Talk:The Hunger (Alexander McQueen collection)

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The result was: promoted by Lightburst talk 17:40, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that British designer Alexander McQueen evoked the hunger of vampires in his collection The Hunger? Source: O'Neill, Alistair. "The Shining and Chic" in Wilcox, Claire, ed. (2015). Alexander McQueen. New York City. p 273.
  • ALT1: ... that British designer Alexander McQueen pressed live worms into a translucent corset to evoke vampirism and undeath for his collection The Hunger? Source: Gods and Kings p 155,
    Spooner, Catherine. "A Gothic Mind" in Wilcox, Claire, ed. (2015). Alexander McQueen. New York City. p 151.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Wiccan Web
  • Comment: Frankly, I don't really love either of these hooks, so I'm happy to accept suggestions - but please try to keep the vampires for the Halloween theme.

Created by Premeditated Chaos (talk). Self-nominated at 05:35, 23 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/The Hunger (Alexander McQueen collection); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• New enough and long enough, with no DYK ruleouts. A QPQ has definitely been done :) I think ALT1 is a workable hook, and don't see anything obviously stronger, so I'm fine to approve it. Vaticidalprophet 13:14, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Vaticidalprophet and Premeditated Chaos: I sort of liked ALT0 but will promote the approved as verified. Lightburst (talk) 17:39, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: I clicked the 'help me choose' button and this is what it generated - strange, huh? (talk · contribs) 14:39, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

I am hungry for this Good Article review. Calling dibs/I will review this within the week. I clicked the 'help me choose' button and this is what it generated - strange, huh? (talk) 14:39, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

• In the first section there is a dedicated sentence to John Galliano, but Galliano is not mentioned again until a later quote of a review. Was this collection by McQueen also trying to best Galliano? If so, it is not clearly stated anywhere in the article; such, I do not find the sentence about Galliano of particular relevance here, especially because the Background section of an article serves as important context necessary for the reader of the article. One might assume that Galliano is vital to understanding this article when in reality this be not the case.
  • Arguably it contextualizes the mention of Galliano later. For a reviewer to say McQueen was "stepping into his shoes" suggests at the very least that McQueen is perceived as his equal. Without the background, the reader won't understand the significance. I could expand on it slightly in the legacy if you feel that would be better.
    • If it is relevant then yes, I feel like that would be helpful to readers!
• who became his mentor and his muse, could easily be who became his mentor and muse.
  • It could, but I like it better the other way
• McQueen's reputation for shocking runway shows began early. The sexualised, I suggest McQueen's reputation for shocking runway shows began early; the sexualised so as to trim the quantity of split sentences.
  • Done
• Despite the financial backing, money was still tight., to Despite the financial backing, fiscal constraints persisted.
  • Changed, different wording though
• strategically bared skin, to strategically-bared skin.
  • Done
• Prior to the show, he stated, to Prior to the show, McQueen stated or He told his friend and collaborator Sebastian Pons to McQueen told his friend and collaborator Sebastian Pons.
  • I think it's still fairly clear that we're talking about McQueen's intentions here
    • I found minor issue with the repetition of he/him 4 times successively. Do you feel indifferent?
      • Given the choice to repeat a short pronoun or a proper noun, I prefer to repeat the pronoun. Pronouns read to me like near-invisible connecting tissue, whereas repeating "McQueen" several times feels like belaboring a point.
• mother's dog's fur, I suggest the fur of his mother's dog.
  • Tweaked, again slightly differently
• Sexuality was front and centre, charged Sexuality was a vocal point.
  • No, I don't think that's better
    • I find that "front and center" is perceived as slightly more colloquial in comparison to "vocal point". In addition, it is idiomatic, which is usually not preferred in formal writing. Do you disagree?
      • Oxford English Dictionary doesn't mark "front and centre" as idiomatic, and "vocal point" is less clear in my opinion.
• Some elements pointed back at his graduation collection, Jack the Ripper Stalks His Victims (1992) rm link as already linked in the above article. Alternatively collection name can be rmed all together and thus inferred via context.
  • Duplicate links are acceptable as long as they are in different sections and relevant both times
• Rm the second link for Highland Rape for ibid, first sentence fourth paragraph of Runway show.
  • Duplicate links are acceptable as long as they are in different sections and relevant both times
    • I was unaware of this policy. Do you mind linking me to it so I may use it for future reference?
      • WP:DUPELINK, first para where it says it may be repeated
• The soundtrack quote is nice, but it made me wonder is there another source anywhere describing the genre of the soundtrack that can be listed alongside this?
  • No; I would have used it
• The existence of the somewhat bizarre and unsourced footnote for the Mohican haircut can perhaps be avoided by rephrasing to Mohican (mohawk) haircuts. This style of formatting is employed in other WP entries, including I believe Good Articles.
  • It's not bizarre to clarify for North Americans that the haircut is called something different; as a Canadian I had no idea what the hell a Mohican haircut was. I prefer the footnote. I've added the Oxford English Dictionary as a reference however.
    • That clears my concern.
• I suggest catlike to cat-like if you're using gb-en.
  • Done
• Female genitalia need not be linked.
  • Why not?
    • We do not link common terms. We would not link vagina, but linking vulva sounds more reasonable. Every reader should know what female genitalia is, so linking it is unnecessary and probably pointless.
      • Swapped to vulva - the references were more specific than I remembered.
• The quote excerpt from Amy Spinder is muddled for me. What is the pack a metaphor for?
  • Well, the rest of the paragraph up until that point is discussing the rest of the shows at London Fashion Week; Spinder is continuing that theme. McQueen is one of only two designers she thought were any good, everyone else is just part of "the pack". I've expanded slightly.
• Unlink the mention of Mohican haircuts in the first sentence fourth paragraph of Reception.
  • Dupelinks acceptable, etc etc
• The violent, sexualized, to The violent, sexualised.
  • Fixed

Spot-check

I will conduct a spot-check. I clicked the 'help me choose' button and this is what it generated - strange, huh? (talk) 20:35, 8 March 2024 (UTC) Passes spot-review with flying wiki text. The initial review is concluded, @Premeditated Chaos:. I clicked the 'help me choose' button and this is what it generated - strange, huh? (talk) 01:09, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

• Sorry for the delay in responding. I've made some changes but others I don't agree with and have left commentary. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 00:15, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

That is alright. I had a power outage and could only reply now. I clicked the 'help me choose' button and this is what it generated - strange, huh? (talk) 14:09, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

I have left my replies. The comments I have not responded too are because I agree with them. @Premeditated Chaos: I clicked the 'help me choose' button and this is what it generated - strange, huh? (talk) 14:20, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

No problem. Glad to hear your power is back on and you're doing okay. I've responded to a few of your replies above. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 18:59, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Okay, this is great. I shall pass. Nice work! I clicked the 'help me choose' button and this is what it generated - strange, huh? (talk) 01:44, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.