Template talk:WikiProject Greece

Small parameter

I added the optional small parameter per WP:TS. You can see it implemented on Talk:Indo-Greek Kingdom. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 16:45, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Even too late!--Yannismarou 12:00, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Move to WPGreece?

I propose renaming this template to WPGreece since the project and this banner is used for far more Greece related subjects than just history. A redirect from here to the new name should take care of all existing articles. What does the community think? --Kimon 16:14, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you can do it without undesirable side-effects, go for it!--Yannismarou 19:40, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done --Kimon 19:58, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Strange behaviour

I noticed on Talk:Stephanos Skouloudis that this template is acting oddly. It is giving the text "This page is not an article and does not require a rating" even for those talk pages where the article is rated. I don't have the technical skill to fix this; can someone take a look? -- Jonel | Speak 04:41, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I had screwed something up last time. Now all articles should be fine. --Kimon^talk 12:44, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Look change

Which look is preferable, the one the template currently has or this one: User:Kimon/WPGR? --Kimon^talk 21:21, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see the difference. BTW, I saw the note on not cluttering up the talk pages with unused parameters and I will be better about that now. :) Argos'Dad 23:13, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Crap! While trying to keep the test copy in synch with the production copy, I messed up the image. Try now. --Kimon^talk 23:18, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, now I see. I appreciate creativity and think we should constantly look at things and even change them. I am not sure if this change is the best. The Greek flag to me is limiting to the Hellenic Republic and I think the project includes articles about Greece writ large: from the Descent of the Dorians through the Minoan, Hellenistic, Macedonian, Byzantine and Modern times, including the diaspora, Cyprus, and Cavafy (for example). Maybe the flag is the best symbol for Greeks, but I wonder if there is an image that covers all that we include? Probably not, but let's think what represents Hellenism rather than the nation of Greece. Again, I want to encourage your creativity, but let's think bigger... Argos'Dad 23:35, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No disagreement. I was just thinking that the satellite image was limiting as well. How about a nice image of the Parthenon? --Kimon^talk 01:48, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Parthenon is universally recognized as a symbol of Greece and Hellenism. There was an Orthodox church inside it at one time (though you can't tell from the outside) so it also represents a fusion of the Ancient and Christian eras. I think that might work. Some other ideas I thought of: a laurel wreath? a column? a stele of Athena? Nothing Byzantine or modern seems to fit... the laurel wreath was ancient and also represents the revival of the Olympics which also brings in sports and culture. Just some thoughts... Argos'Dad 03:35, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There was Catholic church in there too and also a mosque; it is also believed that the frieze showed a procession for a religious event that included sports (like the ancient Olympics), so the Parthenon would cover a whole lot of the subjects of Greece and Hellenism in general. Though I like the idea of the laurel wreath, it may be misinterpreted as a peace symbol which I don't think is what we want (not that there's anything wrong with peace or anything). I thought of a column of the ionic or corinthian style but, I thought it would be too plain, I don't know..... You're right, nothing of the Roman era or later that comes to mind would adequately cover the broad subject we want.
I updated the test template in my userspace with an image that Odysseas used for a barnstar proposal. Take a look --Kimon^talk 16:07, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In case somebody has not noticed it this discussion, I also copy it to the project's main page.--Yannismarou 17:37, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

This article has been renamed from Template:WPGR to Template:WikiProject Greece as the result of a move request.

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was - moved as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Banner standardisation. Keith D (talk) 20:21, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest the less cryptic Template:WikiProject Greece for the template's actual name, while retaining the "WPGR" redirect/shortcut for transclusions. See also Template talk:WPMKD#Requested move and Template talk:WPBG#Requested move. Sardanaphalus (talk) 11:27, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

error on c class

{{editprotected}} when parameters c class and nested are selected, a bracket renders the wrong way round on talk page e.g. talk:Heraklion Tom B (talk) 15:09, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. --- RockMFR 22:47, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DEFAULTSORT

This template includes the code:

{{DEFAULTSORT:{{#if: {{{listas|}}}|{{{listas}}}|{{PAGENAME}}}}}}

If listas is not provided to the template, this code is forcing the pagename to be used as the default sort key, even if the correct default sort key has already been provided elsewhere. You can see this error at Talk:Anthopoulos Costaki for example. Using the pagename as the default sort key is the default anyway, so this should not be forced at all. This code needs to be replaced with:

{{#if: {{{listas}}}|{{DEFAULTSORT:{{{listas}}}}}}}

--Pascal666 (talk) 16:23, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I just realized that the default sort key is fullpagename, not pagename. So with the code I provided, if listas is not specified and DEFAULTSORT is not specified correctly elsewhere, the page will be sorted under T for Talk. Obviously not ideal either. --Pascal666 (talk) 16:47, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This problem is discussed in much more detail at Template_talk:WPBiography#DEFAULTSORT_conflicts. If you want this problem fixed please show your support at Wikipedia:VPR#Change default category sortkeys and vote for Bugzilla:16552 --Pascal666 (talk) 11:49, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Minor change

{{editprotected}} Could the noinclude section at the bottom be changed from:

<noinclude>
{{esoteric}}
== Usage ==
{{Wikipedia:WikiProject Greece/Project banner}}

[[Category:WikiProject banners|Greece]]
[[Category:WikiProject Greece]]
</noinclude>

to

<noinclude>
{{esoteric}}
{{documentation|1=Wikipedia:WikiProject Greece/Project banner|content=
== Usage ==
{{Wikipedia:WikiProject Greece/Project banner}}
}}
[[Category:WikiProject banners|Greece]]
[[Category:WikiProject Greece]]
</noinclude>

Thanks, -- WOSlinker (talk) 22:18, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:01, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Problem

There appears to be a problem with the assessment parameters. Even when all five B-class criteria are checked, and the "class" parameter is set to "B" (e.e. Talk:Massacre of the Latins), the template displays and categorizes the article as C-class. Regards, Constantine ✍ 18:22, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed Happy‑melon 09:48, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 4 October 2016

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Hello! I'd like to include a parameter to categorize articles related to Byzantine history, culture, etc. Currently there is no project for Byzantine-related stuff, and given that only a handful of editors ever edit on the topic, of whom I am probably the most active, there probably won't ever be one. However, a task force within WPGR, which is de facto the parent project for Byzantine-related articles, would be a good idea to have, as a starting point, to provide at least some essentials for interested editors, and facilitate administrative etc. work on related articles. I propose therefore the addition of a third task force in the WPGR template:

 |tf 3={{{byzantine-task-force|}}}
 |TF_3_LINK          = Wikipedia:WikiProject Greece/Byzantine world task force|Byzantine world task force
 |TF_3_NAME          = the Byzantine world task force
 |TF_3_NESTED        = Byzantine
 |TF_3_IMAGE         = Jesus-Christ-from-Hagia-Sophia.jpg
 |TF_3_SIZE          = 50px
 |TF_3_MAIN_CAT      = Byzantine world task force articles

Note that I prefer the term "Byzantine world" as opposed to "Byzantine Empire", because it allows to cover the broader Byzantine cultural sphere (e.g. Melkites in northern Syria under Arab domination or Orthodox Greeks in southern Italy under the Normans), and is unaffected by political events like the fragmentation of the Empire after 1204 (i.e. it can easily cover the Nicaean Empire and the post-1261 restored Byz. Empire, the Despotate of Epirus, the Empire of Trebizond, even the Principality of Theodoro, etc.). I'll then take over the creation of the task force pages etc. Constantine ✍ 20:46, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Cplakidas: Request looks fine, see the sandbox. Will you be needing/using important or quality categories specific to your task force as well? (It looks like the other task forces don't) — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 03:53, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Andy W., thanks for the quick reply! I hadn't really thought about it, but I suppose it would be a good idea, at least for the quality assessments. I suppose there is a way to simply categorize by the quality assessment from the WPGR template, without the need for a separate task force assessment? Constantine ✍ 11:48, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Cplakidas, I've synced the template for now. If you plan to just go off of the project-wide |importance= and |class=, I think you probably won't need a second separate task force assessment for importance/quality then. Re-open the request if you find a need for it though (will need multiple category creation) I've created Category:Byzantine world task force articles. Cheers — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 15:17, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot Andy M. Wang. I'll keep that in mind. Cheers, Constantine ✍ 16:00, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 24 January 2018

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Hello, γεια σας,

I'd like to suggest replacing 2 images illustrating this template by better quality quasi-identical images that are now available on commons. To be precise, replacing :

 |TF_1_IMAGE         = Oil painting of the Greek Parliament, at the end of the 19th century, by N. Orlof.jpg
...
 |TF_2_IMAGE         = Acropolis from south-west.jpg

by :

 |TF_1_IMAGE         = The Hellenic Parliament (4551856563).jpg
...
 |TF_2_IMAGE         = Acropolis wide view.jpg

Tested on Template:WikiProject Greece/sandbox and looks OK. Place Clichy (talk) 14:51, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done They don't look particularly superior to me, but there have been no objections, so done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:05, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Is topic a valid parameter?

Looking at the template code and the template documentation, it appears that |topic= is a valid parameter. However, when editing Talk:Arianism in the source editor, I see a message that states "Preview warning: Page using Template:WikiProject Greece with unexpected parameter "topic", and the page is included in Category:Pages using WikiProject Greece with unknown parameters. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 02:44, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]