Talk:Tichborne case

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Archive?

I would very much like to set up archiving here as the talk page is a long pain to read. Does anyone object? Best to all, DBaK (talk) 22:21, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be all for it. Tim riley talk 07:51, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added. - SchroCat (talk) 08:43, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weight

I feel that the references to his body weight should have stones and pounds. Many BrE-using readers still think in them. I would agree that we should keep the other two conversions for metric users and non-stone users. What do you think? DBaK (talk) 22:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking as septuagenarian I entirely concur. Tim riley talk 07:51, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Definately, as it’s still the dominant form in the UK. - SchroCat (talk) 08:44, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would say usually not as people in the British Isles do understand pounds (and pounds or metric are used for the weight of just about anything other than humans) and that is about the only place in the anglophone world that still uses stones. However I note the sources McWilliam and Annear use stone so for instance 16 stone for his weight when he left Sydney (from what I can see in an abbreviated google book search of McWilliam). When using sources using stone, stone should probably be used as it gives a better indication of possible margins of error. Erp (talk) 18:27, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rereading in advance of TFA

SchroCat, In Brian's absence I've reread as you suggest. It feels jarring to argue posthumously with BB, but I doubt if he would have taken issue with these very minor quibbles – I hope not.

"The Tichborne case was a legal cause célèbre that captivated Victorian England" – two points struck me here. First, "captivated" seems slightly wrong. The OED reckons it means "to enthrall with charm or attractiveness", and I don't know that this quite applies here. Would "fascinated" do instead, do you think? Secondly, I rather think "England" should be "Britain". What say you?
"disposed of numerous nonexistent parcels of supposed Tichborne property" – I'd prefer to hyphenate "non-existent", à la OED.
"The second, Andrew Bogle, was a former slave at the Duke of Buckingham and Chandos's plantation" – His Grace's double title breaks the flow here. On rereading just now I momentarily took the first bit to be a pub name. I'd prefer to say at the Jamaican plantation of the Duke of Buckingham and Chandos. Thoughts?
Howevers: the text is a bit however-heavy but BB knew what he was doing and I think 1, 2, 3, 6 and 9 are OK, though we could perhaps lose 4, 5, 7 and 8. What do you think? (And what do others think, come to that? DBaK and anyone...?)

None of these produced results; however, in May 1865...
contrasted sharply with Roger's remembered slender build; however, Bogle quickly
however, as long as Lady Tichborne was alive
However, a former sweetheart of Orton's, Mary Ann Loder, did identify the Claimant as Orton.
The real purpose, however, was to establish the Claimant's identity
However, he failed to persuade the House of Commons
However, by 1880 interest in the case had declined
With the proceeds he opened a small tobacconist's shop in Islington; however, he quickly retracted the confession
However, McWilliam cites the monumental study.

"See also" section: not sure about the second (relevance?) and third (trivia?), and the fourth is uncited and, I think, highly debatable.

That's all from me. Over to you. Happy to discuss if wanted. Tim riley talk 14:49, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks, Tim. I’ve done these. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 17:03, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Family tree

SchroCat and anyone else interested. At BB's request I ran up a family tree as a png file back in 2012. These days we are asked to used svg for such things, and I have done the necessary and replaced the png here. Grateful for a quick once-over to check I have got it right. Tim riley talk 10:52, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good to me. - SchroCat (talk) 11:07, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ta. Tim riley talk 11:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]