Module talk:Myanmar Civil War detailed map

Added this to the Myanmar Civil War page

I am genuinely thankful for this because this could be an accurate map. Lukt64 (talk) 19:46, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Review

Holy moly, this map. It's, uh, busy, to put it mildly. I'm not sure where to begin. This map seems to fall into the same trappings that got the previous one deleted.

Are there any credible sources saying that much of Sagaing or Tanintharyi regions are contested? Hell, are there any credible sources saying that major cities like Lashio, Sagaing, or Myitkyina are contested? Last I checked, the military firmly controls all major cities except perhaps Loikaw. At best, these rebel groups control the rural areas and a handful of small towns on the frontiers. That ought to be shown with the rural presence icon available in the legend.

Occasional sabotage operations or raids by PDFs do not automatically mean settlements are contested. Sources should have a reputation of accurate reporting to document this.

This brings me to another issue. With so many rebel groups active, I'd argue they should be placed under a broad umbrella of those opposed to the military (red vs green). This current setup is an eyesore.

This map will need to be reviewed by other users, possibly a deletion discussion. 134.41.87.11 (talk) 18:41, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Confusion between Arakan Army and Arakan Liberation Army

The map shows cities in Rakhine State, some of which are dark green. The map legend says that dark green marks the Arakan Liberation Party, but this organization has almost no territory under its control. Armed wing of Arakan Liberation Party is the Arakan Liberation Army which is just 300-500 soldiers in size. They have no capacity to control such territory as is displayed on the map. This territory is actually controlled by the United League of Arakan and its armed wing: Arakan Army, which has 30,000+ soldiers (self-claimed in December 2021). Arakan Army is member of Three Brotherhood Alliance which leads Operation 1027 and Arakan Liberation Army is acutally opponent of Arakan Army. Sultán Sahak (talk) 09:32, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

More eyes needed

Sources on a forum outside WP (no not that forum lol they don’t care about real work) have been complaining that this map is constantly out of date.

So let’s do something!

@Nurg @Alexiscoutinho @Thenavigatorr interested in helping?

Also, if anyone can share good sources that would be helpful because I don’t know who even covers Burma in detail.

Cheers, RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 05:33, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, but my plate is already kinda full with the Ukraine map. I also have no idea of good sources for this conflict. Alexis Coutinho (talk) 05:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, not a topic I follow much. Nurg (talk) 07:45, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I'm brand new to the Wikipedia scene but I've been keeping up with this map/article for months now and I do agree it could use some more up-to-date information. Some fairly generic sources I've been using to keep up with the conflict are Mizzima and MyanmarNow. I don't know their specific funding sources so I can't speak to their biases (although their opinion pieces and most of their reporting leans anti-Junta). I have no experience editing Wikipedia pages but I think this conflict is being majorly underreported in the West which is a disservice to millions of people who are in harms way and millions of people who are fighting quite literally a variety of conflicts. If there's anything I could bring to the table, I'd love to help. RandersMarie (talk) 06:41, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@RadioactiveBoulevardier what forum lol I'm trying my best :,( CrazyMagicPickle (talk) 15:23, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

IIRC reddit :) RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 16:24, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Status of towns with military base holdouts

@Dylpickle1971, regarding the status of Ann, the precedent here has been to not regard towns as "fully captured" for map purposes until all local junta bases have been cleared, regardless of whether or not the urban center itself is under rebel control. Given that your listed source, as well as several others (Irrawaddy, Mizzima) state that the Western Command HQ is still under junta control, the town should be marked as contested until that base falls (realistically speaking in a few days). CrazyMagicPickle (talk) 22:03, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Okay, thank you for clarifying Dylpickle1971 (talk) 15:00, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Curious about SVG creation

I am curious how this map is used to generate the SVG map used on the article. I assume it is a mix of scripting and manual adjustment, but I'm curious to learn how it is done. My guess is that y'all have some code that makes a rough image based on the nodes with weight based on their size, then someone goes through and makes corrections by hand based on geography and infrastructure. Sir Ross ★▀▀ (talk) 15:40, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

I actually believe it's all done manually. The talk page for the main article has a couple discussions about it, the SVG is updated roughly monthly. CrazyMagicPickle (talk) 18:24, 22 December 2024 (UTC)