User talk:Bongomatic/Archive 8

Archive 1

Talk messages though 25 September 2008 can be found here.

John Pemberton(anthropologist)

You may wish to counter my points that I have made while stumbling through the circular region of speedy, review and now afd of the article - it is clear than the Notability might not have been obvious from early edits - but he is and was notable for creating perhaps one of the most subversive texts about new order indonesia during the life of Suharto and got away with it - am still trying to find further RS and have tried to explain reasons for notability by expanding the article and also at the afd - trust you have more faith in the whole process of xfd's,and reviews etc - I have lost all when it comes to issues about Indonesian subjects that ditors try to grapple with - and I am fast losing my sense of humour or trust in the overall system - cheers SatuSuro 05:46, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

The response is most heartening - I am trying to find something to get out of my obscurantism but hey there is a very very large percentage of geographically challenged wikipedia eds whom i have to try to maintain agf with :(- and my tact and age and etc leave me teetering upon things that are best left unsaid - the subversive nature of Pembertons book maybe be expanded upon over the weekend - i hope i have the time to find the rs - cheers and thanks - glad you understand the situation and i only groan to think how i have sufficiently insulted enough eds between you and where the art is now :( and :) SatuSuro 06:57, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you and your points are noted (at Afd) - hey and may you survive the weekend as well :| SatuSuro 06:59, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Diana Bar

• If you read the article instead of just the title I wouldn't need to reply. I've removed the speedy deletion, because:

1. it is not a private company Carley.ashford (talk) 02:25, 29 September 2008 (UTC)carley
2. Even if it was still a private company, which it isn't, it could be in Wikipedia, it is a Historic caffe, important for very relevant Portuguese writers (to name a few José Régio, Agustina Bessa-Luís).
3. Last but not least, It is a public library/ gallery, just the city hall didn't changed the name, for obvious reasons

I hope this help you to understand that you made a mistake, please read the article, instead of just the title.

--Pedro (talk) 14:00, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

• I hope you stop playing around with the article, think a bit before labelling stuff, inform your self, or something, and avoind this useless conversations. --Pedro (talk) 14:00, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
• Just a correction: READ the article, before labeling it for speedy deletion or notability. please read: The BAR is just the historic name, but it is a LIBRARY and as a bar was HISTORIC for Portuguese literature in the 1940s. You don't think that's notable?! 17,900 hits in google. -Pedro (talk) 14:14, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
• I checked all of the hits on the first page in google, and ALL refer to this Diana Bar! maybe there's the language issue, and you have a diana bar in some English-speaking country... can't tell, you just need to click on my link to transfer to google in Portuguese or you din't search correctly, you need to put "diana bar" with the "'. Anyway, it is just a library with a different name, but a bit different from a normal library. There's even youtube hits, here's one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSsMvXZlHkg during some book presentation, you can check it there, I'm trying to search info about the architecture of the building in some books. --Pedro (talk) 14:42, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Ralf Stemmann

Please check Ralf Stemmann page again. It's not an advertisement now and it's re-written from a neutral point of view with more references added. Bolafik (talk) 15:17, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Lawyers' Council on Social Justice

Hi,

Here is a conversation that was placed on Cirt's talk page regarding the deletion of the Lawyers' Council on Social Justice. Cirt is listed as the one who deleted the page so that is why the response was addressed on that page.

The reasons for the deletion do not follow the Wikipedia guidelines for notability. The deletion discussion stated the Laweyrs' Council was a "small" student group, with coverage only by a school, and was not notable. All three of the reasons were inaccurate. How the administrator determined the size of our organization ("small") baffles us because there is no listing of our membership size. The assertion that there is no outside coverage was also bewildering because we were covered by three outside organizations since we are an independent, nonprofit organization. The University of St. Thomas is one of our chapters. We have been covered by CBS news - here's the link to the interview and our very notable and important work regarding mortgage foreclosures (wait until after the commerical airs and the interview will start)- http://wcco.com/video/?id=32984@wcco.dayport.com - Our recreation of one of the most important Supreme Court cases - Dred Scott (which many believe was one of the contributing factors of the Civil War) was covered by the Minnesota Historical Society - http://www.mnhs.org/newsletters/localhistory/2008/February13.htm - Again, another third party source of our work.

We understand the need for administrators to be vigilant in their duties but we believed that they would follow the established policies of Wikipedia and our deletion for lack of notability does not comport with the stated policies regarding notability. Again, we're addressing the matter to you to follow the stated policy of how to begin the process. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lawyerscouncil (talk • contribs) 20:28, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

CSD, whoa...

Hiya..

I noticed that you tagged a raft of pages for speedydel. They're all part of a project I'm working on to bring various Canadian coats of arms up to a reasonable standard. Would it be possible for you to remove the tags? It's a slow-going process and I've been distracted by other things recently, but am aiming to have the bulk done this week. Prince of Canada ^{t | c} 13:04, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Wow, have you ever heard of WP:CIVIL? Your response was overly-aggressive and completely unwarranted. Leaving the pages for a few more days won't hurt the project, and it saves me the time of re-creating everything. Prince of Canada ^{t | c} 13:12, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

I found it aggressive, extremely uncivil, and speaking as though I had no idea what I was talking about. I made a very polite request, you responded with scorn. I suggest you re-read WP:CIVIL. Prince of Canada ^{t | c} 13:27, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Britannia Driving School

Hi, I posted an article on Britannia Driving School. I see that the posting has been deleted. Today, I noticed a speedy deletion tag, so I added a hangon tag. This School was established in 1993 and has trained over 165000 students and training instructors. I havent add a single section which would make it look like its for promotional reasons. This is like any other wikipedia article and I have taken great measures to ensure the formatting, citations, externals were all done in par with the wikipedia requirements. Please suggest how I can get this article back up and also let me know what I can do to improve the article. Looking forward to hear back from you Carley.ashford (talk) 01:52, 29 September 2008 (UTC)Carley

Hi, Thanks for replying. I do believe that this is a valid posting. I also compared my article with several other schools for instance New England Culinary Institute and many others. This school has been training several thousand students and instructors and is definitely worthy of having an article on wikipedia. Please let me know what I can do to get this article back up. If you want citations, I can provide them to you. Also there were some publications on this school in several magazines. This school also teaches their students eco safety driving which is now a must in UK to pass a driving test. I was unaware of leaving comments in the edit summary section after leaving a 'hangon' tag. Sorry about that. Carley.ashford (talk) 02:14, 29 September 2008 (UTC)carley

I amnot too familar with the terms like COI, let me read up and get back to you. All i know is articles should not be posted for monetary reasons, and editors should not edit articles for monitory or profit and I amnot doing this for monetary reasons.Carley.ashford (talk) 02:28, 29 September 2008 (UTC)carley

Hi, I went through the examples and I dont fall in any of these categories. Let me know how I should proceed.

1. Financial
2. If you fit either of these descriptions:

you are receiving monetary or other benefits or considerations to edit Wikipedia as a representative of an organization (whether directly as an employee or contractor of that organization, or indirectly as an employee or contractor of a firm hired by that organization for public relations purposes); or,

1. Legal antagonists
2. Self-promotion
3. Close relationships
4. Campaigning
5. Promotional article production on behalf of clientsCarley.ashford (talk) 02:37, 29 September 2008 (UTC)Carley

Hi again, I was thinking of posting the article again. Do you have a copy of my posting or was it another admin. Let me know. Also, do I need to email anyone from wikipedia so the article doesnt get deleted again. I do think this is a valid article.

Here is what I need help with:

1. A copy of the old article that got deleted 2. Email or id of the admin with whom I need to clarify certain on how to improve the article. 3. Also, I want to verify that I dont fall in the 'COI' category.. Carley.ashford (talk) 13:01, 30 September 2008 (UTC) carley

Please consider postponing AfD for Management Assistant

Please consider withdrawing the AfD for Management Assistant until the merger discussion is at least 5 days old. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 03:02, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

As long as there are no other comments besides you and me, just speedy-close it with "speedy keep/administrative withdrawal due to ongoing RfD" with a note that you plan on relisting it on some future date, then remove the AfD template. Also put the old-afd templates on the talk page. Once someone else comments you'll want to get that person's consent before speedy-closing it. The WP:AfD page and related page show how to speedy-close an AfD. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 03:17, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

See my talk page for the rest of this discussion. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 03:40, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

new page patrol

greetings Bongomatic! :) i think you're patrolling new pages? if so could you try and remember to hit the "Mark this page as patrolled" link in the bottom right hand corner of the page please? that way i wont spend time opening pages you've already tagged. of course, if you're leaving them that way on purpose so that others also patrol the page then please ignore me :) thanks. Mission Fleg (talk) 08:07, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

excellent, thanks and happy patrolling! cheers Mission Fleg (talk) 08:35, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Why did you propose deletion of shouting match?

It is not a definition that is in that article. It has some encyclopedic content. So it is not a definition. You proposed deletion of it because of the rule "Wikipedia is not a dictionary". But please think about that for a minute. What is the "Motivation" section? A definition??? Please reconsider your action. -- IRP ☎ 20:03, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Besides, it is supposed to be expanded. Please give it a chance! -- IRP ☎ 20:05, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

How is my article not notable? Can you please tell me what you're doing? -- IRP ☎ 23:47, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

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Notability of Community Safety Accreditation Scheme

Thanks for your view on this. I agree there is a lack of third party sources. I have therefore begin by adding a section relating some (highly critical) press comments on the scheme. Dmvward (talk) 13:07, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

your idea of a "wikialmanac"

You know, I really like the idea you came up with on the Notability discussion page. Having a "wikialmanac" where people can follow the "all information is useful" philosophy. I love Wikipedia, but only as a real encyclopedia - which is what I think Jimbo wanted it to be. I don't want Wikipedia to be an almanac of everything - but, at the same time, I would appreciate having an "almanac of everything" somewhere. Myabe you can repost your idea somewhere where more people will see it? AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 16:54, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Suggestions for Zukhits' Wikipedia Page

I would like to reiterate, if you take a look at other wikipedia pages you will see that the things you are referring to are prevalent. I truly think the article is notable. No one writes about anything they are not interested in so every article has a conflict of interest. I would appreciate any suggestions you may have to improve the article. Thank you.

JPercy (talk) 06:36, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Copyright Infringement

• I did not write the article. I simply renamed it from Crispiness to Crispness. I don't remember anything about the article but it is possible I added a quotation from the Oxford English Dictionary. The quotations in the OED are not the property of the OED, so if this was the case it was not a copyright infringement as the OED do not own copyright to the works they reference. I don't know if this is what you are talking about or not because I have no recollection of the article as I said. I'm sure that had it been a good article, I would remember it. So as that is not the case, I'm glad you deleted it. Mike Hayes (talk) 04:35, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

prod reason

we do not routinely delete if "unimproved in a week". Proposals to do so even after a year have been soundly defeated. If there are inadequate sources for notability, the best thing to do is to look for some. Some of your prods are probably notable, though some are almost certainly not. . An appropriate reason is something like "apparently nonnotable whatever. No sources for notability in article & not found in google, etc." There are several hundred of those a day that do need checking and deletion. DGG (talk) 23:19, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

bundelkhand ekikrit party

Dear sir Bundelkhand Ekikrit party is a political party of India. You can even search thousands of results relataed to Bundelkhand ekikrit party but in Hindi news papers of India like AMAR UJALA,DAINIK JAGRAN so please do not delete it. thanx