Talk:Outline of the British Army at the end of the Cold War

This is a duplicate entry

that is unsourced. There is already Structure of the British Armed Forces in 1989 and https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:Noclador/sandbox/Structure_of_the_British_Armed_Forces_in_1989 which are better sourced. Recommend for merging or deletion.

Sammartinlai (talk) 15:44, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

The structure of British Armed Forces article doesn't cover the army in much detail and the other article is in a sandbox, so unless it's published you can't use it. Gavbadger (talk) 17:31, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

That's fine but still this article is unsourced and questionable--do we need orbats for all years?Sammartinlai (talk) 03:19, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Furthermore, there's the Structure of the British Army which contains around the same data. Why not edit or merge that there? Sammartinlai (talk) 03:30, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Editors might like to use this draft

[Structure of the British Army in 1989] to improve this entry.

Sammartinlai (talk) 05:07, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Or, since that is a draft, use Structure of the British Armed Forces in 1989 as a guide instead. It contains a wider range of references though not many.

Sammartinlai (talk) 05:07, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Commander-in-Chief, United Kingdom Land Forces

@Sammartinlai

Kindly please desist from readding the incorrect C in C Land Forces into this document. Up until 1994, as you will see from the well documented Land Command page which I wrote many years ago ([[1]], though now at Commander Field Army), UK Land Forces and BAOR were the two principal commands of the British Army, and each had their own commander-in-chief. The succession, after 1994, went via a new Commander-in-Chief in charge of Land Command, then with the overall reduction in the force size, the four-star formation was replaced by a post, C in C Land Forces who was not quite in charge of a military formation. Check, please, the page you're linking at C in C Land Forces, which clearly lays out the historical post holder, with Gulabin for reference, was C in C UKLF at Wilton. Buckshot06 (talk) 08:54, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

I know what I'm doing; you can see my edits are factual. Besides, I help Gulabin/Colin. Sammartinlai (talk) 09:01, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm sure your edits are factual. But on this point, you are incorrect; see Commander-in-Chief, Land Forces#Commander-in-Chief, UK Land Forces, which, incidentally, uses the Gulabin source. Buckshot06 (talk) 09:10, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

I was helping out on style. Why should section titles be linked? Sammartinlai (talk) 09:18, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

You will see I have removed the section-title links, after reverting you to restore 'Commander in Chief, Land Forces', to the correct-until-1994 Commander in Chief UK Land Forces. But I have removed the section title links in accordance with your series of edits, and also moved back into the correct place the bibliography entry that you fixed. Buckshot06 (talk) 09:23, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Inventory of the AAC

Army Air Corps Inventory 1989

The inventory of the Army Air Corps in 1989 consisted of the following aircraft:

   Helicopters:[11]
       100+ Lynx AH.1/AH.7 (Conversion of last AH.1 to AH.7 underway)
       Lynx AH.9 (24x on order)
       160+ Gazelle AH.1
       30+ Scout AH.1
       4x A.109A

   Fixed wing aircraft:
       5x Islander AL.1 (2x more on order)
       21x Chipmunk T.10

Is this section needed? This is a Structure of the British Army in 1989 article, not a list of equipment back then.

Sammartinlai (talk) 09:42, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

The voluminous and seemingly accurate BAOR in 1989 document has an annex on equipment; Isby and Kamps 1985 has equipment details, but yes this is, in the strictest sense, an orbat article. I'm sort of on the fence; third opinions? Buckshot06 (talk) 10:12, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply. I find it curious equipment from a small corps like the AAC were stated as even opposed to for example, the Royal Artillery. Let me know if others reply to this. Sammartinlai (talk) 10:54, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Best guess? Because of the intersection of air force/combat aircraft enthusiasts and order-of-battle enthusiasts. Buckshot06 (talk) 16:39, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Removal of Wales District chart

Hi J-Man11; I have removed this chart. The data is not good enough to say that 160 (Wales) Brigade controlled, for example, the air defence regiment. We don't know this, or what exactly the immediate subordinate commands of Wales District were. The non-infantry units could all have been direct reports to HQ Wales. It's just not certain. So thanks for coming up with the chart, but sorry, not enough certainty of our data.. :( Buckshot06 (talk) 09:02, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

1. I thought the 104th Regiment was Air defense until Army 2020.. (Correct me if I'm wrong). Also I looked at both the structures page, the document I have, and regimental pages showing they were there.. J-Man11 (talk) 14:20, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Yes, 104 Regiment was air defence. My point is, we do not know *exactly* which units reported to 160 Bde and which units reported to HQ Wales. Until we have a clear source on that, we cannot put a chart in. Buckshot06 (talk) 22:20, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Is this Enclycopedic or Wikipedia's standard now?

"The original source, though with much modification, can be seen at http://www.microarmormayhem.com/NATO_ORDER_OF_BATTLE_mod_8.doc."

Looks like a science fiction gaming size. If it psases, I suppose this is now Wikipedia's standard?

BlueD954 (talk) 08:15, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Miscellaneous support corps

Is this section really needed? MHist01 (talk) 16:09, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Home Service Force

J-Man11 would you kindly explain why you are removing the HSF companies from the list? Buckshot06 (talk) 10:09, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Yup yeah sorry. So, last night I transferred most of Scottish District (HQ Scotland), and was planning on adding the HSF companies with it. However, lets just say my stomach turned rather quickly last night, and I wasn't able to actually add it. I was up all night with some type of bug, but I certainly will be adding them very shortly. J-Man11 (talk) 14:33, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Joint Services Intelligence Organisation

Can you J-Man11 justify please this edit, where you added the JSIO to the list of units under London District? Can you explain why you think the JSIO reported to Commander London District, as opposed to Director Intelligence Corps? Buckshot06 (talk) 08:35, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Would you also like to explain why the Channel Tunnel was mentioned in a 1989-91ish article, when it was not opened until 1994? Buckshot06 (talk) 19:32, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

You're correct, I had fixed it in my sandbox but forgot to bring over the updated explanation for 2 Inf Bde's role. J-Man11 (talk) 19:40, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

All my references show it being based (WITHIN) London District, and was looking for references to support otherwise, which I never found. J-Man11 (talk) 19:40, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Should I just blank the entire sections of all UK interior districts, then? You don't seem to have any references supporting the command chain, which is what this page *PURPORTS* to show; just that the units are based geographically within the boundaries of the districts? Buckshot06 (talk) 19:48, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

I was going to recommend you back it to before the major edit I made so that way I can re-do it.. J-Man11 (talk) 21:19, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Let me give you another suggestion: I will roll back all your edits, and you can stop editing this page. You don't have the sources to give the command chain, and you're constantly making more mistakes without fixing the ones I've already pointed out. Buckshot06 (talk) 21:32, 24 May 2021 (UTC)