Talk:Wat Tham Krabok
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I am Phra Hans, a monk in Thamkrabok Monastery since 2000. We found your article about the monastery, and we would like to ask you as a representative of the abbot to make corrections concerning certain its disinformations and concerning its general perspective. 1. Details a) Thamkrabok Monastery is a monastery [samnak-song] and not a temple [wat]. It has never been upgraded yet [as mentioned in your article]. The translation “Bamboo cave” is disputed. b) The cave was discovered by a monk named Phra Charoen Panchand in 1956. He then convinced his brother, Phra Chamroon Panchand, their uncle and three other monks to retire to the cave in order to practice Buddhism, especially the Sacca practice. They then invited their aunt, Mien Panchand, a visionary nun (according to their beliefs), to be their spiritual teacher. [We have never heard the name Mae Chee Boonruen, mentioned in your article]. In 1958 the army asked this little group in the cave to take care of drug addicts. Some land was donated, and some shacks were built. The statistics of the drug treatment starts with the year 1959. More and monks joined the group, and gradually the place developed to a monastery. c) The entrance of TKB is a big white gate with two black elephants and a globe [and not a golden pagoda as mentioned in your article]. 2. General perspective a) Thamkrabok Monastery is famous for its drug-and alcohol detoxification. But from the about 100 monks and 20 nuns living and practicing in TKB, not even a dozen work in the treatment center, which is a restricted area within the monastery. Most of them work in construction, in vegetable and herbal gardens, and in lemongrass fields. We have three steam baths, a musical studio and a drug prevention program. b) The Hmong were brought to TKB by the government in 1961. After the population had grown up to about 20.000 they were given a piece of land within the grounds of the monastery, where they established a settlement, keeping their own tribal traditions. TKB monastery has supported them during more than 40 years. Among many other supports, the monks built a school and a hospital for them. During the war against drugs in 2003 the monastery was occupied by the army. The Hmong village was raided once, apparently without any results, during the absence of the monks, which were on their annual pilgrimage. The whole Hmong village was surrounded with “concertina wire” [not the monastery, as said in your article!]. There had been rumors that the Hmong, who had originally come from the “Golden Triangle”, were involved in drug and arm trafficking in Laos. There has never been any proof, and this didn’t involve the monastery [!!], of course, although the headlines in the press concerning the Hmong were a heavy burden for the reputation of the monastery. [In your article you give an image as if the Hmong and the monastery were the same thing. The insinuation that the monastery might have been involved in arms and drug trafficking is absurd, as TKB has ‘detoxed’ around 100.000 patients since 1959. The army later tried to publicly correct this negative image established by the press. Identifying the Hmong problem with the monastery, which has simply tried to support this ethnic minority without nationality during more than 40 years, may even discourage future patients to come to TKB for treatment]. c) After the Hmong had been relocated to the US by the United Nations, the army has left the monastery. The Hmong problem has been just an episode in the history of the monastery, by the way, a rather marginal topic for the monks and nuns living in TKB, busy with their spiritual practice and their daily work. [In your article it is given far too much importance. For persons who have never been in TKB, it is not easy to evaluate press articles]. d) The Thai government has never prevented tourists, patients or visitors to come to TKB [as stated in your article]. In contrary, every year thousands of school kids and students visit TKB for the purpose of drug prevention. During the episode of the occupation by the army because of the Hmong, there has been an army checkpoint, visitors were controlled. These two years are already history… As TKB is becoming more and more known in the Western world because of the drug detox program, we can’t prevent that more and more websites spread in the internet, partly with wrong information. The only reliable information can be found in our official website <thamkrabok.net>. The website has been approved by the late abbot, Luangpoh Charoen Panchand, who was the initiator of Thamkrabok Monastery. Phra Hans |
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