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Link to Lists and Other Information of Padmanayaka Velamas

Lists of Padmanayaka Velama: Click Here

Excellent! It is good to see that all the effort that editors put in to accumulate the lists has not been a waste. I think a webpage is the right forum for such lists. Abecedare 00:27, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

By the way, since the website reproduces material from wikipedia (which is perfectly fine!), it will need to display the GNU Free Documentation License in order to meet the legal requirements. You can read the details at WP:GFDL, especially the "Verbatim Copying" section. Regards. Abecedare 00:40, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

When it comes to South Indian society, caste hierarchy actually is irrelevent. I'm not sure if it's Manu's declaration in Manu Smriti that all the Dravidas are Shudras which determined the permanent Shudra status for all the warrior and merchant communities of South India. In fact, dominance of any caste because of higher caste status is not valid in South Indian society. Here the social dominance should be viewed from the angle of feudalism. However, I do agree caste rules did influence the South Indian society in a way that all the classes became endogamous units. Manjunatha (25 Oct 2005) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.135.91.163 (talk) 15:01, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Famous People

If we keep adding names arbitrarly, the value of the section "famous people" will be lost. It will become a place for people to promote their own near and dear ones. The basic guiding principle is to keep only historical names (before 1900). That way there will be some sanctity for this page.

==It is irrational to claim Kshatriya status for velama . It is a well known fact that Velama are Sudras (Shatsudras of Sreenatha) and are categorized. The community itself is not homogenous but an assortment of people with the title 'Velama'.

This statement utterly wrong. The so called fact that "velama are Sudras" is not at all a fact. On what basis you argue this? Velama's actually belong to warrior clan and rythu clan nothing but Kshatriyas. It is the former in the villages who provides lively hood for all other sections of people.

Brahmins, get dakshina's and other things for performing pujas at home in the fields. They do not do forming. Life in the villages depend on formers(evaluate the history), or elsego to the villages and see. (Still that tradition is carrying forward.) Vysya's do trading. Trading what? The produce form the formers. Others work in fields. Work for who? For formers. At the every harvest of the crop, it is customary that formers give pittances to other clans.

If one reasearch in the villages and history, one would now the facts.

And also, it is customary that head formers lead the forces for village protection.

Formers know only war arts, like karra saamu, katti saamu, barise fighting, etc.,. Ofcourse these arts are at their demise.

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Rivalry

Do not delete contents. It is vandalism. If you do not agree with any contents, please discuss. The 'Legendary rivalry' section is restored.

==It is irrational to claim Kshatriya status for velama . It is a well known fact that Velama are Sudras (Shatsudras of Sreenatha) and are categorized. The community itself is not homogenous but an assortment of people with the title 'Velama'.

This statement utterly wrong. The so called fact that "velama are Sudras" is not at all a fact. On what basis you argue this? Velama's actually belong to warrior clan and rythu clan nothing but Kshatriyas. It is the former in the villages who provides lively hood for all other sections of people.

Brahmins, get dakshina's and other things for performing pujas at home in the fields. They do not do forming. Life in the villages depend on formers(evaluate the history), or elsego to the villages and see. (Still that tradition is carrying forward.) Vysya's do trading. Trading what? The produce form the formers. Others work in fields. Work for who? For formers. At the every harvest of the crop, it is customary that formers give pittances to other clans.

If one reasearch in the villages and history, one would now the facts.

And also, it is customary that head formers lead the forces for village protection.

Formers know only war arts, like karra saamu, katti saamu, barise fighting, etc.,. Ofcourse these arts are at their demise.

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If velama's are not kshatriya's and warriors then delete the lines of all kings and battles of Palnadu and edit the famous legendary Thandra paparayudu as servent..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Psharath9 (talk • contribs) 07:07, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Heavily biased

Though this is admirable collection of information, the article is heavily biased towards the Velama caste. A sentence from the article goes "They are royal, generous and broad minded". This is more like propaganda and does not live up to the standards of Wikipedia. Whatever information is given whould be quoted from reliable sources. Broad, sweeping statements diminish the credibility of the article. I recommend a total rewrite to conform with Wikipedia's neutral POV policy (http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view). And i agree with the view that there are too many 'famous' people on the page.

Removed Suggestions/ Comments subsection from the main article. Wikipedia is not a blog! All suggestions/ comments should be added in the Talk Page and not in the main article. --TwoOars 19:36, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Suggestions/Comments

• Great effort. We should start a web site with all this information
• If anyone has data about per capita income, literacy rate and other stats about community should be added. It would be of great value.
• Challenges ahead for the community... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.237.196.61 (talk) 15:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC).

This wiki page seems to be good. som sentences can be elaborated to present ab this brave community of andhra. It wud b nice if more info ab great warriors like Tandra Papa Rayudu n others will be ther.

Thnks Indianprithvi (talk) 16:42, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion

The enthusisanm to add all kinds of names, village names, gothras etc is not evident in providing an unbiased historical account of velama social group. Link articles can be created for such long lists. It is generally felt that velamas played a negative role down the history. There is a tendency to ignore the personalities like Recherla Gannama Nayak (Malik Maqbool), Rachakonda Nayaks who killed Musunuri mayak and Velama kings who fought Reddys of Kondavidu. There is no harm in accepting historical truths. Someone must do a drastic editing of the article and make it brief and crisp.Kumarrao 08:14, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Recommend removal lists of famous people

I strongly recommend the removal of the notable people lists (except those of the historical personalities). But since it is such a large collection of names and might be useful to the community maybe it is better to duplicate them to another website before completely removing them here. I tried to reduce the size of the article by moving the names to another page but i bungled. And the new page Contemporary Personalities of Velama Caste got a prodwarning almost immediately... which only shows that this information does not belong in Wikipedia in the first place.

--I am sorry you are mistaken. It means a list by itself as a separate article may not be useful but a list as a part of an article is considered useful, allowed, and is OK.

Yes, i realize that creating a new page for the lists alone was a bad idea. So any suggestions on how to bring the main article to a manageable size are welcome. Thanks. -twooars--61.2.221.4 07:42, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I request someone with the requisite skills to move the aforementioned material to another website (maybe someplace like geocities?) or at least move the lists into a separate page. One thing that can be said about the article is that it is very comprehensive. A lot of work has to be done though to make it more readable. I will try to make it more organized whenever i can without any major deletions, until someone can set up a separate website. Then we can move the stuff that doesn't belong here. Please give your comments and suggestions. --TwoOars 21:47, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

--Can you elaborate which info do you think does not belong here. Those lists are not put up by one person or for that matter whole article is contributed and edited by many visitors like you and me and no one person is involved in it as far as I know. It is a continuous improvement. The enthusiasm and interest of the contributers testify the importance of lists to them (you may feel differently though). I have to agree with you the lists may have to go somewhere someday when they are complete. Do you think they are complete as of now? Article starts with a list of contents. Visitors can always click the link and read the info they want. Lot of hard work has gone into the article within such a short time by many visitors. Think again. Anyway I will leave it upto you and I do not meant to offend you in anyway. Just my opinion. Thanks.

My comments were about the lists of political leaders, present and past, and all the other lists of individuals in various professions. It was of interest to me personally but IMO, a list of all 'notable' personalities belonging to a particular community is hardly appropriate in an encyclopedia. If we go on adding names to the lists arbitrarily the article will become so bloated as to be useless. And the lists are never going to be complete. As I mentioned earlier, this is a great collection of information and something i wanted to see for quite some time. I fully appreciate the efforts of the contributors. It would be great if the material is incorporated into a separate website. But here on Wikipedia? I don't think so. But let us wait and see what others say. Thats why we have a talk page, so we can arrive at a consensus. I do not mean to do anything major (like deleting sections) without people agreeing on it. And no offense taken at all. And i hope more people take an interest in improving the article. - twooars --61.2.221.4 07:42, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I found this http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Centralized_discussion/Lists_by_religion-ethnicity_and_profession on wikipedia. Thought people should look it up so that we don't repeat a similar discussion here on the appropriate use of lists. Though, nothing has been resolved on the issue. And though I stand by my earlier stated views, if the lists are staying, we can at least reorganize the content along the lines of Lists of Jews--TwoOars 10:31, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

The community page is not complete without listing the names of past/present/future leaders of the community. The names should be in the same page not on another page. When people come to this page, they should get all the information we can provide about the subject they want. In our case we should provide as much information as possible to velamas.

Someone should provide English translation to the vast listing of literature. Otherwise it is meaningless to English speakers as this is an English wikipedia. I also question the notability of "district" leaders. You don't see people listing town leaders in New York on Wikipedia. This page isn't meant to be someone's personal family status tree. Angry bee (talk) 22:21, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

The key words for Search Engines section

Hi, apart from endorsing the problems stated above (some parts of which seem to have been deleted), I am removing this particular section. A Wikipedia article does not need such "search engine optimization". If the terms collected appear elsewhere in the article, a spider is likely to catch them anyway. If alternately, a term there has nothing to do with the subject, it has no place in the article. Thanks. Sdsouza 20:55, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Attribution to reliable sources

I would also like to bring up the application of Wikipedia policy to the article. While I personally do not know enough to judge the veracity of the information in it, I believe that most of the content is in fact true, and attributable. For the content to remain though, it should pass the Wikipedia Attribution policy. Specifically, the project does not publish original research, and articles must be based on credible, published sources. It would be a pity if the info here is removed on the basis of this policy. Could the editors adding content consider this policy, and start adding citations that support the content? Thanks. Sdsouza 21:19, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

my impression is that a number of Velamas are adding the names of themselves, friends, their schools, etc. There are a large number of anonymous contributors, and it's unlikely they're here to learn Wikipedia policy. But of course it would be a simple matter to write a good article if they could just point out some good, unbiased references. Potatoswatter 22:24, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Thought I'd wait for responses to earlier comments here about the listing of an enormous number of, possibly non-notable, names before bringing policy to bear on the issue. As for the rest of the content on $subject, i began with AGF :). Sdsouza 22:37, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Not sure what $subject or AGF are, but I just requested semi protection. I've asked a number of the "contributors" to register in the last couple days, so we'll see what happens. Potatoswatter 23:09, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

apologies, didn't mean to be obscure. Good to see you pursuing this. Sdsouza 23:19, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

As you can see from the previous posts I was against such a big list of 'notable' persons in the article. Also I thought the article does not follow WP:NPOV. But I do not have access to good sources on the subject; Editing the whole article is too big a task. :) So I am just 'watching' the article for now.TwoOars ^{(T | C)} 05:23, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I really don't think it's too WP:BOLD to just slash the whole deal down to size. The correct way to form an encyclopedia article is to start with WP:REFerences and rewrite in WP:SUMMARY style. The incorrect way is to hand around a sign-in sheet and ask for everyone's name. If nothing happens after a couple days, I'm going to erase most everything after the historical leaders. Maybe import some paragraphs from articles referencing this one (which are precious few). Meh. Just to plant a seed for a wikipedia:good article to crystallize around. Potatoswatter 09:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Like, wikipedia:good faith is well and good, but these guys really aren't interested in being part of our community or they'd join and continue participation. Their aims are pretty obviously not in line with policy and it doesn't do justice to classify into "good faith" and "bad faith". Potatoswatter 09:20, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Clean Up

I was led to this article by Potatoswatter's message on the India Notice Board. Currently the article is highly encyclopedic (see WP:NOT) and needs to be cleaned up. Here is what I think needs to be done:

• The sections on General Background, Historic Leaders and Legendary rivalry need to be copyedited, wikified and referenced.
• The remaining sections simply need to be deleted (except References and External Links). I realize that this may sound unduly harsh since those sections, though unfit for an encyclopedia, perhaps represent the cumulative work of multiple contributors. However note that even after deletion the old information will be accessible in the article history to anyone who wants to transfer it off-wiki or to some list.

I'll wait for at least a day before making any of the proposed edits to the article. Please feel free to object to my suggestions or make counter-proposals. Kindly base your arguments on established wikipedia policies, guidelines and manual of style. Thanks. Abecedare 05:37, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I have seen some community pages have important personalities of community listed. If you feel that personality list is too big and some un-important names have added, please specify some guidelines for this page so that everyone will follow when they add names to important personality list. Some people do not follow the guidelines, those entries can be deleted.--69.115.180.198 02:11, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the input. Can you point to some pages that you referring to ? If you look at, say, the NRI page, it talks about NRIs and does not list or (as far as I can see) even mention any individual; and even that page needs to be cleaned up to come to the expected wikipedia article level. We should ideally set our standards by the fetaured articles even though most articles on wikipedia aren't that good.

That said, I can imagine mentioning a couple of names in the article under certain circumstances. I propose that a minimal level of notability for inclusion in the article should be that the individual has a non-stub page on wikipedia; and even then inclusion should not be automatic, but rather contingent upon the individual having played a role in Velama history (e.g. some very prominent, possibly historic, community leader/activist) or is known in particular for being a Velama (for example an author who has written about community issues). Regards. Abecedare 02:45, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Here are the five articles on "communities" that have achieved the Featured Article status:

• Azerbaijani people
• Iranian peoples
• Pashtun people
• British African-Caribbean community
• Tamil people

Note how comprehensive the articles are, yet they all mention only a few individuals and each time only in context. That is the standard this article should aim for. Abecedare 03:13, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Agree with Abecedare on all counts. TwoOars ^{(T | C)} 20:17, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I disagree with your notion about one will be considered important if one has non-stub page on Wikipedia. Internet is still evolving so not many people has web pages. Important personality is relative from person to person. My point is many people have put of lot of hard work in bringing this page to where it is. All these efforts will go waste if this information is deleted from the page. Everyone who has made an entry into important personality list geniouly thought the person is important and needs to added to the list. Members of parliment, Members of legislative assemblies, Mayors of major cities, corporation chairpersons, chairpesons of district administrations, cabinet ministers in union and state cabinets etc are all important persons of community. Please correct me if these people do not come under important person list.

Important persons should be also part of community's encyclopedia. Encyclopedia is always evolving and this page should reflect changes. Encyclopedia should reflect past and present of the community.

About clean up of page, my opinion is that clean up should be limited to fixing spelling, grammitical and formatting errors. When people visit the page, page is presented in the best way it can be.

Many people are not aware of this discussion or clean up. Please let everyone who is coming to velama page are aware of this discussion so that they can present their ideas and then we all can come to a common understanding of important personality list and cleaning up of this page.

My goal is that our efforts do not go wasted and with our combined effort, we can come out with best velama page on Wikidia it can be.--69.115.180.198 23:54, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

The reason I have not rushed the edits is to give a chance for any objections that are based on wikipedia guidelines, to be voiced. In the past two days, not a single such objection has been presented. See WP:NOT#DIR, which is a fundamental and official policy on wikipedia, for an explanation why the page should not have general list of persons belonging to the community. Also, I would recommend that you create an account on wikipedia so that it is easier for you to participate here and for others to communicate with you. Abecedare 00:58, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

The reason I think why you did not get any objection/suggestion from readers because they are not aware of this discussion. If there is way you can post on the velama page about the discussion, many more might participate in this discussion. After you disabled editing without logon, I am not seeing any activity on page. I am sure this does not help this page. The more participation better. From my experience, most information provided on this page is accurate to the best of my knowledge. We need to get more people participate/feedback from readers, before we start deleting content from this page. --Vgreat 02:14, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for joining in in the discussion. More construction participation is always welcome, but from the article history it is apparent that most (though possibly not all) IP editors were adding content that is irrelevant to wikipedia without discussion (labeled vandalism on wikipedia, and hence the page needed to be protected from anonymous edits. By the way, I am not an administrator on wikipedia and did not play a role in that decision, which I neveretheless believe to be correct.

Secondly I am not disputing the accuracy of the information on the page, however not all information that is true belongs on wikipedia (again see WP:NOT). There is no mechanism to place a message on the article itself informing readers of the discussion here, except for the templates already present. I'll go ahead and initiate the edits I proposed and hopefully editors who object will then respond here; I'll mention this discussion in the edit summary to direct interested editors here. Note that the aim is to discuss the changes and any objections, not to start an Edit war. I look forward to your help in improving this article. Regards. Abecedare 03:25, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Clean Up II

I have removed the unencyclopedic content as proposed earlier. The next step is to provide reliable sources for all the statements in the article so that readers can verify the facts for themselves rather than blindly trust information added by anonymous editors. In the next day or two I will add "citation needed" tags to the article at places where stated facts need to be citations. Any editors with access to published sources should add inline references to the article. We also need to 'wikify' the content as per wikipedia's manual of style. Please don't hesitate to ask for assistance if you need help with the formatting details. Hopefully we can clean up the article and get it in respectable shape soon. Abecedare 03:45, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I should say Clean Up III, but :). Have tried to clean up the language as best I can in two sections (made me appreciate the amount of effort the original editors put in to insert it all in the first place). I did try to leave in commented sections that explain why some of the sentences have been removed. Plenty of work needed yet to remove white spaces, re-organize the Leadership section, wikilink to the various place names, etc., etc. I also suspect that a lot of the citations will be found in the two documents of the Primary references section, but it will take a while to read through those and make the notations. Sdsouza 01:03, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Nice work, Sdsouza! I think the main remaining tasks for improving the page are:

1. Wikification of formatting as per wikipedia's Manual of Style.
2. Making the language encyclopedia and neutral as per WP:NPOV, WP:Weasel etc.
3. Addition of citation to reliable sources
4. Deletion of unattributable or irrelevant content.

I'll try to help in tasks 1 and 2 in the upcoming days and weeks; and add in the "citation needed" tags where appropriate. Hopefully editors with access to the references will help in adding citations ; I propose that we wait at least a few weeks before deleting any unreferenced content. Cheers. Abecedare 00:52, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Cleaned up the two major sections - if they look untidy, just do a diff :). All of the italicized content is obviously direct quotations from the reference book. I'll try and see if I can reduce the dependency on such extensive citations. Sdsouza 23:54, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Palnadu battle

Can someone provide a citation to Palnadu battle?Kumarrao 14:17, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Citations

Can someone provide citations in the article. Kumarrao (talk) 07:11, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Editing

I am editing and rearranging the article. Help and cooperation from users is solicited.Kumarrao (talk) 07:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

A separate section on Kopula Velama with historical aspects cab be created. No proof for linkage between Velama and Vellalar.Kumarrao (talk) 15:42, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't understand the listing of "district" leaders. Why are they of any importance to anyone in the English speaking world. Nobody bothers listing all the prominent people with surname Chen in China (from town mayor to CEOs) because it isn't relevant to anyone except possibly to the Chen family. Can't they be summarized by 1 number: The number of Velamas who are district leaders? Also quite unnecessary is the list of people Velama family has patronized. You don't see a list of all artists that the Rockefeller Foundation has ever patronized. Angry bee (talk) 22:29, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Cleaned up. Users are invited to add interesting information.Kumarrao (talk) 13:10, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

List of notables, POV etc

I am beginning to clean up this article. Judging by the comments above, this is not for the first time. Consequently, I will wade through the article history to find any decent, neutral items that may have been removed by POV pushers etc. With regard to the list of "notables", please will contributors note that anyone in that list must in fact be notable and that the easiest way to ascertain this is to ensure that an article exists for the person. Furthermore, their status as a Velama must be verifiable, which will require a citation. Finally, if the person is still alive then they must self-identify as being a member of the Velama community, as per WP:BLP (or, more specifically, WP:BLPCAT). Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 09:21, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

The views of User:Sitush are valid although uncomfortable. It is extremely difficult to provide citation for caste affiliation. Common parlance is the only plank to fall back upon but not acceptable. The social groups such as Kamma, Velama and Raju consolidated themselves by medieval times (11th century) although there was considerable horizontal movement among themselves. Kamma and Velama were of the same origin but bifurcated due to unknown reasons. Badabanala Bhatta prescribed surnames and Gothras for them. Hence, it can be safely said that these two groups crystallized by 12th century. One cumbersome way to provide citations is to mention surname and gothra which are group specific and which are published in a book. I do not know if Wiki accepts this formula.Kumarrao (talk) 16:58, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Brahma Nayudu

When I was reading a book about Palnati yuddam, Brahma Nayudu was decribed as a Velama. This happened during 12th century, implying that Velama as a caste existed then. Why there is no reference to this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.74.131.120 (talk) 00:22, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Firstly, we would need to know what book that was in order to comply with our policy regarding verifiability. Secondly, unless the book actually says that the Velama existed at that time it might be considered original research. But give us the book details and someone will take a look, I'm sure. - Sitush (talk) 19:18, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Many historians wrote history biased so they didn't gave enough space for velama history unlike reddy...so how can you rely on those biased stories and cook wikipedia page only 17 th century velamas Devenderkotla (talk) 17:11, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Velama/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

the main tribes are there in andhra pradesh

Substituted at 01:18, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Required status column for Telaga caste. Mark as Forward caste

Wikepedia to add this content to Telaga Caste pages and also pass this information to the user who edits this page. Also, it is mentioned as backward peasant caste under Kapu Caste category which is incorrect information. They are classified as Forward Caste.

Telaga Caste

Telaga is a Community of the Indian state of Andhra Pradesh, concentrated primarily in the Coastal Areas of Andhra. The Telagas are Agriculturists by Profession and have been Fuedal landlords. Telaga is a Branch or a Division of the Kapu, or Naidu Community of Andhra. They have the caste title Naidu, Dora. They are classified as Forward Caste or OC category.

Contents Sub Castes

Origins

Legend

Telaga Names

Sub Castes The other SubCastes or Geographical Names of Telagas are

Kapu

Balija / Balija Naidu

Munnuru Kapu

Turpu Kapu

Ontari

Naidu

Origins The Origin of the Telagas can be traced back to the Western Chalukyan Expansion into Andhra region which happened in the 6th century A.D. Telagas are the most ancient Warrior/Agricultural clans of the Deccan and South India who are specialised in warfare.

The term Telaga was a derivation of the word Telingana.Andhra was referred to as Telingana in the ancient texts as it was the area that had three major Shivinsa-Aramas, thus was called Tri-Linga', and the people living there were called Telugus and the language spoken by the people there was called Telugu.

The Telagas have served as Nayakulu (Governors),commanders and vassals of the Western Chalukya rulers under Pulakesin.These commanders were also called Telugu Nayakulu from which the community name might also might have been derived Telaga.

They formed the bulwark of Ancient armies of the Deccan and South India like Cholas,Pallavas,Chalukyas,Kakatiyas etc.They seem to have a connection with the Eastern Chalukyas.

The Vassals of Chalukyas entered into Matrimonial Alliances and ultimately established the Chalukya- Chola Dynasity. Etukuri Balaramamurthy and Colin McKenzie in fact mentione that these Telagas or Kapu communnity are the Descendants of these were these Telugu Cholas.

Telugu Cholas The Telugu Cholas rules for over Four Centuries the various regions of Andhra.

Important ruling Clans were

Velanati Choluluof Palnadu War who supported Bramha Naidu in his war against the Nalagam Raju.

Renati Cholas

Konidena Cholas

Nannuru Cholas

Nellore Chola Kings

After the fall of the Easten Chalukyan kingdoms and the Velanati Cholas. The Telagas had to serve under the Kakateeyas as Vassals and accept their Suzzienarity.Under the new rulers they were given the title Nayaka/Nayakudu and played a major role in shaping the history of modern Andhra.

After the fall of the Kakateeyas the Telagas under Kaapaya Nayaka and Prolaya Nayaka led the battle against the invading Bahamanis by combining forces with the Reddy,Velama and Balija Nayaks and liberated the Andhra Country from Tyrranny nd Destruction.

Telagas had matrimonial Alliances with the Kakateeya and Vijayanagar Rulers.Araveeti Rama Raya the son in law of Krishna Devaraya and the ruler of the last Dynasity of Viajayanagar was a Tealaga. This family was a Eastern Chalukyan Fuedataory called the Arayeti Family which became Araveeti in due cource of time.

With Vijayanagara coming into power the Telagas served under the new rulers and were Dispatched off to Protect the farflung regions of the empire to Tamil Nadu and were posted as Nayaks and took up Administration as Nayaks/Nayakers. The most famous Telaga General was Viswanatha Nayaka who started the Madurai Nayak Dynasit. -- Source Penugonda Charitra..

After the fall of the Vijayanagar Empire in the Battle of Talikota large sections of Telagas migrated towards the North and settled down in their Native Country the Godavari deltas and took to agriculture.And some of them went further South and settled down in the Tanjavur region and joined the Tanjavur Nayaks Army.

Telagas are known for their bravery and fearlessness aptly put by a famous Telrugu Saying describing the community "Teginche vade Telaga" which means "One who dares is a Telaga".Even now we can find swords,armours and weapons with some of the Telaga families in Rajamundry.All of these people are Vaishnavas and have Sri Venugopala Swami has their family deity.

Another Legendary Instance of Telaga Bravery was exhibited during the Bobbili War fought between the Velama Kingdom and the Vizianagaram kingdom led by Vijayaram raju. When all seemed lost for the Bobbilli Ranga Rayudu the Bobbili King before riding out to war in no mood to submit the honour and the Dignity of the Royal House Ordered all of his commanders to Execute their Families before riding out to meet their fate. Accordingly the Telaga and Velama Commanders and Soldiers Executed their families before proceeding out to war. Viajayaramaraju was laid to rest by a valiant Telaga Commander Miriyala Venkata Rao along with Papa Rayudu. -- Bobbili Charitra

Legend Pulakesin II’s brother, Kubja Vishnu Vardhana, founded the Eastern Chalukya Empire after he was appointed Viceroy of Vengi and gave many of his trusted generals fiefdoms to rule over as his vassals and took up reign as Telaga Nayakulu (Governors). Most of the Telagas are fuedal landlords concentrated mainly in the coastal areas of Andhra.

Telaga Names The Telagas are also called Naidu and they also have prefixes like Setty and Reddy in their names denoting their Profession

Popular Surnames

Some of the surnames are derived from the Weapons used by this warrior community Sunkara, Tupakula, Kathula

And Other Surnames are Village names and Names which came out of their Professions having suffixes like Setty and Reddy KATIKIREDDY, Putta, puppala, gundubilli, Nagam, Reddipalli, pupala, vempala, basava, battula, tellakula, masupu Yerramsetti, Ayitham, Chikkam, Chinimilli, Palacholla, Nimmakayala, Bonam, Dasari, Dodda, Doddi, Vuragayala, Chilakalapalli, Davala, Konidela, Nalanagula, Allu, Kota, Kaikala, Kambala, vejju, Adabala, Pappula, Vangaveeti, Addagarla, Sunkara, Cheruku, Kondra, Kolla, Gandham, Chodisetty, Polisetty, Pilla, Turumulla, Tirumalasetti, Majji, Mande, Mucherla, Namburu, Neelam, Padala, Kommana, Yerrabolu, Alla, Bontha, Batreddi, Konidena, Dwaram, Theegala, Thota,Tuta, Mallepudi, Koppana,Koppusetty, Ramisetty, Rangisetty, Nagisetty, Kamisetty, elisetti, mokka, Koppireddy, Kunche, Grandhi, Savaram, Surabattula, Siddireddi, Oosuri, Yadla, Vaddi, Ambati, Yenugula, muppidi, Yalavarthi, Tanneru, Gatti, Badiga, Akula, uppu, nallam, chintalapudi, villa, maddimsetty, tadi, rednam, ganji, bhimala, kotipalli, mutyala, katnam, akkireddy, vungarala, pinaka, Pinisetty, kethinidi, kasireddy, nukala, arigela, yedida, akasam, saladi, ghanta, davuluri, desamsetty, chilaka, vallamsetty, Ravada, Rudra, Singamsetty, Sanam, Nandam, Kantamsetty, Yepuri, Allu, Gurram, Yedida, yarra, sirigineedi, kunapareddi, nagireddi, mutyala, jagata, guruju, tikkisetti, adapa, addala and arava — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:48:C500:F392:D493:2FA0:802D:893B (talk) 04:25, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

status column for telaga caste; they are kshatriyas

Someone kindly take a minute to add useful and interesting content to Telaga caste, Kapu caste, balija caste pages

Use the link - http://www.kapusangam.com/history.php

Also, Telaga caste is Forward caste. Mention it in the right column — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.147.202.107 (talk) 18:49, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Velama are kshatriyas, edit made https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Social_History_of_India/Be3PCvzf-BYC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=velama — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.90.106.214 (talk) 01:40, 26 December 2022 (UTC)