Talk:Zionist political violence

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 December 2019

This article is biased in places because it lacks a factual chronology of events.

For example, it says:

"In February 1947, the British announced that they would end the mandate and withdraw from Palestine and they asked the arbitration of the United Nations. After the vote of the Partition Plan for Palestine on 30 November 1947, civil war broke out in Palestine. Jewish and Arab communities fought each other violently in campaigns of attacks, retaliations and counter-retaliations which provoked around 800 deaths after two months."

And:

"At the beginning of the civil war, the Jewish militias organized several bombing attacks against civilians and military Arab targets. On 12 December, Irgun placed a car bomb opposite the Damascus Gate, killing 20 people.[15]"

But the source cited after the second passage (note 15 -- Karsh 2002) clearly shows that the Palestinian violence came first and that the Zionist violence was a response. Here is a passage from Karsh 2002:

"Violence came to Palestine within hours of the UN vote on partition. In the early hours of 30 November 1947 as Jewish revellers were making their way home after the previous night's celebrations, an ambulance en route to the Hadassah Hospital on Mount Scopus came under fire. A few hours later a group of Arabs ambushed a Jewish bus bound from the coastal town of Netanya to Jerusalem, killing five of its passengers and wounding several others. They then attacked another bus travelling from Hadera to Jerusalem, killing two more passengers.

"Meanwhile, in Tel-Aviv's Carmel Market, on the fault line between the Jewish city and what was Arab Jaffa, a Jewish person was murdered. In the country's main gaol, in the northern town of Acre, Arab prisoners attacked Jewish inmates, who barricaded themselves in their cells until the British authorities managed to restore calm. In Haifa, shots were fired at Jews passing through Arab neighbourhoods, while Jewish vehicles were stoned throughout the country.

"The next day saw no reduction in violence. Shooting, stoning and rioting continued apace. The consulates of Poland and Sweden, both of which had voted for partition, were attacked. Bombs were thrown into cafes, killing and maiming, molotov cocktails were hurled at shops, a synagogue was set on fire. Scores of young Arabs flooded the offices of the local national committees demanding weapons. To inflame the situation further, the AHC proclaimed a three-day nationwide strike to begin the following day. It enforced the closure of all Arab shops, schools and places of business and organised and incited large Arab crowds to take to the streets to attack Jewish targets.

"The main such attack took place in Jerusalem on Tuesday 2 December, when a crowd of several hundred Arabs ransacked the new Jewish commercial centre, lying opposite the Old City's walls, looting and burning shops and stabbing and stoning whoever they happened upon. A Hagana platoon that was rushed to the area to protect civilians was peremptorily stopped and disarmed by the British police, with 16 of its members arrested for illegal possession of weapons. Some of the confiscated weapons were later found on killed and captured Arab rioters. . . .

"On 4 December, some 120-150 armed Arabs attacked kibbutz Efal, on the outskirts of Tel-Aviv, in the first large-scale attempt to storm a Jewish settlement. Four days later a more audacious assault was launched when hundreds of armed Arabs attacked the Hatikva quarter in south Tel-Aviv. They were followed by scores of women, bags and sacks in hand, eager to ferry off the anticipated spoils. 'The scene was appalling,' recalled one of the Jewish defenders. 'Masses of Arabs were running towards the neighbourhood. Some of them carried torches while others fired on the fly. Behind them we saw flashes of fire from machine guns covering them as they ran amok.' By the time the British troops arrived at the scene, the Arabs had been forced into a hasty retreat, leaving behind some 70 dead." (pp. 28-30)

http://www.institutobrasilisrael.org/cms/assets/uploads/_BIBLIOTECA/_PDF/o-conflito-palestino-x-israelense/c9eda179ec7d807f21c0113482294bd0.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2XjtdEu1lgkfCPthaR4KjN0_NoxBeCqwIqM85PzSDRf0ewBRSE0RFEFfI

The Zionist violence during the civil war follows the initial Palestinian violence after the UN vote, as Karsh explains in the following section on page 31, and in fairness this context should be included. I have seen alt-right types use this article in a way that is arguably anti-Semitic, and they have no understanding of the chronology of events, and this article does not give it to them. 2601:240:E381:5DD0:B092:C2C:8132:3730 (talk) 22:50, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 15:53, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Did Zionism end in 1940

There have not been any acts of Zionist political violence since the time of the Israeli War of Independence in 1948, after which the Lehi was disbanded.

Can I get a source on that?Kuiet (talk) 00:05, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Of course there is no source because the statement is complete bullshit. Zero^talk 04:53, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Would you join me in correcting it and by consequence the whole article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kuiet (talk • contribs) 13:56, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

the point IMO is that the article seems to have been written in the context of the Zionist program to establish a state of Israel. This program came to fruition in 1948 and thenceforth the need for active promotion of a Jewish state disappeared, together with the rationale of 'Zionist' terrorist groups. At a possibly later date, someone has added the assertion to the lead that 'Zionist terrorism' continues to the present day, without providing any detail in the article.

The truth appears to be that a minority of Jewish settlers in the disputed West Bank/Judea and Samaria carry out sporadic acts of violence and vandalism against local Arab targets - as do the Arabs against Jewish targets. It seems overblown to describe this as Zionist terrorism unless Arab attacks are described as antisemitic terrorism.

The remedy IMO is to remove references to post-1948 from this article, and place any encyclopedic material in an article on inter-communal disturbances in Israel post-1948, which may already exist. There are plenty of examples to go on. Chrismorey (talk) 15:29, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Cave of the patriarchs massacre

This page seems to be missing many entries. For example the cave of the patriarchs massacre is not here Iverinc (talk) 10:37, 10 April 2024 (UTC)