Talk:The Stronghold (novel)

Setting

I have changed the century back to first century BC rather than first century - although it says first century in the Carnegie Living Archive, this is wrong. The Author's Foreword gives the setting as first century BC. This is the century which archaeologists believe saw the first brochs. I have left the Roman Empire portal, although the book is set in the Republican period, as the Roman activity in the book is proto-imperialist. Robina Fox (talk) 02:38, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

OK, that settles the fictional setting where Hunter's contemporary statement is decisive, it seems to me. Should we say something about the reality?

I haven't read this book. (Beside Carnegie Living Archive) I have read a book and some of our articles on the history of Britain. One or the other says that the Romans circumnavigated, if at all, during the Roman Britain period.

Did Hunter believe there were slave raids so far north so early? Is there a consensus one way or the other in the arch. or hist. profession?

The Roman Empire portal and Novels set in Roman Britain should be used liberally in this regard, maybe ...

... or maybe not. I see that we do have Novels set in sub-Roman Britain with a good preface (2009, by the same user who created Novels set in Roman Britain and Novels set in Anglo-Saxon England both without any substantial preface). The Lantern Bearers (Sutcliff novel) is in Roman and sub-Roman categories but only, perhaps, because it covers the withdrawal of Roman troops.

... there's a direct contradiction about the end-period at Fiction set in Roman Britain whose evidently good preface says that it includes sub-Roman although the sub-Roman category isn't there, although some Arthurian fiction pages are there ... about the beginning-period it says 43 AD (invasion)

This is difficult to explore top down because, i think, Novels set in sub-Roman Britain has escaped England/UK which does cover the earlier Roman period. It is included in the Dark Ages, thus in the Middle Ages ...

Prior to Roman Britain we have only worldwide prehistory, i think, viewing Historical novels by setting ... and Novels set in prehistory seems to mean before human history begins anywhere

to be continued, probably somewhere else, regarding the regional settings. (Orkney is clear in this case, and it's ok to put it in Britain altho it's a distinct British Isle?) -P64 (talk) 02:21, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

I see that User:GrahamHardy, the creator of some and populator of many "fiction setting categories" around here (children's literature set in British Isles), commonly uses none of the regional settings such as Northeast England or Scottish Borders for books about olden days where the location on a modern map is imprecise (such as The Lantern Bearers and other Sutcliff novels). Orkney is no problem but I will ask his opinion generally (done).

One could say that all "United Kingdom" categories are post-1300 or 1600 or some such date. Or that all "England" categories are post-600 AD.

In North America, however, we have poorly named Category:Novels set in the historical United States for all fiction set in modern U.S. territory. It includes the colonial period and Category:Novels set during the Conquest of the Americas is limited to the South.

-P64

Category prefaces

These notes and some of my observations and concerns above may better be located in my user space. But here I am for now.

At User talk: GrahamHardy#Historical fiction by setting I have invited him to visit this page. -P64

I am inclined to improve category prefaces around here.

Previously I have done several book award categories, such as Category:National Book Award for Young People's Literature winning works (U.S.) and Category:Kate Greenaway Medal winners.

Evidently I made a start around here three months ago at Category:Historical novels by setting.

I am now familiar with templates {{diffuse}} and {{parent category}}, which I haven't yet used. There is a template for links to neighbor and/or child and parent categories but I haven't used it and don't quickly find it.

That template may be {{fooian fooers}} which is dedicated to biography categories. I have in mind depicting a neighborhood of the category tree for books rather than authors, however. --P64 (talk) 18:23, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Comments solicited. --P64 (talk) 17:43, 29 November 2012 (UTC)