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Discussions:

RM, Usher (musician) → Usher, Not moved, 18 February 2022, Talk:Usher (musician)/Archive 2#Requested move 18 February 2022

Older discussions:

RM, Usher (entertainer) → Usher, Not moved, 1 June 2010, Talk:Usher (musician)/Archive 1#Move?
RM, Usher (entertainer) → Usher Raymond, Not moved, 3 March 2013, Talk:Usher (musician)/Archive 2#Requested move 2
RM, Usher (entertainer) → Usher, Not moved, 12 March 2013, Talk:Usher (musician)/Archive 2#Requested move 3
RM, Usher (entertainer) → Usher Raymond, Not moved, 25 May 2013, Talk:Usher (musician)/Archive 2#Requested move 4
RM, Usher (entertainer) → Usher Raymond, No consensus, 25 August 2013, Talk:Usher (musician)/Archive 2#Requested move 5
RM, Usher (entertainer) → Usher (singer), Moved, 12 April 2015, Talk:Usher (musician)/Archive 2#Requested move 12 April 2015
RM, Usher (singer) → Usher (musician), Not moved, 21 March 2016, Talk:Usher (musician)/Archive 2#Requested move 21 March 2016
RM, Usher (singer) → Usher (musician), Moved, 5 May 2017, Talk:Usher (musician)/Archive 2#Requested move 5 May 2017
RM, Usher (musician) → Usher (singer), No consensus (under review), 9 July 2017, Talk:Usher (musician)/Archive 2#Requested move 9 July 2017

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Article size probably too large

Greetings, all. There are approximately twenty-two thousand five hundred words in the text. Which, most probably, makes this a biographical article with too many details. I mean, of what use would be information such as "The album All About U was pushed back and retooled after select tracks were later leaked to the radio and Internet. After having revised and renamed to 8701, the album was released on August 7, 2001"? To provide some context, the article on another artist, Beethoven, contains only some twelve thousand seven hundred words. We should apply a serious trim to the fluff. -The Gnome (talk) 16:40, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am sure many readers wish that there was more information written about Beethoven during his lifetime.71.230.16.111 (talk) 23:30, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@AlHazen: As mentioned by this user, I think this article should receive a serious trim to the fluff, and that's exactly what @Instantwatym: was doing DollysOnMyMind (talk) 10:33, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sales data in lead is not accurate

The third paragraph of the lead states the following "Usher has sold 33 million albums, 38.2 million digital songs in the United States. Internationally, he has sold 80 million records worldwide, making him one of the best-selling music artists of all time." This is not accurate. I previously fixed this information in an edit on Feb 10th but it was reverted.

Here is the link for the RIAA for digital singles tally in the US. It clearly states that Usher has certified 81.5 million digital singles in the United States, unlike 38.2 million currently listed in the lead currently per a recent revert. Than the lead goes onto to say that he has sold 80 million records worldwide (which includes all regions/markets). How can his worldwide records sales be less than his unit sales in the United States alone?

His digital singles sales in the US are 81.5 million per RIAA and per the certifications listed in this Wikipedia article: List of best-selling music artists he has certified 23.7 million units in markets outside the United States. It should either be listed this way or it should state that he sold 105 million records worldwide. Instantwatym (talk) 17:53, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Main Image

Is there a better main image for Usher to use on top? The current one doesn't have both eyes facing the same way. Is that just his face?

- Ambndms (talk) 19:38, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"this was the Fall of the House of Usher." is vandalism

@98selitb appears to be making a joke by referencing an unrelated show here 75.8.100.149 (talk) 09:03, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Public Image & Impact

I think the section Public Image completely violates WP: PUFFERY & WP:NPOV with its unencyclopedic content about Usher having "the sexiest abs". The impact section also has some problems, being redundant, it seems like it needs a serious trim to the fluff as well DollysOnMyMind (talk) 09:46, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]