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Rumsfeld quote

"... it is the latter category that tend [instead of 'tends'] to be the difficult ones." Source: C-SPAN video.

And by the way: Logically Rumsfeld's formally correct argument is a ignoratio elenchi (fallacy of irrelevant conclusion). Just in case it may be of interest. -- 14:35, 29 August 2024 2003:e2:7716:8200:b08c:6b9f:be6c:5373

Regarding the Persian poem formerly in the article ...

The author of the translation used has written a blog entry on this topic. For better or worse, it is now part of the history of this article. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 22:57, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Derision

I came to this article looking for who it was who had derided this perfectly clear and meaningful expression, expecting to find a list of organs that had done so. I was surprised to find just a single mention of the Foot in Mouth award (and I have added a citation from that article). I've been looking, and I can't find any other examples. What I have found is articles like this one, which states that he was "universally derided", but not (so far) an example of such derision.

I realise that much of the derision is unreliable gunk on social media, but I would have thought that at least some of the tabloids would have jumped on the bandwagon. (If the Daily Mail did so, for example, even though that is not normally a reliable source, it would surely be a reliable source about itself.)

Can anybody find any other examples, or (even better) a reliable secondary source discussing such derision? ColinFine (talk) 16:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There was a television show (either TV's Bloopers & Practical Jokes or probably patterned after it) that ran ca. 2005, and as far as I remember it now, everything else on the show was either somebody messing up or somebody attempting to be hunmorous -- Donald Rumsfeld's explanation of the un/knowns was the only straight non-blooper non-intentional-joke thing which was included... AnonMoos (talk) 11:35, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]