Template talk:Interlanguage link

Avoiding circular redirects

What do we do when the article on enwiki is a redirect to the article that template:ill is being called on (and redirecting to the article itself, not a section) In that case the blue link is a circular redirect with seemingly no way to get rid of it. RachelTensions (talk) 02:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Edit the article? (Meaning that I think that better than to spend the resources to code this template to account for every weird corner case, we instead simply leave it up to editors to remove/fix such instances. You don't have to link to what you're displaying, after all. To further the discussion please provide an example, thanks) CapnZapp (talk) 14:30, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

"Edit the article?" is unhelpful - obviously I'm trying to edit the article to come up with a solution.

Nelly Furtado previously had a blind, WP:ASTONISHING interlanguage link in the lead to pt:Nelstar... I'm trying to fix it so it's clear that it's an interlanguage link but when I use {{ill}} it results in a circular blue link because Nelstar Entertainment on enwiki redirects back to Nelly Furtado.

Right now I've removed both versions of the link, to avoid either a blind interlanguage link to Portuguese wiki, or a circular redirect with the {{ill}} template.

I find it hard to believe this is an obscure fringe case; one would think that there are a lot of articles that may exist in other languages that only exist on enwiki as a redirect to a broader parent article. RachelTensions (talk) 14:42, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for providing an example. You added "{{ill|Nelstar|lt=Nelstar Entertainment|pt}}" in a recent revision of the Nelly Furtado page. Do I understand you correctly in that the pt link is correct, but you dislike how the English link gets blue (because Nelstar is a redirect back to the article)? I had a hunch this had been discussed previously. First off, could you please read Template_talk:Interlanguage_link/Archive_3#Forcing_redlink_on_redirect_pages if you haven't already? (I'm not trying to derail you; only making an attempt at not rehashing already discussed issues) CapnZapp (talk) 15:32, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Nelstar Entertainment and Nelstar both result in a circular redirect regardless of which one is used.

So it seems like the changes to allow suppression of link were made in sandbox but not moved to production; I'll just manually link it with the small brackets for now and avoid use of this template. RachelTensions (talk) 15:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Update: The manual option suggested there ({{small|{{bracket|[[pt:Nelstar|pt]]}}}}) seems to just result in empty brackets for whatever reason so I'm not sure what the manual alternative is or what I'm messing up RachelTensions (talk) 15:46, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

[pt] But it seems to work here, but not in the article space... I'm confused to say the least. RachelTensions (talk) 15:47, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

I fixed a small error over at Nelly's page, User:RachelTensions (Note the extra colon) CapnZapp (talk) 15:58, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

oh duh, thank you RachelTensions (talk) 15:59, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I guess I should expand upon this: As you hopefully agree after reading that archived talk, having ill automatically detect this is hard. Easier is to investigate if Nelstar or Nelstar Entertainment is a seldomly used redirect and have it deleted (so ill once more displays a red English-language link). Or possibly, hacking the ill to use a third definitely-showing-as-red article target (that still editors can understand should lead to an eventual Nelstar article): something like Nelstar Entertainment. Note how I just made up Nelstar (company) in the hopes it will remain red until article creation (as opposed to some good-faith editor adding yet another redirect back to Nelly Furtado). I guess you could propose adding a parameter to the template that basically says "yes, the link exists but please pretend it doesn't if it's only a redirect... that redirects back to here" but I honestly think it's asking too much for a template that's already resource intensive... (but I'm not the expert) Cheers CapnZapp (talk) 15:44, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

I'll just manually link it with the small brackets for now and avoid use of this template One solution would, of course, be for you to actually create the Nelstar article. Maybe the pt version is good enough at least for a stub? CapnZapp (talk) 15:47, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Vanity labels for one artist rarely meet WP:COMPANY and I doubt this one is any different, unless there are some plans to expand the label beyond just her (two?) albums. RachelTensions (talk) 15:50, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Oh absolutely. I didn't check whether Nelstar perhaps was an article once, but was later folded into the main Nelly page. CapnZapp (talk) 16:00, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Circular redirects and our documentation

I took a stab at alleviating this (apparently) recurring frustration by editing our documentation:

Template:Interlanguage_link/doc(edit talk links history)

Take a look and feel free to improve further. CapnZapp (talk) 16:26, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Standard parameter name for Wikidata IDs

At Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Standard parameter name for Wikidata IDs, I propose that we standardise on the most-used property name for Wikidata identifiers, |qid=, instead of |WD=, keeping the old name as a working alias, at least for the foreseeable future. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:42, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Support. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:05, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Support, assuming that WD is kept as an alias for a long time, say five years. Would suggest adding 'q' as an additional alias. Mathglot (talk) 04:13, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Just noting I have set up a tracking category to see how large of a task this would be to change existing param use. Primefac (talk) 16:59, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Please respond at the original discussion, per WP:TALKFORK. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:07, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Script request

See Wikipedia:User_scripts/Requests#Interlanguage_links_converted_from_common_bad_styles _{Piotrus at Hanyang| reply here} 00:54, 26 December 2024 (UTC)