE_0009.pdf

[46] ttp://archives.nd.edu/Scholastic/VOL_0028/VOL_0028_ISSUE_0009.pdf

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