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ALT0a: ... that Zina P. Young Card fought on a national level for both women's suffrage and the right to practice plural marriage? Source: "Later, Taylor called Zina to accompany Emmeline B. Wells to attend the 1879 National Women's Suffrage meetings in Washington, D.C. Zina and Emmeline were not universally welcomed at the suffrage, due to their strong support for plural marriage" (https://www.jstor.org/stable/23287489)
ALT2:... that Zina P. Young Card spoke to the U.S. Senate and House Judiciary Committee in favor of polygamist rights in 1879?Source: "Later, Taylor called Zina to accompany Emmeline B. Wells to attend the 1879 National Women's Suffrage meetings in Washington, D.C. ... Cannon helped arrange for Zina and Emmeline, as representatives from Utah, to address the U.S. Senate and House Judiciary Committee ... 'Zina stressed her belief in the sacred principle under which she had been born and married.'" (https://www.jstor.org/stable/23287489)
ALT4: ... that Zina P. Young Card made her own flannel to wallpaper the cabin she lived in while settling Cardston, Alberta, Canada, prompting locals to call it the "Flannel Palace"? Source: "This cabin, now a museum, still stands on Cardston’s Main Street. Zina made heroic efforts in creating a genteel home in such rough conditions. Her daughter, Zina Card Brown, describes her achievement as the interior appeared during the late 1880s. "[...] She had all the walls and ceilings covered with unbleached muslin. This she in turn covered with colored Canton flannel. She sewed the canton flannel herself with the soft silky nap running down. It was kept looking like satin with frequent stroking with a new broom which was kept for this purpose. The hundreds of yards of “Canton” were all stitched on the old treadle sewing machine." Local residents called the cabin “Aunt Zina’s Canton Flannel Palace.” " Four Zinas, Chapter 10Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 23:17, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This article is new enough and long enough. I like the original hook, ALT2 and ALT4, the other two hooks are less interesting. The hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. No QPQ is needed here for this new contributor. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:25, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I came by to promote this, but am having trouble identifying a good hook. ALTs 0 and 2 make her sound like any woman with a political agenda. ALT0 does not have an inline cite, and footnote 2, which uses the term "women's rights", seems to be referring back to the term "women's suffrage" in its previous sentence. ALT4 might be better if the article said more from the source about the "rough" locale the home was located in. Yoninah (talk) 16:00, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, your alt looks better. Please note that I restored the thread and struck the hook that was replaced, so reviewers and prep builders will be able to follow the discussion. We need a review for ALT0a. Pinging original reviewer Cwmhiraeth. Yoninah (talk) 21:36, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, she is his great-grandmother! Her son Orson Rega Card (who he was named after) was his grandfather. I'll find a good source and put it on her page, and I already linked to her on his. Thank you! Cstickel(byu) (talk) 17:27, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The lead section is excellent, as is the article structure. However, it would be best to incorporate the references in the lead into the body of the article. See WP:CITELEAD.
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).
Please note that I assume that sources I can't access are correct, however I feel it only fair that I note that I haven't been able to verify them.
Lead: the sources I can read checkout, can't read the JSTOR hosted article. Could I ask what historian was being referenced in "the unquestionable female leader of the Alberta colonies"?
Early life: the sources I can read definitely checkout, I added the page number for the source that shows she acted at the Salt Lake Theatre.
Plural marriage: all sources I can read check out
Career and activism:
Could you give me the reference for: "She was among the first Utah women to advocate for women's suffrage. She and Emmeline B. Wells traveled to Washington, D.C. and around the eastern United States, speaking of and advocating for women's suffrage and their own religious beliefs, especially polygamy."
I have verified all other sources I can read, and also switched one source to use archive.org which has the full work available online
LDS Church service: verified all sources I can read
Personal life:
I hate to be a stick-in-the-mud, but could you clarify what parts of the source support "Through her writing it is apparent that she felt plural marriage a respectable and divinely-inspired institution, and she saw defending it as the duty of women"? It's a huge source and it would be nice to know what parts you are referring to. (this is not a criticism, I just want to verify the statement - which I'm sure is correct!)
I was concerned initially about the sentence "Throughout her life, Card was an academic, political, and spiritual leader", but actually it is then fully supported by the subsequent material in the paragraph. So, I can see no original research.
Progress update: I've gotten through most of the references - some great and detailed research obviously went into this article! I am taking a break and will continue when I'm back from it. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 06:45, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Aussie Article Writer: Thank you! I've gone through your review and addressed your concerns:
1b.I took the inline citations out of the lead. (All of that information is cited in the article.) But I left in the source for the direct quote, and found the name of the historian who called her "the unquestionable female leader of the Alberta colonies" (and wikilinked to her).
2b.I added the references you requested (for "Career and activism," "Personal life," and "Legacy") and corrected the prose in some areas.
3a.I think my sentence about her being dean of two colleges was referring to her being dean of two schools within Brigham Young Academy, but I couldn't find a source about that, so I changed that prose.
This article is new enough and long enough. I like the original hook, ALT2 and ALT4, the other two hooks are less interesting. The hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. No QPQ is needed here for this new contributor. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:25, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I came by to promote this, but am having trouble identifying a good hook. ALTs 0 and 2 make her sound like any woman with a political agenda. ALT0 does not have an inline cite, and footnote 2, which uses the term "women's rights", seems to be referring back to the term "women's suffrage" in its previous sentence. ALT4 might be better if the article said more from the source about the "rough" locale the home was located in. Yoninah (talk) 16:00, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, your alt looks better. Please note that I restored the thread and struck the hook that was replaced, so reviewers and prep builders will be able to follow the discussion. We need a review for ALT0a. Pinging original reviewer Cwmhiraeth. Yoninah (talk) 21:36, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
