Talk:University Village (Manhattan)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by TheNuggeteer talk 23:15, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

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University Village

• ... that University Village was designed with three 30-story towers because the architects believed that smaller buildings would be even more out of place? Source: Fowler, Glenn (February 20, 1966). "Controversial 30-Story Towers Nearing Completion in 'Village'; 30-Story Towers for the 'Village'". The New York Times.
  • ALT1: ... that the construction of building foundations at University Village was likened to a military campaign? Source: Postal, Matthew A. (November 18, 2008). University Village (PDF) (Report). New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission. p. 9.
  • ALT2: ... that University Village has been described both as a "much-loathed superblock" and one of Manhattan's "most refined examples of modern design"? Source: Anderson, Lincoln (March 16, 2004). "Superblock, and supermarket, proposed as historic landmarks". amNewYork., Dunlap, David W. (December 17, 2005). "James Ingo Freed, 75, Dies; Designed Holocaust Museum". The New York Times.
  • ALT3: ... that a Picasso sculpture at University Village was called "half as high and twice as sexy as the Great Sphinx of Egypt"? Source: "Monuments: Sylvette at N.Y.U." TIME.com. November 24, 1967.
  • ALT4: ... that University Village has Picasso's second outdoor sculpture in the Western Hemisphere? Source: Margold, Jane (November 16, 1967). "60-Ton Picasso Sculpture Due for City". Newsday. p. 3A.
  • ALT5: ... that a Picasso sculpture was installed at University Village after it was rejected by the developer of another building designed by the same architect? Source: Postal, Matthew A. (November 18, 2008). University Village (PDF) (Report). New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission. p. 11.
  • Reviewed: Yellow River Delta National Nature Reserve (2nd of 2 QPQs)
  • Comment: The article previously appeared on the Main Page in 2009. DYK renominations are now allowed after five years per WP:DYKNEW.

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 677 past nominations.

Epicgenius (talk) 22:29, 26 September 2024 (UTC).

• Good image which is free and clear at this size. High Earwig is related to the long titles. I like ALT3 and find it interesting and it is cited in the article - a promotor may enjoy a different hook. This previously appeared on DYK 15 years ago (I cannot locate the record), but it is eligible now as a 5x expansion. Beginning on 9-26 the article went from 6620 characters to 46961 characters 9-27. It is long enough, neutral and cited with quality sources. Bruxton (talk) 17:41, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

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Nominator: Epicgenius (talk · contribs) 14:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Matthew Yeager (talk · contribs) 21:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Next up! Matthew Yeager (talk) 21:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Overall

Excellent writing to juggle several buildings and timelines within a block of land. Great sense of detail while treating the set of topics as a single subject. Execution in structure and prose are well above Great Article criteria.

A few interesting questions on references, and then a housekeeping on url-access. Cheers Matthew Yeager (talk) 03:44, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Sections

• Y Lead - Thoughtful use of subject matter wikilinks to guide readers easily digest the content.
• Y Planning and construction - logical, sequential flow with easy to follow prose.
• Y Usage - I understand this to be Land usage and redevelopment now that I've read through it. Great use of subsection names. I was thinking more thematically like "NYU 2031" but you have a talent for using simple words to plainly describe sections, like "Redevelopment of the block".
• Y Description - Too bad the map doesn't want to display Wooster Street. Tough to determine where might be best for the map.
• Y Reception

Source Review

• I cannot access any of the 35 ProQuest sources
• Y Landmarks Preservation Commission 2008, p. 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 14-15, 15, 15-16, 16, 17, 18, 34.
• Y "Buildings in the News" (PDF). Architectural Record. Vol. 141, no. 7. June 1967. p. 54.
• Y Architectural Forum 1966 p. 22, 26, 24, 28.
• Y Architectural Forum 1967 p. 28, 83.
• Y Wiseman, Carter (2001). I.M. Pei A Profile in American Architecture p. 63
• Y Stern, Mellins & Fishman 1995, p. 225, 225-226, 226, 226-227, 227, 234, 236

Reference Questions

• Info box uses citation p. 18 for Designated November 18, 2008 and Reference no. 2300. This information looks to only be available on p. 1 or on the last page unnumbered (pg 34 within the pdf). Do you want to move the reference over to p. 1?
  • Yes, that was supposed to be page 1. Sorry about that. Epicgenius (talk) 14:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• I'm looking at a sentence with citation to understand what you may be getting from using reference [2] that you don't already get from [199], or by using p. 9 directly (available as <ref name="NYCL p. 9" />). Please share your thoughts. Excerpts below:

Sentence from article: Tishman Realty & Construction was the general.[2][199]

[2] p. 18 "[note]35 Tishman was the contractor for all three buildings though it did not sign the $6.7 million contract with the New York State Dormitory Authority to erect the NYU apartments until December 1964. See “Housing Contract Let For State University,” New York Times, December 16, 1964, 74."

Note from p. 9 "Construction started in late August 1964. The Tishman Construction Company served as contractor and Farkas & Barron was the engineer.[note]35"

[199] "general contractor: Tishman Construction Company."

Whoops, I might have been missing a word there (it was supposed to say "general contractor"). Thanks for pointing it out. I have swapped out ref [2] with p. 9 of the NYCL reference. Hopefully this clarifies things. Epicgenius (talk) 14:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

• Article references the year 1914 while the source is less specific in mentioning 1915. Do you have other references or prefer to change the text?

Article: and NYU leased the Brown Building in 1914.[3]

Source: The university began to plan its return to Greenwich Village in 1915. With the Bronx campus only partially executed, the school leased space in the structure where the tragic “Triangle Shirtwaist” fire had recently occurred

I have changed the text to "the 1910s". I'm not sure where the 1914 figure came from, but other sources mention a date of 1916, which makes this even more confusing. Epicgenius (talk) 14:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

• Help me understand how these sections pull from p. 9. Article sentence On each of the upper floors, each rectangular bay contains a pair of windows above a narrow aluminum grille.[90][185] There are cast-concrete window sills beneath each window.[90]

[90] - Landmarks Preservation Commission 2008, p. 9.

[185] - Landmarks Preservation Commission 2008, p. 15.

The first sentence is cited to page 15 of the report (Each bay consists of two sections: the upper one incorporates a pair of sliding aluminum windows, and the smaller lower section, a ventilation grille.). However, the second sentence is not backed up by the report (or by any of the other sources), and I'm honestly unsure how it crept into the article. I've removed it now. Epicgenius (talk) 14:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

• For the following sentence, do you want to use p. 69 instead or cite them both in the reference?

Article: Bust of Sylvette was originally intended for Kips Bay Towers, which Pei had also designed; however, Kips Bay Towers' developer William Zeckendorf had rejected the piece.[193]

Source: p. 63 Pei had hoped to embellish the open space by adding a large sculpture, and he had a thirty-foot-high Picasso piece in mind. He presented the idea to Zeckendorf, who was sympathetic but firm. ... (Pei did not give up on the sculpture, which was later purchased for his residential towers at New York University.)

Source: p. 69 Picasso's Bust of Sylvette, shown peeking from the shadows of Pei's University Plaza apartment complex in New York, is the same sculpture the architect had failed to persuade Zeckendorf to install at Kips Bay.

Good point, I have added both page ranges. Epicgenius (talk) 14:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

• Ref 16 Higgins Quasebarth & Partners, LLC (June 2008). "University Village" (PDF). Archived (PDF) from the original on March 3, 2016. Retrieved July 2, 2009. seems to be dead. The archived link 404s. I was able to find this way back date, which looks like it might load but never does. I didn't find a replace host online. :(
  • Thanks for the link and the ones below. I have replaced it - however, the archive link didn't load for me either. I'll try to see if it loads later. Epicgenius (talk) 14:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

• Ref 183 - Dead link (pls update |url-status=dead) and archive link 404s. I found an older archive link working.
  • I have replaced this as well. Epicgenius (talk) 14:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Ref 187 - Dead link (pls update |url-status=dead) and archive link 301 errors. I found an older archive link working.
  • I have replaced this as well. Epicgenius (talk) 14:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

URL Access

• Ref 101 - "Landlord concerns over federal pot ban ease as another recreational shop opens in the city" Crain's New York Business. - |url-access=subscription
• Ref 150 - "NYU says fourth tower's best for landmarked site". Crain's New York Business. - |url-access=subscription
• Ref 177 - "City exercises last-minute building option near NYU, putting out a supermarket". Crain's New York Business. - |url-access=subscription

• Ref 129 - "The Next Trends in New York Real Estate – New York Magazine". New York Magazine. - |url-access=limited
• Ref 130 - "NYU Says It Wants to Be a Good Neighbor – New York Magazine". New York Magazine. - |url-access=limited

• Ref 137 - "NYU's Silver Towers: Potential Landmark". Gothamist. - |url-access=registration

• Ref 153 - "NYUs Updated Expansion Plan Revealed". ENR. - |url-access=limited
• Ref 156 - "City Council Approves NYU Expansion Plan". ENR. - |url-access=limited

• Ref 160 - "NYU Faces New Litigation If Expansion Begins, Foes Say". Bloomberg.com. - |url-access=subscription
• Ref 162 - "NYU Expansion Plan Opponents Win Top State Court Hearing". Bloomberg.com. - |url-access=subscription

• Ref 169 - "NYU Expansion Aims to Make School More Inclusive". The Wall Street Journal. - |url-access=subscription
• Ref 196 - "Nature Runs Wild in Greenwich Village; Park represents what New York City might look like if it hadn't become a city". The Wall Street Journal. - |url-access=subscription

• Ref 173 - "A Modulated Glass Facade Brings Together Wide-Ranging Uses at NYU". Architectural Record - |url-access=limited

• Ref 179 - "Greenwich Village Morton Williams supermarket spared after NYU, city reach deal". New York Daily News. - |url-access=registration
  • I have added url-access parameters to all of these. The NY Daily News website is marked as "limited", as it doesn't allow visitors to view any more articles after a certain point unless they're subscribed. For the rest, I have modified them as you outlined above. Epicgenius (talk) 14:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

The New York Times.

81 articles -- 16 limited, 65 subscription

|url-access=limited

• Ref 131 - "With Doors Open to Neighbors, N.Y.U. Shapes Plan for Growth". The New York Times.
• Ref 142 - "N.Y.U. Plans an Expansion of 40 Percent". The New York Times.
• Ref 145 - "N.Y.U. Shows Plan For Tower". The New York Times.
• Ref 149 - "Park Lovers Fight N.Y.U.-Greenwich Village Journal". The New York Times.
• Ref 151 - "N.Y.U. Scraps Plan for Tower in Greenwich Village". The New York Times.
• Ref 154 - "N.Y.U. to Scale Back Expansion Plans in Village". The New York Times.
• Ref 156 - "N.Y.U. Expansion Plan Wins Final City Council Approval". The New York Times.
• Ref 157 - "New York City Sued Over Approval of N.Y.U. Expansion Plan". The New York Times.
• Ref 160 - "Judge Blocks Part of N.Y.U.'s Plan for Four Towers in Greenwich Village". The New York Times.
• Ref 161 - "N.Y.U. Project Is Stymied by Incidental Village Parks". The New York Times.
• Ref 163 - "Court Gives Go-Ahead to Expansion by N.Y.U." The New York Times.
• Ref 182 - "Critic's Notebook; Let the Design Sprint Begin". The New York Times.
• Ref 202 - "What a Street! (But Do You Ever Remember Being There?)". The New York Times.
• Ref 214 - "James Ingo Freed, 75, Dies; Designed Holocaust Museum". The New York Times.
• Ref 215 - "On View: Picassos by the Score". The New York Times.
• Ref 221 - "A Preservationist's List of 35 Modern Landmarks-in-Waiting". The New York Times.

|url-access=subscription

• the other 65 articles published by The New York Times require subscription
  • I have done these too. Epicgenius (talk) 14:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Other

• private developers were willing to pay more than $10,50 per square foot. >> $10.50. Please update currency formatting with a period instead of comma.
  • Fixed. Epicgenius (talk) 14:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Copyright Violations

Y Reviewed report, including a suspected 47.1% match to verify no issues. All matches are quotes, long organizational/award names, or represent no other plain way to express the information ("concrete benches at the southeast corner").

Thanks for the review Matthew Yeager. I've now addressed all of the issues you've raised above. Epicgenius (talk) 14:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Y I've validated all the implemented updates. Thank you! Matthew Yeager (talk) 15:12, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.