Talk:Remote work/Archives/2012

Merge E-Work, Telework, and Telecommuting

E-Work, Telework, and Telecommuting must be merged together. While the articles claim certain subtle differences, this is a natural result of the evolution of the notion, which is basically the same. mikka (t) 17:20, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Yes, but merge to which article? Telecommuting seems to be the richest. --Alvin-cs | Talk 22:00, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

"Telecommuting" may be the richest existing article, but the term is less accurate than "Telework." "Telecommuting" is a term that comes out of reference to the current work paradigm, that of traveling through physical space to a workplace. Since work is done increasingly in virtual space, we should not rely on the previous paradigm's language to form terms for the new one. I suggest switching the title of this article to "Telework." Availableusername (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 17:22, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

With broad band Internet connections and VOIP communication being possible in the back seat of a cab, on a distant ocean beach, or in our home, we should watch for a better more comprehensive term to emerge; one that communicates instantly the concept of working anywhere.--Sponsion (talk) 11:19, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Query

How many Americans telecommute today? It be nice if the article quoted some statistics. JeffBurdges 14:56, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Productivity

The article mentions productivity several times. Where is the doumentation on that? Google telecommuting productivity and compare the argumentation in several of the references, starting from the top, and draw your own conclusions.Westfalr3 05:10, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Merge Telecommuter

Hi, just noticed that Telecommuter is a similar page. Could someone remove it and link it to Telecommuting page? --62.78.252.62 07:51, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Advantage/Disadvantage

It does not show any Advantages and Disadvantages of telecommuting!?!?!?!? 195.194.84.25 (talk · contribs · logs) 09:51, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Merge with Nomad workers

Nomad Workers are just a variant of teleworkers. They just happen to move around and travel while using telecommunications to do their job from wherever they happen to be. -- Whpq 18:57, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

The Nomad Workers article looks like a candidate for deletion to me, rather than merging, but I guess it amounts to the same thing. Seems to me this is already covered under 'Distributed work' in this article--Michig 19:26, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

You are quite possibly right. For me, there doesn't look like a lot of material that could be merged, but I wanted alternate opinions. -- Whpq 20:07, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

More merging?

Financial Times UK (September 8, 1993) Survey of Software at Work - Autumn 1993 (5): Teleworking buzzwords lists many Telecommuting buzzwords. Please look over the articles in Category:Telecommuting to see whether any should be merged into this article. Thanks. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 17:23, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Telecommuting Options

Add a reference to IvanAnywhere - a telecommuting robot - to Current Trends or Technology. A programmer is using a remote-controlled robot with webcam, mirophone, speakers and a screen to telecommute to work 800 miles away from home.

Inko9nito 23:16, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Worldwide view

I placed the globalize template on the article. It is based too much on the Americans and does not represent a neutral, worldwide view. --Jay(Talk) 18:40, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

50 Million?

I just had a look at some BLS numbers and even by the most generous estimate I can only conceive of MAYBE half that number. I mean, waiters? Shop clerks? Nurses? Teachers? The most common job in America is "retail salesperson" (1/17 jobs). Followed by cashiers, office clerks, food prep/fast food, registered nurses, waiters and waitresses, customer service representatives, laborers, janitors, stock clerks, secretaries, bookkeepers/accountants, general operations managers, truck drivers, and elementary school teachers. How many of those occupations can you envision being done from home? To be fair, I'm sure the nation's 2.1 million "freight, stock, and material movers, hand" -- yes, in 2010 America there are still 6 times as many stevedores and shelf stockers as computer programmers -- would LOVE to telecommute, but their bosses may not agree. BTW, not being totally snarky here, yes the above is clearly OR and yes I did check the source but I am not an ACSE member, can someone double-check the 50 million number and see how/if it's actually explained? This is something I've always been curious about... I get the sense that "the wonders of telecommuting" is a meme propagated by people who already spend all day in front of a computer for whatever reason. (As for a worldwide view: I'm pretty sure the world's most common occupation by far is "subsistence farmer." Though many of them DO have mobile phones these days...) Stuffisthings (talk) 03:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

OK I had a look at the article and it does actually justify the 50 (actually 53) million claim. I still think the article's reasoning is somewhat bogus (if you look at the detailed occupational categories you will see that many of them are not "telecommutable"), but that's just my opinion. In any case the article is primarily interested in estimating potential energy savings, not estimating the potential extent of telecommuting, so using a best case scenario makes sense. I may still have a look to see if there is any large body of criticism along these lines but won't make any changes until I'm satisfied that such criticisms are notable and I have good sources. (Thanks Kuru) Stuffisthings (talk) 13:40, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Some Sources

I really ought to be working on my dissertation today, but for anyone with academic journal access the following sources could provide some good insights on this subject and get the article away from its current over-reliance on one or two industry-sponsored research groups. I encourage other editors to have a look at the following and try to incorporate it into the article, replacing industry sources where possible.

Here are some very good, recent, SCHOLARLY articles on the subject:

http://ssc.sagepub.com/content/25/1/27 articulates the different definitions of telecommuting/telework/etc. in a more rigorous way.

Haddon, L and Brynin, M (2010) 'The character of telework and the characteristics of teleworkers.' New Technology Work and Employment 20:1, p. 34-46. Abstract: 'A flexible definition of teleworking suggests that it is more widespread than is generally believed. However, is telework technologically driven? This is tested with data from six countries. As the categories of the definition have distinctive social characteristics, telework seems to reflect traditional occupational practices rather than a major technological shift.'

This is a great source as it also contains some much-needed worldwide perspectives.

Messer, R (2010) 'Going nowhere -- but fast! E-Employment, the next Internet revolution.' Business Information Review 27:2, pp. 101-103.

W/r/t to number of telecommuters:

Mokhtarian, P et al (2005) 'Measuring the Measureable: Why Can't We Agree on the Number of Telecommuters in the US?' http://www.springerlink.com/content/t36lp21555t8mj51/

Also, many studies attempting to model the number of telecommuters in the future (e.g. for transportation planning) develop estimates of "potential" telecommuters which are much more sophisticated than the one cited here.

Environmental impact:

Choo, S et al (2005) 'Does telecommuting reduce vehicle miles traveled? An aggregate time series analysis for the US.' http://www.springerlink.com/content/p857687012u875r2/

Sampath, S 'The Effectiveness of Telecommuting as a Transport Control Measure.' http://www.uctc.net/research/papers/078.pdf

There are quite a few more along these lines but I am not as familiar with the relevant journals/databases.

Hope this helps. Stuffisthings (talk) 14:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

too many alternative names

it seems quite silly to list that many alternative names at the top. "Telecommuting" is the only one I've heard anyway. I'd delete some of them myself, but that sort of thing is usually undone. Also, "working at home" and "working from home" don't necessarily require telecommuting - if you run your own business and you're doing it at home, that's not "telecommuting" because you didn't have anywhere else to go anyway. Telecommuting is meant to be a way of avoiding the physical trip to your office. Owen214 (talk) 02:53, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

list of legitimate work at home companies

Can we perhaps start a list of some legitimate work from home companies. The article says most are scams, so what about the legitimate ones. Well I'll start the list off by submitting the one and only company I know of, liveops.com . anyone else? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.160.131.17 (talk) 05:42, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

This really doesn't seem like it's within the bounds of what Wikipedia does (see WP:NOTOPINION). Identifying companies as legitimate or not would violate WP:NPOV. We could cite reliable sources who have identified companies as legitimate or illegitimate, but that's really best done in articles for individual companies if they have their own articles. I agree liveops is a fine company, but that's because I know some current and former employees. Our opinions about companies don't matter for the purpose of writing an article, so such a list is inherently near-impossible for Wikipedia to manage. Zachlipton (talk) 05:46, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Concur with Zachlipton. There's no need to provide a directory here; especially when the inclusion criteria is rather subjective. Kuru (talk) 16:39, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

the necessarity to make a distinction between telecommuting and telework

As we can see in the beginning of the page, there are several names and are imerged together. But according to the readings I read recently, I think that it is necessary to make a distinction between these concepts. For example, telecommuting is a smaller concept, be included in the concept of telework, which invovles both activities of working at home through online technology without commuting between home and office, and activities of working at office communicating with co-workers or international clients through online technology. Xz98 (talk) 19:56, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

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No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:55, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Telecommuting → Telework – The concep of telework is much larger than telecommuting. Thus, I think it is inappropriate to use telecommuniting as the title of this page. Telecommuting is a form of teleworking. In fact, telework also occurs when you have commuted to your principal office and used online communication technologies to do your work with other workers.Xz98 (talk) 21:39, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

So write an article on telework, a term I've never heard before. Powers ^T 12:40, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

• oppose per PowersT 70.49.124.162 (talk) 00:32, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME: no indication of common use in WP:RELIABLESOURCES. ENeville (talk) 17:18, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

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