Talk:The Renegade (short story)

	Novels portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Novels, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to novels, novellas, novelettes and short stories on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and contribute to the general Project discussion to talk over new ideas and suggestions.NovelsWikipedia:WikiProject NovelsTemplate:WikiProject Novelsnovel articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by Short story task force.
	This article has been marked as needing an infobox.

Philosophy: Literature / Social and political / Continental Start‑class Low‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Philosophy, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of content related to philosophy on Wikipedia. If you would like to support the project, please visit the project page, where you can get more details on how you can help, and where you can join the general discussion about philosophy content on Wikipedia.PhilosophyWikipedia:WikiProject PhilosophyTemplate:WikiProject PhilosophyPhilosophy articles

Start

This article has been given a rating which conflicts with the project-independent quality rating in the banner shell. Please resolve this conflict if possible.

Low

This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Associated task forces:
/
	Philosophical literature
	Social and political philosophy
	Continental philosophy

stream of consciousness

Should it be mentioned it's in some respects stream of consciousness? 76.179.65.253 (talk) 21:08, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

oh

"The narrator's transition could be compared to Nietzsche's Apollonian and Dionysian man. Whereas the Christian ideal could be likened to the Apollonian man with Christ dying for our sins and in the name of love; the tribal Fetishism and the narrator who eventually becomes a part of it can be likened to Dionysian man, with the narrator dying in the name of Power and Hatred."

This sounds incredibly opiniated here. While I understand part of what the author of this was trying to say, there is nothing backing up the idea that Dionysian should be associated with "Power and Hatred" or even that Apollonian with Christianity. Is there a better way to incorporate this motif with better wording? Clockwrist (talk) 22:25, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above quote is extremely opinionated and incorrect. Jesus is based on Dionysus, not Apollo. In fact the opposite of what the author of the quote said is more logical. The word Dionysus means twice born- Dionysus is killed and resurrected, much like Christ. Also the spirit most associated with Dionysus is wine. I really have trouble understanding where the author got the idea that Dionysus is obsessed with power and hatred, especially when using the example of Nietzsche. Nietzsche identified himself with Dionysus and was most certainly not controlled by power and hatred- perhaps despair, but not hatred. Apollo was quite brutal in his ways, if we are to look at Greek mythology. He is cold, logical and ruthless in his dealings- he is the embodiment of order and justice. He is not driven by love or emotion, but rather by thought. Dionysus, on the other hand, is in touch with the emotional and sensual sides of humanity... even Nietzsche says, he is the more womanly of the two. For these reasons, and for the fact that it is pure opinion, I suggest we delete the above interpretation from the article. Zagreas (talk) 06:20, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]